Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Help Me Convince My Dh


SuperBeck

Recommended Posts

SuperBeck Apprentice

Please help me .... I'm new to the forum. I've been looking for a long time for an explanation as to why my 3 and 4 yo DDs have not been growing properly over the past year. Perhaps during my search I've become neurotic and classified them as so many different things (eg. hypothyroid and anemic, but blood tests were borderline), but I really think I'm onto something with celiac disease.

Their 1st year of life they were in the 95% for height and weight, now they have fallen off the growth charts. Both DDs go b/w diarrhea one day, then constipation for a couple (never at the same time, so I don't think they have a virus. My 3 yo often has really wide stool that is often accompanied with bleeding: She had severe gastro reflux. My 4 yo has nasty rash that comes and goes on the back of her arms, and gets huge black rings under her eyes often about 1/2 hour after eating. They both have very swollen tummies after eating, look like they are pregnant. BUT the doctors say they are underweight and their stomachs are normal. They both had bad colic at 3 weeks of age (don't know if that's related).

I've told my husband about celiac disease and I've personally gone gluten-free this week, as I've been suffering with a pale itchy rash (that he could never really see) and constant diarrhea, and poor iron absorption and transient hypothyroidism. So far I've noticed my stomach size has already gone down an inch and my diarrhea is less. I love my DH with all my heart, and he is normally the most supportive person in my life, but I think b/c I've been so desperate to get DXed with something, he now thinks the internet has brainwashed me and that I'm DXing myself and the children with the "illness of the day".

My DH thinks I'm overreacting and says that our children are not going to become "One of those kids that has to bring food, and can't have cake at B-day parties." My blood pressure shot thru the roof and I flipped out and begged him to understand the commitment we are about to make. I explained that they will not be able to have ANY gluten and he said "a little piece of pizza won't hurt them once in a while, and when we go to other people's houses we are not going to bring different food for the girls, that's just plain ridiculous." I withdrew and said that I hadn't done a good job explaining the significance of them not having ANY gluten, and he just poopooed it and I had to stop talking b/c I was really about to go off my rocker.

At my insistence, the girls are going for allergy and celiac disease blood testing this week. After the tests come back, regardless of the results I wanted to do a 30 day trial of GFto see if their bowels and stomach swelling change.

I'm so upset, I don't know what to do. With our luck, even though my girls seem to have all the classic symtoms of childhood celiac disease, their tests will probably come back negative. My aunt has celiac disease and I suspect my dad has too, but he doesn't take care of himself and will probably never get DXed.

Please help me figure out a plan to help my DH be supportive of this commitment. In my heart I am convinced that we need to go gluten-free, but he seems to be equally committed to them staying "mainstream". I'ts like he thinks that gluten-free it is a fad.

Trying to breathe ....

>|< SuperBeck


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Ursa Major Collaborator

Hi Superbeck, and welcome to this board. It sounds like you're on the right track. Unfortunately, too many doctors are completely ignorant when it comes to celiac disease. If your dad has celiac disease, and your aunt has it, and you have the symptoms, it's VERY likely that, given your symptoms, you and your girls all have celiac disease as well, as it is genetic.

If you have your girls tested, DON'T have them go gluten-free quite yet. It would be good if their blood test would be positive, it would go a long way in convincing your husband.

Celiac babies often have colic, so, that could very well be related. It is NOT normal for a toddler to have reflux, again, that is a very common symptom in celiac disease. So are their distended stomachs, alternating diarrhea and constipation, anemia, rashes and failure to grow. You're not neurotic, and their symptoms are very typical for celiac disease.

Your husband doesn't want his little girls to have anything wrong with them, of course. But he may need to look at the fact that something is obviously not right, and that being in denial is not going to help them.

Try not to bring it up until you get the blood test results back. If everything else fails, you could have them tested by Enterolab (if you're in the US that is), even though that is fairly expensive.

Girl Ninja Newbie

I agree with Ursula. Sounds like this one just needs some time. Hopefully the blood tests are conclusive and you can move forward from there. If it is Celiac, it will be easier once they've gone gluten-free. I'm sure he will only be willing one time to watch his daughters suffer for a week from that "one little slice of pizza." I can't imagine any parent being able to ignore the pain that this causes a child. I also understand him being in denial for now. Don't worry. This forum can get you through just about anything. (We even have gluten-free cake recipes) :)

Smunkeemom Enthusiast

Bringing different food to a party or to a friends house really isn't that big of a deal. My girls and I do it all the time, usually when people understand that gluten is TOXIC to us, they forgive us for not eating the take out pizza they bought.

TCA Contributor

Thankfully, my husband has been supportive, but other family members were not. After going gluten-free and seeing the difference in our kids, though, they are on the bandwagon too. If my son eats something that has even touched gluten, he gets D really bad. That's pretty good motivation to not cheat. He's 3 and if he eats anything new he'll ask "Will this make my tummy hurt" If it is celiac disease, then make sure you keep them 100% gluten-free duing the trial. I beth they'll look and feel so much better that they or their dad will ever want them to cheat. Try not to stress. I do that enough for everyone! :P

Fiddle-Faddle Community Regular

Hi, Superbeck,

Hang in there~ And breathe!

You've got a bunch of different problems going on, and you're frantically trying to solve them all instantaneously! One is the medical issues facing your girls. One is your own medical problems. One is your husband's obvious need to deny problems. And one is the way you and your husband relate on this issue.

I think you might be able to be more in control of things than you think. You're already on the right track iwth testing for celiac (and as mentioned above, going gluten-free before the test will skew the test results. :angry: )But as soon as you've got the test results, regardless of what they say, you do have choices.

If all the test-results are negative for celiac, you can choose to go completely gluten-free anyway. You can talk to your husband during a non-confrontational time (sometimes with men, writing it out works better than talking--it gives them time to process) about this. You might be able to strike some kind of compromise, such as going gluten-free for one month and then re-evaluating the situation.

The compromise I reached with my husband was that, for now, I am gluten-free, and the family is gluten-lite (gluten-free for breakfast and dinner, and I make a lot of gluten-free snacks--they are allowed to eat bread at lunch). Now, I was the one with most of the celiac-type problems (my bloodwork was inconclusive)--but our middle son's eczema and occasional tummy aches disappeared just on gluten-lite! Most peopleon this board might disagree with me (and they are more experienced at this than I), but you might see a lot of improvement with gluten-lite. And going gluten-lite might be the way to convince your husband in the long run to go gluten-free a bit later without destroying your marriage. Sometimes you have to take baby steps rather than huge leaps. And sometimes dads are even worse than moms about denial when it comes to their perfect children.

Do you like to cook? There are lots of wonderful recipes on this board. Some of the ones I've found here are so good, my kids say it's the best they've ever tasted (and I don't bother to tlel them it's gluten-free). As far as your girls' growth, if they're eating a lot of pasta and bread, those are rather non-nutritious foods anyway. If you post what kind of foods you and your family like, I bet there'l be a lot of recipe suggestions from the wonderful people on this board. If your husband is a pasta freak, people seem to agree that Tinkyada Pasta is the best (it's made from brown rice flour). Bread is tougher to find a good substitute for, but if your husband likes Chinese food, you could avoid bread for a while with ease!

Good luck. Now that you've found a likely solution, try and relax just a little. You are probably right about the gluten being a problem, but you need to stay calm (externally AND internally) and focussed on a way to implement this without making your husband feel like you are 1)a hypochondriac and 2)trying to wrestle power away from him and 3) trying to label his "perfect" children (never mind that they are your perfect children, too, and you probably know them better than he does--ya gotta see it from his point of view.).

Please keep us all posted, okay? And ask lots and lots of questions here--I have learned so much from the fantastic people here, and I swear, most of them know far more than the doctors.

taweavmo3 Enthusiast

I am so sorry your husband isn't more supportive of this.......it sounds like you are on the right track with thinking this is celiac. Especially since there is a family history of it.

I don't have much advice for you on how to get your husband to come around, but you need to stick to your guns for your children's sake. Hopefully once he sees how much they improve, he won't be able to argue with that. SO many kids have diet restrictions these days, it is really not a big deal to bring food to parties and such. The kids can have just about anything that the other kids are eating, it just takes a little more organizing and prep on the parents end to provide a gluten free version for them. And with the plethera of gluten free candy available, they certainly aren't deprived of childhood goodies in any way!

It sounds to me like your husband just doesn't want your girls to be labeled in any way, or feel different. But he really doesn't know all the details of the diet yet....hopefully he will come around once he sees how much they can actually have. And a diet change is certainly cheaper in the long run than endless doctor visits and tests, maybe that's another angle you could try with him.

Good luck to you, and keep us posted on their progress!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    2. - Jane02 replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    4. 0

      Penobscot Bay, Maine: Nurturing Gluten-Free Wellness Retreat with expert celiac dietitian, Melinda Dennis

    5. - Scott Adams replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,333
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Nicolah
    Newest Member
    Nicolah
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jane02,  I take Naturewise D 3.  It contains olive oil.   Some Vitamin D supplements, like D Drops, are made with fractionated coconut oil which can cause digestive upsets.  Fractionated coconut oil is not the same as coconut oil used for cooking.  Fractionated coconut oil has been treated for longer shelf life, so it won't go bad in the jar, and thus may be irritating to the digestive system. I avoid supplements made with soy because many people with Celiac Disease also react to soy.  Mixed tocopherols, an ingredient in Thornes Vitamin D, may be sourced from soy oil.  Kirkland's has soy on its ingredient list. I avoid things that might contain or be exposed to crustaceans, like Metagenics says on its label.  I have a crustacean/shellfish/fish allergy.  I like Life Extension Bioactive Complete B Complex.  I take additional Thiamine B 1 in the form Benfotiamine which helps the intestines heal, Life Extension MegaBenfotiamine. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D.   Low thiamine can make one feel like they are getting glutened after a meal containing lots of simple carbohydrates like white rice, or processed gluten free foods like cookies and pasta.   It's rare to have a single vitamin deficiency.  The water soluble B Complex vitamins should be supplemented together with additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) to correct subclinical deficiencies that don't show up on blood tests.  These are subclinical deficiencies within organs and tissues.  Blood is a transportation system.  The body will deplete tissues and organs in order to keep a supply of thiamine in the bloodstream going to the brain and heart.   If you're low in Vitamin D, you may well be low in other fat soluble vitamins like Vitamin A and Vitamin K. Have you seen a dietician?
    • Scott Adams
      I do not know this, but since they are labelled gluten-free, and are not really a product that could easily be contaminated when making them (there would be not flour in the air of such a facility, for example), I don't really see contamination as something to be concerned about for this type of product. 
    • trents
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.