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Enterolab Casein, Soy, Yeast Antibodies

Matilda

By Matilda
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As far as I understand, intolerances are for life. The antibodies should go down if you are not consuming the food in question and not getting trace amounts from cc or other such thing.

I just got tested a few months back so I haven't been retested.

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Matilda....I tested neg. for everything but gluten so I cant really answer your question. I was always confused about Enterolab saying all these IgA antibodies are "for life". I havent seen evidence of this anywhere. As far as I know...once a person heals and if there arent other issues to deal with like leaky gut, candida, etc...other food intolerances should go away. They arent allergies....which would be a more permanent thing. Gluten is the intolerance which would be life long....I dont know why Enterolab groups these other food intolerances into the same category....saying that they should be avoided for life in order to prevent further damage?? Since when does an egg intolerance cause the same type of damage as gluten?? I could never wrap my head around this logic. :unsure:

I believe that *while* there is still damage and *while* these intolerances are present due to leaky gut or whatever....then yes, these other food intolerances could keep the intestinal lining inflamed and prevent healing. However, after the intestinal lining is healed and a persons health is restored...I'm pretty sure the intolerances would no longer be an issue because they would no longer be leaking out of the gut and the immune system would have settled down not having all these food proteins to deal with. That was always my belief anyways.

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He has lecture notes on his site about gluten antibodies. Basically they go down, but very very slowly. And it does require very good adherence.

Hmmm... just to turn things around on you. Why would you believe that your body would forget about one protein being a foreign invader (lets say casein) before another? In another discussion (autoimmune one) we're having, someone said the body remembers these things for 30 years or more. Basically for life.

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Maybe when I've got some spare $$$ I'll test again and see. In the interest of scientificness!

Or maybe I'll just go shoe shopping or something....

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I know what I would do.....

Nancy,

I think that with a leaky gut the immune system is basically going to be *highly* reactive to all sorts of "invaders". Take away the leaky gut and eventually the immune system is going to calm down and stop fighting all these antigens simply because healing has taken place.

For example....When I was really sick I was reacting to just about every chemical there is...I had to hold my breathe when driving cuz of all the fumes from cars, I was reacting to newspaper ink, carpet fibers, etc. As I improved these things lessened and now I dont react to any of these things...I cant even smell them anymore...whereas before they would overwhelm me. I still react to perfumes and cleaning agents and those types of chemicals but my immune system has recovered somewhat and I'm not reacting to *everything* and to the degree that I once was. Its the same with foods...I can tolerate more now. I dont think its about the immune system *forgetting* necessarily....its more about recovery. My immune system has recovered somewhat and can now tolerate more foreign invaders.

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Has anyone who had positive antibodies to casein, soy or yeast from Enterolab retested to see if they go away?

Interesting question, and I'd like to know the answer myself. I never tested positive to the EnteroLab tests, but I do have two genes for gluten intolerance. I was also off dairy and gluten for so long (7 months) before doing the test, I didn't test positive. I would like to try the soy as I recently tested positive for that on a blood test. I guess I'll wait 3 months though soy free. It is expensive, but I'm one of those people who needs the concrete evidence, so it's worth it to me.

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