Water Retention

[CR5442]

Has anyone else tried adzuki and mung beans for water retention? I can't believe it. Overnight I've lost nearly 3lbs of water from eating these with white rice yesterday. I just want to know if it is a fluke or do these really solve Kidney damp/deficiency?

One for you Bea!

[YoloGx]

Has anyone else tried adzuki and mung beans for water retention? I can't believe it. Overnight I've lost nearly 3lbs of water from eating these with white rice yesterday. I just want to know if it is a fluke or do these really solve Kidney damp/deficiency?

One for you Bea!

So glad to hear that the adzuki beans are helping you Caroline. That truly is wonderful! I haven't consciously noticed the weight loss myself, however they have made me feel a lot better--plus come to think of it, I now can wear my pants I had puffed out of this last fall due to excess water weight no doubt.

I now can eat chicken again by the way, though I am going slow on it. So I consider myself pretty successful healing the gall bladder/liver crisis, though I don't want to do much to stress it even now just because, as you might understand. I tried having dandelion root again just because by the way, and it made me diarrhetic. So I think maybe I am done with the herbs for a while.

It will be interesting to see if anyone else here has tried the adzuki beans for their liver and gall bladder and/or kidneys. I actually read that the sprouted mung beans can make one more damp, so I'd watch that--i.e., have them in moderation. I read about the wonders of adzuki beans on several sites on the internet. I suggest you google it. According the the Japanese and Chinese, adzuki beans (or whatever variation of spelling) have wonderful healing properties.

Speaking of which, I am also making lacto fermented sauerkraut, home made yogurt fermented 24 hours and eating s tore bought gluten free miso--all of which seem to be helping heal my gut mightily, which then helps take some of the pressure off the liver, gall bladder, kidneys and lymphs plus helps aid my nervous system by healing the villi in the gut; i.e., by remedying the environment of the villi, they get healthier and I then seem more able to absorb nutrients better.

By the way, I am noticing as a result of all these fermented goodies that I am absorbing minerals better. I am taking D3 also which I think helps too. I've noticed a tender spot between some teeth has gone away! Plus am taking some trace mineral homeopathics as well as hypericum perforatum homeopathic for my damaged and dangling nerves.

Didn't have the trace minerals tonight (I lent them to a friend) and am having trouble sleeping. Not sure if it is cause and effect. I took my epsom salt bath as per usual--so even though I am awake my nerves aren't hurting badly, just am a little too live wire/awake. It may be that I should have worn gloves this evening when I did some life drawing using charcoal. I figured it was safe since it was hardwood charcoal; but now I think perhaps not due the possible salicylates absorbing through my skin. Sheesh! I wish I was not so sensitive.

Nevertheless, I am starting to get a handle on all this. The adzuki beans have definitely been part of this, as are the fermented foods. Food itself can be a very powerful healing agent it seems. I am thankful for the detox herbs helping me to get here. But the foods are now taking over and doing a great job.

[CR5442]

Hey Bea, well things not going to plan at all re the herb mix. They upped my ginseng and of course my body went completely crazy. Puffy and bloated, depressed, paranoid, you name it I felt it! So I've stopped the mix and they are going to try a new tack, without Oestrogens! I think I must be in early menopause when the Oestrogens and receptors in the body start to diminish so any Oestrogen you add... even Phyto-oestrogens causes a raise in blood levels and puts that and the Progesterone out of wack... For the moment I'm back to Milk Thistle and Rosemary, both of which work very well for me. So I will see what my guy says next week when I go back.... Grrrrh, I feel like I have to start all over again! And I've put on 5lbs of water/oestrogen weight so have to loose that so that I can fit in to my clothes again!

[YoloGx]

Hey Bea, well things not going to plan at all re the herb mix. They upped my ginseng and of course my body went completely crazy. Puffy and bloated, depressed, paranoid, you name it I felt it! So I've stopped the mix and they are going to try a new tack, without Oestrogens! I think I must be in early menopause when the Oestrogens and receptors in the body start to diminish so any Oestrogen you add... even Phyto-oestrogens causes a raise in blood levels and puts that and the Progesterone out of wack... For the moment I'm back to Milk Thistle and Rosemary, both of which work very well for me. So I will see what my guy says next week when I go back.... Grrrrh, I feel like I have to start all over again! And I've put on 5lbs of water/oestrogen weight so have to loose that so that I can fit in to my clothes again!

How frustrating Caroline!

Do be careful of the cuts of meat you are eating. Make sure they are not too fatty plus avoid fried foods. Part of your excess water problem could be your liver/gall bladder not handling excess cholesterol and toxins--which is likely if you still have damaged villi. And who doesn't if they have issues with gluten? The first thing to go with the villi are the tips needed to process fat. So then the unprocessed fat goes through the intestinal wall and into the circulatory system, which then the liver has to clean up. It then builds up cholesterol stones which creates difficulty for the gall bladder in its ability to release the bile your intestines need for peristalsis. This then tends to clog up your lymphs too and create issues for the kidneys. It probably creates a load on your endocrine system too. Its a vicious circle.

Milk thistle by the way is very healing of the liver.

I used to use vitex to help balance my female hormones by the way. I think simple is probably better than complex.

I think I told you I was allergic to some of the Chinese herbs didn't I? As it turns out I think most of them are very high in salicylates. Dong quai was one of the worst for me and the Chinese ginseng did not help. We are all a little different.

Again, hope you are still using the adzuki beans.

And can soon see your way through this current quagmire.

Sometimes just stopping helps. And then begin from the beginning with journal, pulse test, descriptions of what you eat and drink and how you feel before and after and then a few hours later, ditto with any stray herb you add... Go slow, only adding in something say once every 3 or 4 days, and maybe you will figure a few things out.

Bea

[CarolinaKip]

Where do you buy these? I'm not sure I've seen them at a market near me. Thanks!

[YoloGx]

Where do you buy these? I'm not sure I've seen them at a market near me. Thanks!

You mean the adzuki beans (also spelled aduki etc.)? They are in most Asian markets. You probably can order them online too. They are amazing--they actually melt the cholesterol in the liver and gall bladder. Certainly they have made me feel a lot better -- as well as of course eating less animal fat and avoiding fried foods.

[CR5442]

You mean the adzuki beans (also spelled aduki etc.)? They are in most Asian markets. You probably can order them online too. They are amazing--they actually melt the cholesterol in the liver and gall bladder. Certainly they have made me feel a lot better -- as well as of course eating less animal fat and avoiding fried foods.

You know I've been totally dumb Bea, they are infact, as you spell them, Aduki beans. My brain really has been on another planet with these Oestrogens! We get them pre-prepared from the supermarket. I don't like soaking beans as for some reason they always give me wind, however much I cook them. I'm hanging back on the beans for the moment until I've lost all the water weight. Was 1.25lbs down this morning and already my bra is fitting better. Unbelievable! I have to say that I knew the mix probably wasn't quite right for me, knowing my history of intolerance to Oestrogen (or relative excess). I just wanted to give the third year student a chance to test his theories. Anyway, ho hum. I've also started on a really good probiotic which made me feel much better yesterday already.

How are things going with you all?

[CR5442]

How frustrating Caroline!

Do be careful of the cuts of meat you are eating. Make sure they are not too fatty plus avoid fried foods. Part of your excess water problem could be your liver/gall bladder not handling excess cholesterol and toxins--which is likely if you still have damaged villi. And who doesn't if they have issues with gluten? The first thing to go with the villi are the tips needed to process fat. So then the unprocessed fat goes through the intestinal wall and into the circulatory system, which then the liver has to clean up. It then builds up cholesterol stones which creates difficulty for the gall bladder in its ability to release the bile your intestines need for peristalsis. This then tends to clog up your lymphs too and create issues for the kidneys. It probably creates a load on your endocrine system too. Its a vicious circle.

Milk thistle by the way is very healing of the liver.

I used to use vitex to help balance my female hormones by the way. I think simple is probably better than complex.

I think I told you I was allergic to some of the Chinese herbs didn't I? As it turns out I think most of them are very high in salicylates. Dong quai was one of the worst for me and the Chinese ginseng did not help. We are all a little different.

Again, hope you are still using the adzuki beans.

And can soon see your way through this current quagmire.

Sometimes just stopping helps. And then begin from the beginning with journal, pulse test, descriptions of what you eat and drink and how you feel before and after and then a few hours later, ditto with any stray herb you add... Go slow, only adding in something say once every 3 or 4 days, and maybe you will figure a few things out.

Bea

You are right re. the Milk Thistle. In fact it is quite specific for problems of Oestrogen excess and issues with breaking Oestrogen down in the liver. I did a paper on it before Xmas... some really interesting stuff. it also not only helps reconstruct and protect cells in the liver but also the Kidneys. It is also possible that it has such regenerative effects on other organs in that case. There is also a case for it regarding lowering of lipids in the blood (LDLs).

Do you know of somewhere that has the exact contents of salicylates in individual herbs so I can gauge if I am having a reaction. I was thinking about this the other day as one of my symptoms was horrid shoulder pain that I used to have along with a feeling like my nasal polyps were coming back. However, it might be because of inflammation caused by the excess circulating Oestrogen??

[YoloGx]

You are right re. the Milk Thistle. In fact it is quite specific for problems of Oestrogen excess and issues with breaking Oestrogen down in the liver. I did a paper on it before Xmas... some really interesting stuff. it also not only helps reconstruct and protect cells in the liver but also the Kidneys. It is also possible that it has such regenerative effects on other organs in that case. There is also a case for it regarding lowering of lipids in the blood (LDLs).

Do you know of somewhere that has the exact contents of salicylates in individual herbs so I can gauge if I am having a reaction. I was thinking about this the other day as one of my symptoms was horrid shoulder pain that I used to have along with a feeling like my nasal polyps were coming back. However, it might be because of inflammation caused by the excess circulating Oestrogen??

I found an herb list of high salicylate herbs someplace. I will look it up later. Thing is that there hasn't been a lot of research into it. Normally they just say "no herbs" blanketly. Very frustrating. Due to my need this fall with a gallbladder problem I discovered there are a few low sals herbs. But not very many. Dandelion root, golden seal, and nettles are the ones I heard of. I have found barberry root and Oregon grape root tolerable for me too. I get psoriasis in my ears and crotch--a signal I have had excess salicylates. Plus not sleeping well at all. So I have used that as a guide for myself. You can find out more about sals on the salicylate sensitivity forum. And I will meanwhile look for that list.

Both gluten and salicylate sensitivity usually indicates problems in the liver, either of which often leads to problems with the shoulder and neck etc. due to congestion in the liver and gall bladder--which often translates into gall stones. I have found I get pain in the gall bladder spot on my feet too, up on top of the foot between the little toe and the ankle. I also get pain sometimes in the liver drainage spot up and next to the v between the big toe and the toe next to it--also on top of the foot.

As far as the adzuki beans go, I normally can't digest beans either. However I can digest these!! As can my friend Graeme who has a terrible problems having anything to do with beans. What I do is soak them for two days, changing the water roughly 3 times or more. Then with new water I bring them to a boil, rinse and put new water and boil again and once more--before my final rinse and boil and then simmer them for a couple of hours, adding in veggies and a little seaweed in at the end. I have a product much like Beano but without the wheat--by Jarrow --which I mentioned a while back. I think its Jarro Enzyme Plus. I am finding however I don't always need it.

The thing is with the adzuki beans is that they melt the cholesterol in your liver and gall bladder, so then it helps create a better release of bile, and thus a better environment for the damaged, likely scarred villi in the gut to heal -- the pesky critters that started the whole thing due to their having been whacked by gluten no doubt for years. Being beans too they also help normalize the blood sugar.

If you really don't want to eat regular beans, you can always just sprout them.

Meanwhile I find when I get shoulder or neck pain or foot pain, that if I take some nettles and say either Oregon grape root or barberry root it goes away. And then I make sure I stay off meat for a while, unless I eat a small bit of chicken in with the adzuki beans. And lots of veggies.

The acidophilous, however you get it, also helps out the villi by creating a more nurturing, healthy environment for your gut. Fibronylitic agents like nattokinase also help by getting rid of the scar tissue and reducing platelate aggregation in your veins etc. This translates as less scar tissue blocking up your villi so they can absorb fats better etc.

[CR5442]

I found an herb list of high salicylate herbs someplace. I will look it up later. Thing is that there hasn't been a lot of research into it. Normally they just say "no herbs" blanketly. Very frustrating. Due to my need this fall with a gallbladder problem I discovered there are a few low sals herbs. But not very many. Dandelion root, golden seal, and nettles are the ones I heard of. I have found barberry root and Oregon grape root tolerable for me too. I get psoriasis in my ears and crotch--a signal I have had excess salicylates. Plus not sleeping well at all. So I have used that as a guide for myself. You can find out more about sals on the salicylate sensitivity forum. And I will meanwhile look for that list.

Both gluten and salicylate sensitivity usually indicates problems in the liver, either of which often leads to problems with the shoulder and neck etc. due to congestion in the liver and gall bladder--which often translates into gall stones. I have found I get pain in the gall bladder spot on my feet too, up on top of the foot between the little toe and the ankle. I also get pain sometimes in the liver drainage spot up and next to the v between the big toe and the toe next to it--also on top of the foot.

As far as the adzuki beans go, I normally can't digest beans either. However I can digest these!! As can my friend Graeme who has a terrible problems having anything to do with beans. What I do is soak them for two days, changing the water roughly 3 times or more. Then with new water I bring them to a boil, rinse and put new water and boil again and once more--before my final rinse and boil and then simmer them for a couple of hours, adding in veggies and a little seaweed in at the end. I have a product much like Beano but without the wheat--by Jarrow --which I mentioned a while back. I think its Jarro Enzyme Plus. I am finding however I don't always need it.

The thing is with the adzuki beans is that they melt the cholesterol in your liver and gall bladder, so then it helps create a better release of bile, and thus a better environment for the damaged, likely scarred villi in the gut to heal -- the pesky critters that started the whole thing due to their having been whacked by gluten no doubt for years. Being beans too they also help normalize the blood sugar.

If you really don't want to eat regular beans, you can always just sprout them.

Meanwhile I find when I get shoulder or neck pain or foot pain, that if I take some nettles and say either Oregon grape root or barberry root it goes away. And then I make sure I stay off meat for a while, unless I eat a small bit of chicken in with the adzuki beans. And lots of veggies.

The acidophilous, however you get it, also helps out the villi by creating a more nurturing, healthy environment for your gut. Fibronylitic agents like nattokinase also help by getting rid of the scar tissue and reducing platelate aggregation in your veins etc. This translates as less scar tissue blocking up your villi so they can absorb fats better etc.

Hey Bea, thanks for all these tips. I'm definitely feeling a lot better off the mix and am certain they are going to have to think again about the hormones and perhaps even the salicylates. I get dreadful shoulder pain too... I think I said before.

I just read your footer to your posts and notice that you have degraded Myelin sheath. Have you had any naturopathic success with this condition. My friend's mum has MS and also has just developed this condition leaving her with neck pain, difficulty in swallowing and generally problems eating/breathing. They have her on so many drugs it is hard to know what to suggest that won't react!