Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Gluten Free Debate


come dance with me

Recommended Posts

come dance with me Enthusiast

Open Original Shared Link

 

What's everyone's thoughts?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



kareng Grand Master

That's an interesting article. I'm not familiar with the specifics of your gluten-free labeling laws. From what I have seen from other people in Australia, they may not be either.

I would hate for them to loosen up just because the rest of the world is a bit looser. But....many gluten-free companies are testing to 10 ppm even if the US proposed law is 20.

Kamma Explorer

I like Australia's labelling requirements and cannot understand their reasoning why they would want to bring them in line with Europe and North America.  In my opinion, the goal is to protect and inform people with gluten intolerance, not to create standardization internationally.  Especially when there are many that still react to less than 20 ppm and are initially confused by 'gluten free' labelling as to mean 'no gluten present'.  

 

Australia also has a caveat in their labelling that manufacturers can claim their product is 'low gluten' if it falls under 20 ppm.  

 

An interesting note is that in Europe historically, it was believed that 200 ppm gluten levels were considered safe for celiacs (1981 standards) and thus food containing <200 ppm was labelled gluten free.  It was only decreased in 2009 to <20 ppm.  This was also in conjunction with the industry using a variety of  detectability tests that had different sensitivities of detecting gluten.  For example, one commercial method that was approved by the American Association of Official Analytical Chemists could only detect gluten levels above 160 ppm.  As different tests were developed that had a higher degree of sensitivity in detecting gluten, the acceptable 'gluten free' level was dropped to 20 ppm. based on serological testing that this level was safe for most celiacs.  (However, Fassano's recent study of some celiacs not healing at all on a diet of <20 ppm is throwing a bit of a curve on the <20 ppm being safe for all celiacs).

 

At this point, if they have the ability to detect gluten levels down to under 3 ppm (they do and it's what Australia bases their 'gluten free' labelling on) they should label the products as such.  I wish more countries would standardize to Australia, not the other way around.

 

 

Ref:  Open Original Shared Link

Ref: Open Original Shared Link

Ref  Open Original Shared Link

Oscar Apprentice

Kamma, should we assume that all those "greater than" symbols (>) were actually intended to be "less that" symbols (<)?

Kamma Explorer

:)

Oscar, you're a peach.  Thanks for catching that and will edit.

GFinDC Veteran

Kamma, should we assume that all those "greater than" symbols (>) were actually intended to be "less that" symbols (<)?

Or maybe they are "less than" symbols? :D  I see she already fixed 'em up.

 

Kamma,

 

There's an old saw, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!  It seems to me everyone in Australia would easily understand the current labeling there.  Changing the standard seems unneeded to me.

Kamma Explorer

Here's an article from a newspaper in Sydney.  The push to change the labelling comes from inside the industry.

 

Excerpt:

Australian food manufacturers and suppliers are pushing to increase the amount of gluten allowed in so-called ''gluten-free'' foods on which thousands of people with digestive problems rely.

The Australian Food and Grocery Council is preparing to ask Food Standards Australia New Zealand to relax its current standard, which states there must be no detectable gluten in foods labelled ''gluten-free''.

The lobby group instead wants such foods to be able to contain up to 20 milligrams of gluten per kilogram, which would bring Australia in line with British and European standards.

A confidential survey by AFGC of 98 businesses that either manufacture ''gluten-free'' foods or supply them found nearly 80 per cent think the new standard would cut down manufacturing plant costs, including gluten testing costs, and make it easier to source products from overseas.

Open Original Shared Link

 

 

So it's fuelled by a cost cutting measure.within the industry.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



auzzi Newbie

Coeliac disease is only part of the wider picture.

 

Gluten is an allergen. A product with less that 20ppm will be labelled "gluten-free" up until they have an anaphylaxic fatality. 

 

Besides, they would have to legislate a change in the "Truth in Labelling" laws/regulations. You cannot say it it "gluten-free", if, by it's very definition, it is not ..

 

All lobby groups have their own agendas ...

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - trents replied to Charlie1946's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      32

      Severe severe mouth pain

    2. - Ginger38 replied to Ginger38's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      22

      Shingles - Could It Be Related to Gluten/ Celiac

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Charlie1946's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      32

      Severe severe mouth pain

    4. - trents replied to Charlie1946's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      32

      Severe severe mouth pain

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,081
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    GlutenFreeChef
    Newest Member
    GlutenFreeChef
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • trents
      But for someone with Barrett's like @Charlie1946, long term PPI therapy might be necessary. 
    • Caligirl57
    • Ginger38
      Sorry I didn’t get a notification you posted. Thanks for this information! Im Still battling it and the itching that has now developed in my scalp and on my face is unbearable. My hair has broke off. I now have hazing on my cornea and I’m at like week 8 now I think. I came Down with Covid right before Christmas and now I have strep throat!! I think my immune system has quit!! How much longer-l-lysine is recommended?  Thanks I have been wondering if I need to increase my zinc and or vitamin d And / or add anything else 
    • knitty kitty
      Aaaackkk!!!  Stop with the Omeprazole!  It's not good, especially if taken for a long period of time!!!   Gerd and Acid Reflux are actually caused by too little digestive enzymes resulting from nutritional deficiencies in Thiamine B1 and Niacin B3 that are needed to make digestive enzymes.   Omeprazole is a proton pump inhibitor that has been shown to cause continuing villi damage to the small intestines!        Factors associated with villus atrophy in    symptomatic coeliac disease patients on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28220520/ Proton Pump inhibitors reduce digestive enzymes which results in poorly digested food.  If the food is not broken down by the digestive enzymes, then the nutrients cannot be released from the food and cannot be absorbed by the villi.  Damaged villi cannot absorb nutrients from food.  PPIs block Thiamine B1 transporters, so that thiamine cannot be absorbed.  PPIs reduce the production of the intrinsic factor required for Cobalamine B12 absorption.  The absorption of other vitamins and minerals are affected as well.    The Effects of Proton Pump Inhibitors in Acid Hypersecretion-Induced Vitamin B12 Deficiency: A Systematic Review (2022) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36545170/ Proton Pump Inhibitors like Omeprazole should be used only on a short term basis, like two weeks.  Continued use can cause nutritional deficiencies because PPIs prevent the absorption of vitamins and minerals.      Profound Hypomagnesemia Due to Proton Pump Inhibitor Use-Associated Wernicke’s Encephalopathy: A Case Report on Excitotoxicity https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12618944/    Proton pump inhibitors and risk of vitamin and mineral deficiency: evidence and clinical implications https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4110863/ Vitamin and mineral deficiencies contribute to health problems like Non Alcoholic Fatty Liver Disease and Chronic Renal Failure and Osteoporosis.    Association between dietary intakes of B vitamins and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease in postmenopausal women: a cross-sectional study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10621796/    The association between proton pump inhibitors and hyperparathyroidism: a potential mechanism for increased fracture-results of a large observational cohort study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37530847/ Regular Proton-Pump Inhibitor Intake is Associated with Deterioration of Peripheral Bone Mineral Density, Microarchitecture, and Strength in Older Patients as Assessed by High-Resolution Peripheral Quantitative Computed Tomography (HR-pQCT) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12546302/ Vitamins and minerals are essential to our health and can prevent disease. Long term use of PPIs can cause kidney disease and liver disease!    Association between Proton Pump Inhibitor Use and Risk of Incident Chronic Kidney Disease: Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39061988/    Proton pump inhibitors use and the risk of fatty liver disease: A nationwide cohort study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32886822/  Thiamine deficiency unrelated to alcohol consumption presented with urinary retention and Wernicke's encephalopathy: A case report https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10415583/ Essential nutrients are needed to repair and heal the body!    High-dose vitamin B1 therapy prevents the development of experimental fatty liver driven by overnutrition https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33608323/ Hiding in Plain Sight: Modern Thiamine Deficiency https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8533683/ There are liquid forms of B complex vitamins that are available over-the-counter and by prescription.   I pray for ears to hear.
    • trents
      That makes sense then.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.