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First, thanks for helping! I've had bowel problems for about three years, but the swelling for only about a year.
I should have mentioned that I also have osteoperosis (since I was 19) and anemia (five+ years), and my hands tingle.
How do you ask for those tests? Do I need to contact a GI doctor specifically, or can the blood tests be done at my school's medical center?
Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it.
-Bridget
Okay, there's some more clues that something isn't working right. I don't know what kind of school you are at, if it's a major medical teaching school, then they may be able to do it. Otherwise, you'll need a more sophisticated lab to do the panel. If you can get to a GI w/o a referral and jumping through hoops, I would highly recommend it. And one who is up on the latest findings regarding celiac and gluten intolerance. Another question, rather personal, is what's your heritage? Do other people in your family have stomach problems? I'm a little bit of an anomaly when it comes to celiac - half Swedish (common) but the only one on both sides with celiac. The tingling is probably from neuropathy. Has any dr. tried to find the source of your anemia? Or did they just tell you to eat iron rich foods and take b vitamins? And osteoperosis at 19 is not normal. Neither is anemia w/o an organic cause. This makes me think more along the lines of malabsorption, common with celiac. It's the malabsorption that causes celiac to be the great chameleon of autoimmune disorders. You haven't mentioned fatigue and brain fog and mood swings. Does that sound familiar to you?
Annette
P.S I have a 21 year old daughter in college too
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Hello everyone,
I'm so terribly desperate--Ii'm a 21 year old college girl and these symptoms are ruining my life. I don't mean to be melodramatic, but please tell me if you've ever had any of these symptoms.
My legs swell all the time, every day, this is the WORST of my symptoms, and I mean so swollen that often my pants won't fit. It is SO embarrassing. It's like my body inflates and I've been to so many doctors trying to figure out why. No one ever gives me the same answer twice and nothing has improved this.
I also can't go to the bathroom like a normal person AT ALL. I eat a healthy diet that includes lots of whole grains, fiber-rich foods (whole wheat breads, whole wheat tortillas, whole wheat cereals) along with fruits, veggies etc. but I never have a bowel movement (sorry for being gross) on a regular basis. I'm either constipated, terribly, for days, and then sometimes, out of nowhere, I'll have just an attack of diarrhea.
I get lots of exercise, and drink lots of water, so I SHOULD be able to go to the bathroom like normal.
After lots of research on my own, I found celiac disease online, so I thought I'd check it out further.
I practiced a gluten-free diet for two weeks and believe me, I checked ALL the labels, called companies, (and I was STRICT, no sharing toasters, nothing with oats, barley, rye, and of course, wheat, at all) and I didn't have the same kind of swelling. I really did my research on what I couldn't eat. But I was still constipated, so I really don't know what to think.
Today, I decided to eat wheat again to see what would happen. I ate three pieces of plain, whole wheat bread, and my legs are swollen stiff and my face feels puffy, my head feels cloudy and I'm dizzy and have a headache.
It is so embarrassing, and my parents, and doctors think I'm insane. I can't keep having my legs swell on me like this.
Has anyone else had this leg swelling as a primary reaction? I have other symptoms that are listed on various celiac sites, but the swelling (or water retention?) and not going to the bathroom are the worst!
Thanks for anything you can tell me. Thanks, thanks, thanks.
-Bridget
Well, if it makes you feel better, I don't think you're insane. I can't tell you exactly what your problem is, but your body is telling you something isn't working right. You may have a simple wheat allergy, a gluten intolerance, or celiac. For starters, I'd get another dr if possible, he's obviously not giving serious attention to your problems. And another thing that you have done that proves you are a rational person is that you have researched and done your own testing. The not eating gluten is the diet challenge and you have now had a positive diet challenge for gluten. Just what type of reaction is what needs to be dx'd. You could go to an allergest and have tests done, focusing on food allergies. If you are still ingesting gluten, you could try to find a competent dr, or at least one who would run the full celiac panel, which is just a blood draw. That could point someone in the right direction. And don't back down, the dr isn't paying for this. By the way, how long have you had the swelling and bowel problems? Keep us posted; don't ever hesitate to ask questions because we've been there and have heard it all.
Annette
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Hi, please help. I’ve been experiencing varying symptoms for the better part of the last year. At first it began with floating stools and it has increased with time to more frequent and loosely formed bowel movements. These days I go to the bathroom a few times a day and its anything but healthy. I’ve also experienced a significant drop in energy as well as a great deal of muscle fatigue. It takes very little muscle exertion to leave me feeling sore for days and I experience muscle twitches almost constantly. My muscles really feel drained all the time. I went to a doctor who did and EKG and discounted the likelihood of any neuromuscular disorders. Two months ago I was diagnosed as having Hypothyroidism and I have been taking a daily dose of Synthroid ever since. I was pretty sure that this was the problem and it would be licked in no time but my symptoms have not dissipated as I had hoped. The more I read about celiac disease, the more I identify with the symptoms. I’ve made an appointment for Dec 22 to see my doctor about it and take the necessary next steps. Was just wondering if these symptoms seem familiar to Celiac since it seems there are some very knowledgeable people here. I know that a paragraph of description is no means for diagnosis but I came across the site and figured I’d learn as much as I can before I head to the doctor in three weeks. I don't have any food allergies that I'm aware of. Any comments or further discussion would be great! Thanks a million.
The first part of your post got me going "yep, celiac" then the rest sort of confirmed it for me. That's exactly what my D was for six weeks before I went to my dr. And the fatigue (swimming upstream in a molasses river in Jan?) is so very much a part of celiac. I'd love to tell you to go on the gluten free diet now, but since you're seeing the dr. in 3 weeks, you'll probably need to stay on gluten so he can run the full celiac panel and/or schedule a biopsy. And be sure to ask him/her just how much experience with celiac disease he/she has had. I've had a dr tell me I could probably go back to eating wheat. I knew she was dead wrong. And celiac disease or gluten intolerancd isn't an allergy. It's an autoimmune disorder - the body is attacking itself, as opposed to an allergy where the body is trying to protect itself by flushing out the invader.
Keep us posted and ask as much as you want. The people here are very knowledgable (we have to be). I've learned more in the three months since joining than I have in the past 9 years.
Annette
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For those who posted about gene manipulation on an earlier topic - read this.
MOMMY, IS AUNT SALLY IN THE RICE PUFFS? - Commentary by Don Fitz, Swans.com
Open Original Shared Link
EWWWW!! Scary stuff. And (I'm telling my age) it's like life imitating art. Brought to mind two scifi flicks
Attack of the Pod People and Soylent Green.
Scary, scary, scary. And what's worse, I'm a Missourian.
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Hi everyone,
I just had my second visit with my GI post diagnosis. Even going gluten/lactose free I'm still struggling with weight gain and feeling better. I have been going on many web sites and getting everything I can to learn more about celiac disease. I've gone to all the local natural food stores for their gluten free selections and have been inspecting all labels before purchasing any of my foods. But, again it's going on 2 months and I feel I'm not making a lot of progress. My doctor doesn't seem to overly concerned. My biopsy and blood tests confirmed celiac. I'll be back in for blood work in 6 months to check my levels.
I guess I'm just anxious to getting back to feeling great again.
Can anyone tell me how it went for them in the beginning and how their doc handled post diagnosis?
Jen
Well, just how long were you sick before dx and gluten-free diet? And are you 100 gluten-free? I don't mean just foods (no barley, malt, wheat, rye, spelt, tritical, barley grass, wheat sprouts....) makeup? lotions? supplements?
Okay, what do you mean by not a lot of progress? If there is progress, even a little, it means you are on the right track. Every one heals at different rates, and you didn't say how much damage had occured. I wish I could give you a definite time line, but in reality, slow and steady is the best. Some of the posters here have leaky gut. Could you be having problems with that? And are you eating high protein? Even after being gluten-free for 9 years, my body still needs me to eat a high protein diet. If I don't, I'm wiped out, but not nearly as bad as being glutened. Oh, and if I could, I sure would give you the extra pounds I don't want.
Annette
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hey gang,
doing my elimination diet, and trying to figure out whether xanthan/xanthum gum is ok for celiacs out there. i used it in a biscuit recipe and didn't feel too well afterwards. the xanthum was bought from bob's so it is gluten-free.
anyone that has celiac disease and food allergies have problems with this ingredient?
is guar gum better?
thanks a lot
johnny
I googled both awhile back for my own curiosity. I loved Pamela's cookies and would always have an itchy mouth afterwords. Everything on the ingredient list I knew I was okay with except for xanthan gum. I can't remember what the source is for making that, but it does not agree with me. I use guar gum (cheaper too)
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I'm not lactose intolerant,my mother said I was tested as a baby at the hospital where I was born..
You might go lactose free also. I had to at the onset of my celiac disease. The part of the villi that's damaged by the celiac disease is the same area that produces lactase. W/o lactase you can't digest lactose. After your intestines heal the lactase producing ability returns and then you will be able to tolerate milk products. I still don't drink much milk or eat a lot of cheese, but at least when I do I'm not bothered by it.
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The only things that ever came back positive were vitamin/mineral deficiencies, no growth of beneficial bacteria, and the Enterolabs results. I must be the clinically healthiest person alive but still feel miserable
Didn't anyone ever question WHY you were deficient in vitamins and minerals? That would be a big clue that something wasn't functioning right. Your body is telling you NO to gluten. Simple as that. Start the gluten-free diet now and start getting healed and healthy. Believe me, you won't miss the gluten; you'll consider it a minor trade off for being healthy.
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Try this one:
Open Original Shared Link
Thanks :-),
Hope you enjoy the article - I found it to be well-written. Gina
Fantastic article!! Many thanks!
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So, I've posted all the tasty stuff we had for Thanksgiving this year, which turned out *really* well according to the family and the friend who joined us. I was particularly happy with the stuffing this year, because I had struggled to replace the creamy texture that I loved from bread based stuffing. But I found the secret - risotto! I usually use a brown and wild rice blend from Lundberg farm that includes short grain brown rice (to make it a bit creamier), but this time I added 1/4 cup risotto to the 1 cup brown and wild rice blend, and cooked it just like risotto, with the MIL doing a FAB job stirring frequently to make a beautifully creamy saucey texture to the stuffing. Adding chanterelle mushrooms helped as well, but that's because I like stuffing that hints of mushrooms. :-)
Anyway, I thought I'd pass along the "rice stuffing with a texture close to bread stuffing" secret - risotto! :-)
I"ll have to remember that. I opted out from the stuffing so dh only had to make one style for the 13 other people at dinner. But I wanted to save room for pie anyhow. Real pie with gluten-free crusts!! I finally broke down and learned how to do that. But will have to try your version of stuffing sometime.
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Hi all.
Having a bit of a hard time at the moment with my husband.
Dx'd with celiac disease 14 months ago(he was very ill)-but was unresponsive to gluten-free diet alone and had to go on steroids.
I've read lots of people say their depressive symptoms got better on a gluten-free diet.
My husband never does things by the book-and has had a breakdown after 14 months gluten-free
It seems kind of cruel,that after being physically ill for such a long time,he was finally feeling a bit better,put some weight on etc and now has another illness we have to deal with.
His doctor has only labelled it 'clinical depression'.
However I'm concerned it may be more than that due to his behaviour.
He's extremely paranoid,and has delusions that I'm being unfaithful.
E.g-if I'm on the phone,he thinks I'm making arrangements to meet someone.He's carries my mobile with him everywhere to try and catch me out(he'll have a long wait!).Even if I wear something I haven't wore for a while-he'll read something into that.Silly things.
He says he can't even tell me all the terrible thoughts,because he knows they sound ridiculous.
At least he has insight to his obsessive thoughts about me.
I should point out we've been married nearly 20 yrs-and I've never given him cause to think I'd be unfaithful.
He also has panic attacks if I go to pick the kids up from school-pounding heart,sweating,pacing up and down.
He swings from extreme agitation to sobbing and crying all in one day.
He got himself so worked up the other day he had to be admitted to a psychiatric hosp(he hadn't slept for days)-but only stayed a day as he begged to come home.
So,-he's trying to keep himself busy,and not languish in his thoughts by doing some decorating and diy around the house.I've noticed that he seems almost manic.
Everything about him is rushed.His movements,his speech.Sometimes it difficult to converse with him as he starts to talk about all these grand plans he's gonna do the house.I can't keep up with him.I try to explain to him that we DON'T have the money to do these things(xmas and 3 kids!)but he doesn't seem to hear me.
Yesterday I got a bank statement and it's all gone-no money for xmas now,he's spent it all.I've had to cut his card up.He hasn't worked for many years due to arthritis and the problems celiac disease caused,so we don't have alot .
He's been in this 'manic state' for around 6 weeks now.I'm exhausted.
He's under a home psychiatric team,who visit him everyother day and he's on quite a cocktail of drugs:
Citalopram 20mg a day
Olanzapine(Zyprexa) 15mg aday
Lorazepam1mg up to 3 a day for anxiety.
Any thoughts?Do his symptoms sound more like bipolar?
Thanks for listening guys-I'm so stressed out!
Oh, yeah does that sound bi-polar. And his problems are compounded by celiac disease, but I think mental problems came first. He is much more than clinically depressed. Has the dr. recognized the bipolar? Please feel free to come here for venting, ranting, and support. You sure need it.
Big hug and a shoulder for you to lean on.
Annette
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I agree with RiceGuy. The lab is Enterolab by Dr. Fine. My dr. dx'd my celiac disease with diet alone. Had real bad D for six weeks - pale frothy and REALLY bad smelling. He put me on the gluten-free diet, went back 2 weeks later; the D was gone, he pronounced me having celiac disease, stay on gluten-free diet. No tests. Your body is telling you that it doesn't like gluten. You can go for the tests to find out if it is celiac disease, or gluten intolerance or allergy. No matter what it is, it's all treated the same - gluten-free diet. But for complete relief, you have to be totally gluten-free! Look out for all of the hidden places gluten can hide - hair spray, OTC meds, vitamins, lotions... And cross-contamination in you kitchen, need your own dedicated toaster....
But it's not all that bad and after awhile it becomes second nature and you don't really think about it.
Come here for any questions - I've learned more here in 3 months than I have in all of the years since being dx'd with celiac disease.
Annette
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So I misjudged a jump on my bike today and broke my collarbone. It turned out to be a fracture, something the doc called a "green line" or something, meaning my bone bent on impact and only fractured part way through. He said it was rare to see this happen in an adult (i'm 23), as this is what happens when kids break bones. Supposedly this is a good thing. Problem is, my boyfriend saw the crash and swears i didn't hit that hard. But then he felt my collar bone and was shocked that its so much smaller and thinner than his-as i'm a girl, of course.
I haven't had a bone density test done in a couple years, so i don't know where i'm at bone-health wise. I've taken quite a few good crashes with no breaks. Doctor said my bones look strong, but bf is still worried as he thinks i should have been able to take a digger like that and walked away unharmed. Any thoughts?
Nadia (typing one-handed)
I would definitely recommend the bone density test. You really do need to know where you are regarding your bone strength. As a woman, your best years of building bone strength are behind you (yes, I read your age) and you do need to think about the future. My mother didn't ingest enought calcium for over a decade, and now she has to look up to me (I'm 5'7", she used to be 5'10") and is in a wheelchair for spinal stenosis (but she is 84) I know I want to be way more active that she is when I get to be her age. Anyhow, maybe you didn't hit that hard, but the angle of your fall and such may have been a bigger contributer to your break than the force you hit with. Get the test, it's painless and may save yourself from future problems.
Annette
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Has anyone else been involved in a car accident resulting in the triggering of celiac? My husband was hit by a semi in 2003 and he has had numerous health issues since being diagnose with celiac 5 months later. He had no symptoms before the accident. Our lawyer is "afraid" to go this route in court. He says nobody knows about celiac, so the jury would go against us. I am at my wits end as I know I am right. He became malnurished, lost 40 pounds, had some TIA's, mini strokes; became anemic; kidneys are failing;........ Does anyone have anything similar?? He does have Type II diabetes, but Type I is connected to celiac. His diabetes, I am sure didn't help the kidneys, but no doctors mentioned a kidney problem until after the accident. Looking forward to hearing from someone. Thanks!!
I think your lawyer is right. And all the defense would have to do is tell the jury that your husband may not have had celiac disease at the moment of the accident, but he could have developed it later on in life even if the accident hadn't happened. I know in civil court you don't need 100% agreement from the jury to win, but getting a majority probably would be hard and may cost you way too much money for nothing. Has you dh had the gene testing? All tests would have to be admitted in court. Is he following the gluten-free diet? If so, when did he start? The defense could use everything against you. And seeing that so many drs don't understand or even recognize celiac disease, it would be hard to get a jury of lay people to get their minds around it. It's not that I don't believe one catastrophic event could trigger such a myriad of health problems (I really do believe you ), but getting a jury of rational people to see it your way is probably not going to happen.
Read how many people with celiac disease is this forum have posted problems with their own family, family-in-laws and people that they are in contact with daily not understanding the severity of celiac disease. Sorry to be such a downer, I really am. I do hope your husband gets his health back, having your health ruined from something that wasn't your fault would be very hard.
Annette
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I just converted a dud homemade loaf of bread into breadcrumbs and croutons, and I was wondering about how to store them.
Should I be putting them in the freezer or can I keep them in a Tupperware container in the cupboard? They are already dried out and kind of oven toasted. Gluten-filled croutons/crumbs just sit in the cupboard, why not gluten-free?
Any thoughts?
Well, other than store-bought gluten items are filled with preservatives, I would feel safer putting them in the freezer.
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Hello! I am new to! I have been gluten-free for 3 weeks. I can tell a huge difference. I am amazed! I have had some really stupid doctors too, but mostly people who just wanted to give me another Rx and send me on my way. I am so impressed that you have been gluten-free for a year! I am worried that I won't make it that long with out cheating, but I just try to think about how bad I feel when I do eat stuff with gluten in it. I didn't think that the Malt Flavoring in Rice Krispies Treats was enough to make me sick but I was wrong!!!! So I am using that as a reminder! Congrats again, and welcome!
Hi to all three of you! and a big welcome. I've done this for 9 yrs and yes, negative association does work when it comes to gluten containing foods- I see things (like Aunt Esthers apple dumplings at TDay yesterday) but gluten = pain, D, depression to the max, unexplained uncontrollable anger, and overwhelming fatigue. Thanks, I'll do w/o. But I didn't do the gluten-free diet right until I came to this forum 3 months ago. I kept eating cereal with malt flavoring and drinking malt based beverages (you know - Smirnoffs and Bicardi coolers) until I realized what I was doing to my body and cut those items out too. Well, much more energy and a whole lot less brain fog for starters. I didn't realize that I was developing neropathy in my legs and face until I read some of the posts. Some mornings I'd get up and feel like I was walking on stumps. Since cleaning up my diet, has lessened quite a bit; don't know if that part of the damage will ever completely heal, but boy what an incentive to be 100%, totally and fanatically gluten-free!!!
Here's to everyone living a healthier life!
Annette
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I was dx'd through diet challenge 9 yrs ago. I agree with Rice Guy, in that if you do the gluten-free diet, and your symptoms disappear, what else do you need? And yes, many of your other gi problems may lessen and even disappear if gluten is your problem and it is eliminated from your diet. Celiac is the great imitator of autoimmune diseases. With 200 symptoms that can appear in so many different combinations and to varying degrees, it's not surprising it is overlooked in this country. That and the fact the medical community is geared to actively treating problems via drugs or other proscribed regimes, and this disease is treated by diet alone, drs are quite often outside their comfort zone with celiac disease.
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Yep, there you have it. You gave yourself a test, although you didn't know it. It's called the diet challenge - no wheat, no problems. Gluten, problems. You could stay on gluten and get tested, or decide today to go gluten-free and feel better! Although if you could get a dr. to do a biopsy it would be interesting to know how much damage has been done to your intestines, or if it is indeed celiac disease or gluten intolerance, but either way, the "cure" is the same - NO GLUTEN!!
Seriously, do consider the gluten-free diet, who knows how much harm you have done and are doing to your body. Your body seems to agree with the gluten-free diet, so I think you know which direction you should go next.
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I know Hoods and Land o' Lakes are, but I don't have a store near me that carries either of those.
My choices are ALta Dena ( local SoCAl Dairy, hard to get ahold of,) and Albertsons, which someone said was a "good" label company, but I haven't been able to confirm that.
I wants me eggnog.
Elonwy
So long as the ingredients are your basic cream, sugar and egg, any brand should be okay.
Or:
In a small bowl, beat until light:
1 egg yolk
Beat in slowly:
1 tbls sugar
1/4 cup cream
1/8 to 1/4 cup rum, brandy, or whisky
a few grains salt
Whip separately until stiff:
1 egg white
Fold white lightly into other ingredients. Transfer mixture to glass.
Or go to allrecipes.com and see what you find there.
Cheers!!!
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Hello all,
My son cried this evening,he said he had this problem for a while ,but didn t tell us any thing ,because he thought it will go over,he describes the condition as a rare feeling in his right hand muscles,like it is going to explore if he carries some thing which is a little bit heavy,we went to his doctor last week ,and he said it is not so important!!!!!!
has any one else exprienced some thing like this.?
Maybe neuropathy related? And maybe you need a new dr? How old is your son? How long was he sick before dx'd with celiac disease? Has he been glutened lately? Need just a little more info. Could be he's not getting quite enough minerals absorbed into his system. I hope he feels better soon.
Annette
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You definitely are a survivor kid!!! And the world of celiac disease isn't all that bad. And I've always believed things happen for a reason - that last glutening you got was a real wake up (ooh, is there a pun in there-hives keeping you awake..sorry) so now you can start on your new life of becoming healthier than you've been in a long time. And yes, celiac disease and depression are linked. Or at least untreated celiac disease. I don't know which is worse when I'm accidentally glutened - the physical (extreme fatigue, tummy issues) or the depression. I'm on zoloft permanently as it is (dysthymia) but the depression is so much more than what my meds can handle - there's nothing to do but let it run its course. And I had my depressive episodes years before I developed celiac disease. I've tried getting off of zoloft since I've become completely gluten-free in the past two months (I had been giving myself a low-level glutening for years by eating cold cereal flavored w/malt. Must thank this forum for finally opening my eyes to that). But I can't. That old black nothingness comes back around the edges creeping up on my psyche - just can't take that. So zoloft for me for the rest of my life. Can think of worse things I suppose.
So, just take one day at a time, I'm happy that your relationship is stable and nurturing. That makes a world of difference. I had three emotionally abusive husbands (not all at the same time) but finally got a good therapist and now have the most wonderful supportive man (who's in the kitchen making the stuffing for tomorrow - a trained chef no less. He understands my celiac disease and gluten-free diet, I just didn't want any stuffing this year so he's making it for everyone else).
Get your celiac disease under control first, then start thinking about your meds. Don't expect too much too soon. A lot has happened, but you are on your way! And, yes, it would be wonderful to at least cut back on meds, I know how you feel about that. Do what you can and still keep your mental health. That is definitely just as important as physical health.
Happy T-Day and let us know how you get on.
Annette
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First, kudos for you for recognizing childhood depression. I've suffered since I was 9, was never properly treated and so it eventually developed into dysthymia- I'm on zoloft for life. So anyhow, it may be awhile for your daughter to completely get the gluten out of her system since she was such a carboholic. Is she a caffeine drinker also? Caffeine withdrawal can cause headaches.
When I get glutened the depression is much more than my zoloft can handle. I just have to tough it out until it passes. Does you dd think that the gluten-free diet is helping? I sure hope it works for her, since the emotional pain from depression can be so very crippling.
Please let us know how she's doing.
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Yeah!!!! I breastfed my daughter until she weaned herself off of me at 8 months. Being a mother, I can't help but worry if she'll develop celiac disease later in life like I did. It's nice to have something reassuring for once.
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Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum and have found it to be very helpful. I have read through many threads and have learned a great deal on how to deal with such a limiting diet. I have found the support and advice you give each other very helpful. As I think back on my health, I realize I've had a problem with gluten my whole life. Doctors said it was...yes, I'll say it..I.B.S.!!! I always knew it had something to do with food but Dr. convinced me that's what causes I.B.S.
In Feb. of this year my son and I had bronchitis and were both put on antibiotics. That's when our bodies completely shut down. Through trial and error and no help from DR.s we realized we could no longer eat pasta, bread,etc. without having severe reactions. We are now gluten free and have never felt better. On occasion we have ingested gluten and right away we get diarrhea and a itchy rash. Ny ears also get red and hot!! Wierd!!
So anyways thank you all for the comments on this forum...they've helped tremendously!!!
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I'm very thankful for this forum also. I was on my own for 9 yrs before breaking down and sought support online. Thank God I found this place!! My knowledge of celiac disease has improved considerably and so has my health. Welcome to the site, and please feel free to post any questions. None are to gross or silly! After all, it's only your health!
Annette
What Is The "real Deal" With Oats?
in Coping with Celiac Disease
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Oooh, let me know! I miss my oats terribly.
So filling and satisfying. Quinoa is a fair substitute, but not the same.
I haven't had any problems with quinoa. Maybe yours was contaminated. And completely off of the subject, is that an african grey?