Get email alerts Get E-mail Alerts Sponsor: Sponsor:

Ads by Google:

   Get email alerts  Subscribe to FREE email alerts

  • Announcements

    • Frequently Asked Questions About Celiac Disease   09/30/2015

      This FAQ on celiac disease will guide you to all of the basic information you will need to know about the disease, its diagnosis, testing methods, a gluten-free diet, etc.   Subscribe to FREE email alerts What are the major symptoms of celiac disease? Celiac Disease Symptoms What testing is available for celiac disease? - list blood tests, endo with biopsy, genetic test and enterolab (not diagnostic) Celiac Disease Screening Interpretation of Celiac Disease Blood Test Results Can I be tested even though I am eating gluten free? How long must gluten be taken for the serological tests to be meaningful? The Gluten-Free Diet 101 - A Beginner's Guide to Going Gluten-Free Is celiac inherited? Should my children be tested? Ten Facts About Celiac Disease Genetic Testing Is there a link between celiac and other autoimmune diseases? Celiac Disease Research: Associated Diseases and Disorders Is there a list of gluten foods to avoid? Unsafe Gluten-Free Food List (Unsafe Ingredients) Is there a list of gluten free foods? Safe Gluten-Free Food List (Safe Ingredients) Gluten-Free Alcoholic Beverages Distilled Spirits (Grain Alcohols) and Vinegar: Are they Gluten-Free? Where does gluten hide? Additional Things to Beware of to Maintain a 100% Gluten-Free Diet Free recipes: Gluten-Free Recipes Where can I buy gluten-free stuff? Support this site by shopping at The Store. For Additional Information: Subscribe to: Journal of Gluten Sensitivity

Absolute Relaltion Of Gluten To Celiac Disease

6 posts in this topic

I am wondering if it has been absolutely scientifically proved that gluten is the antagonist with those with celiac or the cause of it? I notice an article on site entitled "Toxicity Mechanism of wheat and other cereals in celiac disease". In that article they mention 3 theories : 1. the glutan-lecithin theory; 2. peptidase deficiency 3. primary immune defecit. This leads me to believe that the gluten relationship is not proven absolute in either instant. I have not been diagnosed with celiac disease - I had an endoscopic test for general examination of bowel which was basically negative exept for small ulcer only several months ago but also did a single blood test for celiac disease with same gastro doctor which came back negative. I have fibromyalgia dignoses for many years and have been really conscious of food intake and a friend with celiac disease keeps wanting to insist I have celiac disease although no weight or diarhea problems but exhaustion and sore muscles.

In any event I did some self muscle testing (new age thing?) for senstivities of many things and all such testing appeared to give me back reasonable results until I got to the celiac disease and gluten thing. The testing and several retesting showed I could not tolerate wheat but could tolerate barley rye and oats. The testing showed I was not gluten sensitive but I did have celiac disease. I have only recently gained a lot of confidence in this muscle testing as I used it to properly self diagnose a tilted hip which I confirmed by certain angle of my legs over too much to one side when I put my legs up against the wall into a V. So, any comments out there?


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

if you're sensitive to wheat, but not barley or rye or oats, perhaps you just have a wheat allergy? it's rather common, and just because it's called an "allergy" doesn't mean the symptoms are sneezing and watery eyes! ;-)


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites


I believe it's been established beyond a reasonable doubt that gluten IS the trigger for celiac disease, but wheat specifically has other components that can be extremely irritating to susceptible individuals. Wheat germ lectin, in particular, can cause a host of problems. Do you perhaps find that "white" bread is less troublesome than the whole-grain version?

If you haven't come across it already, the Blood Type Diet is largely based on the principle that different people react differently to various lectins and other food components. It sounded really hokey to me at first--in fact, I picked up the book so I could laugh at it--but after reading the books (Eat Right 4 Your Type and Live Right 4 Your Type), I ended up on the diet. You might find them as fascinating to read as I did!

You might also consider ordering a stool test for anti-gliadin antibodies from Enterolab, just as another piece to the puzzle.

I hope it turns out that you are just sensitive to wheat, not gluten! Good luck as you pursue an answer!


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi again and in clarification of my original posting on this string I was hoping that some very knowledgeable members would read the article on site and tell me whether or not I am reading it correctly ie. there are 3 theories on the cause of celiac disease and that the gluten theory is only one - the important aspect that the cause is only at theory state and not absolute scientific fact. If I am incorrect then could someone lead me to where I can read the scientific fact?

to find the article in question: go to Site Index - Research Data on celiac disease, GI, etc - then go to Studies on celiac disease and GI and go to the bottom to find the article I mention in my first message entitled "toxicity mechanism of wheat and other cereals in celiac disease. thanks folks. centeron.


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
This paper is a critical appraisal of current theories on the mechanisms of toxicity of wheat and other cereals in celiac disease and some related enteropathies. The "peptidase deficiency," "primary immune defect," and "gluten-lectin" theories on celiac disease are examined and critically discussed on the basis of the relevant data available in 88 references. Special attention has been paid in this review to the nature of the cereal components triggering the appearance of toxic symptoms and signs in celiac disease as well as to underlying action mechanisms. The gluten-lectin theory is the one best able to explain celiac disease. It also explains some secondary intolerance that may occur in temporarily predisposed individuals as a consequence to viral hepatitis and intestinal infections, as well as the occurrence of intestinal lesions in healthy subjects that are administered very high amounts of gluten.

Is this the reference you are asking about? Here is how I understand it:

The paper in question (of which this is only the abstract, of course) discusses three theories on HOW gluten ingestion results in enteropathy, but I believe--although, to be fair, the wording of the abstract does not specifically state or imply this--that the authors are PRESUPPOSING that gluten (and not some other element of the toxic grains) is responsible for causing the symptoms of celiac disease. I think your uncertainty arises from the presence of the word gluten in the name of one of the theories, which suggests (but does not require) that the other theories do NOT implicate gluten. However, I have seen this theory elsewhere referred to simply as the "Lectin Theory."

Here is a technical article that supports the conclusion that gluten/gliadin is the culprit in celiac disease; you may find it interesting. Also, this has to be the most thorough single-webpage discussion of celiac disease that I have come across! I found it quite fascinating, and it discusses (among many other things) the theories mentioned in the above abstract.

I hope this answers your question, or at least points you in a direction for further research. Happy reading!


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
    • Total Posts
  • Topics

  • Posts

    • turkey
      Turkey is gluten-free as long as it is not stuffed. You can make a good gluten-free stuffing using gluten-free bread. Dry the bread first and add what ever spices or veggies you wish, but cook it in a separate baking dish because stuffing the bird with it can cause bacteria to breed. And gravy must be thickened with corn starch or potato starch instead of wheat flour.
    • turkey
      so you can't even cook without stuffing inside turkey and not get gluten? Sorry I'm not familiar with turkey and wondering if I can have it while rest of family gets stuffing? In other words is turkey gluten free?
    • Numbness, Tingling in limbs & Joint Aches
      Hi Ender, Although you didn't get a complete thyroid panel, from what I see you are hypothyroid.  Most Dr's only care about TSH and yes yours is in the range, but when mine is that high I get terrible joint aches.  I feel best with mine around 1.  Your free T4 isn't just a tad low...most people feel best with it around 50% of the range.  I think you could benefit from some thyroid replacement medication.  You should also get a full thyroid addition to what you've had done a free T3, TPOAB and TgAb.   The last 2 are antibody tests.  Hashimotos is found fairly frequently with celiac.   Low vitamin D can also cause aches.  It would be really good to have your levels checked again.  Until you are healed you may not absorb it well enough so it's good to keep supplementing.  It took me a year and a half gluten free to get mine to an acceptable level for my Dr and he's keeping me on 2000 daily for maintenence.  For the numbness and tingling my Dr had me add magnesium as I was having horrible tingling in my feet and my B12 was good.  I have to say it has helped a lot. I hope you are able to get this figured out...I would definitely start with a complete thyroid panel and recheck of Vitamin D.  Here's a bit of reading on thyroid stuff if you have time.  Hugs!
    • Positive & Increasing TTG -- questions re: testing & history
      I'm a 31-year-old high school teacher (currently on disability) who has been dealing with 4 years of major gastrointestinal problems, which resulted in major surgery for a rectal prolapse & redundant colon last August, prior to which I had lost about 20 pounds. The source of all my gas, bloating, distention & diarrhea has remained basically unexplained though ("lets trust the surgery resolves your obstructed defecation and in turn your gas... d'oh it made both  worse"  ) , and my symptoms have only gotten significantly more severe since surgery. I'm facing a permanent ostomy. I've also, for the first time in a lonnng time, been eating a lot of gluten every day... primarily out of depression and (misguided?) attempts to gain weight and keep stool soft. I've been typically slightly underweight for 10+ years. Suffered anorexia for a period 10 years ago, and since recovering have "naturally" maintained a low weight and low-wheat lifestyle (I've always been put off by heavy wheat items like bread, sandwiches & pasta, *shrug*). As a child I had crazy severe & unexplained constipation issues. I've also had strong teeth discoloration & marked enamel defects (& two missing adult teeth(?)) since childhood. Depression & anxiety have been longterm issues. I have osteoperosis, which was perviously explained by me being anorexic from 19-22. Everything changed 4 years ago upon the onset of all my (severe) classic-IBS symptoms (gas/bloat/d+c). On a low-gluten diet, TTG bloodwork came back "low-positive" repeatedly. A biopsy showed no damage, but my gluten intake at the time was limited to 2 cookies a day, or occasionally 2 cookies and a piece of pizza. Would this have been enough to show damage? I trialled going gluten-free for a few months, and didn't find a ton of relief... so assumed I was just FODMAP intolerant... however I was eating lots of oats and lactose that whole time, which I have subsequently identified as major triggers... not to mention just lots of gluten-free junk food. Wheat was obviously a significant gas trigger since this hit, but that seems typical for gut illness in general. Since my major surgery and the continuation and worsening of symptoms, I've connected with an internist who has again and again pushed me towards eating wheat as a method towards weight gain and healthy non-anxious eating. I also found that a high-wheat diet would provide the proper consistency (i.e. very loose diarrhea every day) to allow colorectal function (the surgery I had went very poorly and caused major obstructed defecation). I have not had success gaining weight, and have found my digestive system feeling assaulted like never before 24/7 by bloating, gas and discomfort, despite a relatively low-residue diet and constant elimination. My appetite has never ever been worse. I just had a fourth TTG test, and after this high-gluten diet I am now testing POSITIVE as opposed to BORDERLINE. Questions: 1) I suspect my first biopsy's gluten challenge wasn't quite heavy enough in terms of gluten content (couple cookies a day). Thoughts? 2) Could being underweight alone cause an elevated TTG? How about simply having colorectal surgery? "IBS" or the supposedly non-pathogenic gut bacteria blastocystis hominis which I've been diagnosed with? I haven't been diagnosed with any other autoimmune condition, and I'm so confused. So far everyones just shoving the TTG off on IBS/anorexia, which doesn't make sense to me at all. 3) I really don't know what to do right now. I'm 20 pounds underweight, in digestive hell, with most of my medical support still suspecting I'm merely acting anorexic. I most assuredly am not. They want to put me on a tube. I would really like to get off the gluten in order to ease my system and gain weight, as I'm clearly reacting to it and have been deluding myself for the past year trying to recover from this surgery, but I'd also *REALLY* like some diagnostic confirmation so my doctors & family all stop looking at me like I'm crazy, and that so I can act with appropriate caution/freedom in my dietary future. 4) Do my childhood experiences line up with any celiac sufferers? I've heard about enamel defects, but missing teeth or crazy constipation? Obviously osteoperosis could connect, and doesn't *really* line up with my anorexia considering I was already fully grown. 5) Is there any way to get EMA/HLA blood tests done in Canada (BC)??? It's really frustrating that my only chance for any confirmation is waiting months and months here for another biopsy, especially considering how dire the need to improve my digestion is ASAP. I imagine if I could get an EMA test & it came back positive I would just take that as my confirmation and be able to move on with confidence here. 6) Is it common for celiac sufferers to find themselves reacting to FODMAPS and/or histamines in foods while they're  still maintaining a gluten-filled diet? Gluten definitely isn't my *only* trigger right now, and that's probably a primary reason I haven't been led to eliminate it at. Sorry for all the talk & questions, but I'm in an incredibly challenging place right now, my head is just swimming and swimming, and any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!   Bloodwork Current, after six months of a heavy-gluten diet = Tissue Transglutaminase Ab IgA ---18.0 ---- <12.0 U/mL = normal
      POSITIVE -Probable celiac disease but this should be confirmed with a small bowel biopsy. [Tested by a multiplex flow immunoassay
      (BioPlex) method.] 

      6 months ago = Tissue Transglutaminase Ab IgA ---13.0 ---- <12.0 U/mL = normal
      BORDERLINE - Borderline anti-tTG. Suggest repeat if clinically indicated.Consider the possibility of celiac disease - a small bowel biopsy may be required. [Tested by a multiplex flow immunoassay
      (BioPlex) method.]

      2012, prior to negative biopsy = Tissue Transglutaminase Ab IgA ---24.0 ---- <20.0 RU/mL = normal
      Weak positive anti-TTG. Consider the possibility of celiac disease - a small bowel biopsy may be required.  
  • Upcoming Events

  • Blog Entries

  • Recent Status Updates

  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
    • Most Online

    Newest Member
  • Members