Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Glutening Or Fat Malabsorbtion?


Nikki2777

Recommended Posts

Nikki2777 Community Regular

I was diagnosed with Celiac about 15 months ago, went gluten-free and felt so much better.  My supposed Lactose Intolerance went away and the main symptom I could see of the (very) occasional accidental glutening was a soreness in my mouth along with short-lived diarrhea and GI trouble.

 

For the last few weeks, I've noticed a return of the GI troubles, but no mouth pain.  I am as careful with eating out, reading labels, etc., as I've always been but I have been eating a fair amount of guacamole, cheeses and sunflower seeds.

 

I'm scheduling my annual endoscopy in a few weeks anyway, but in the meantime, is there any way to know if this is glutening or something else, like fat malabsorbtion?  I plan to stop the fats for a while anyway, as I'm really uncomfortable, but I'm hoping I haven't undone all the progress I've made.  It's the lack of mouth pain that has me confused.

 

Thanks.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



dilettantesteph Collaborator

Good question.  I made the mistake of thinking that fat malabsorption was gluten.  In my case gluten caused the fat malabsorption, and eliminating the fat made it go away, but that did not eliminate the gluten.  After more time with the gluten contamination in my diet some other symptoms reared their ugly heads.  I'm not sure how to distinguish unless you have other symptoms.  Digestive enzymes for fat absorption might help.  That was what made the difference for me as well as finding and eliminating the source of the gluten contamination by trial and error.  Could your present problems be a return of lactose intolerance rather than fat malabsorption?  Return of lactose intolerance has been caused by gluten contamination in the diet with me.  You can try eliminating dairy again and see what happens.  Have you made changes to your diet that correspond to the changes in symptoms that could be a source of gluten contamination?   I hope you get this figured out.

Kias4 Apprentice

From what I've read, celiac symptoms can change over time, and a person's sensitivity to gluten can also change over time.  The gluten-free diet that worked great for me for a couple years no longer works, as I am now getting enough cross-contamination to get a positive celiac blood test.  Also, I never used to get nausea, but with my return of symptoms I now get frequent nausea.  I'd say there's a good chance you could be simply getting cross-contamination due to increased sensitivity, and perhaps your symptoms have changed a bit.  Are you following all the guidelines like using dedicated gluten-free kitchen items, gluten-free personal care products, avoiding cross-contamination while in public, etc?

Pegleg84 Collaborator

While you should be avoiding all possible cross contamination regardless of symptoms, it is true that we can become more sensitive to gluten over time. It's also possible that your problems with dairy are returning.

A couple years gluten-free i started becoming more sensitive, and developed intolerances to dairy and soy. I also have trouble digesting fats sometimes. I'd also suggest cutting out dairy for a while, double-checking your kitchen for any possible gluten cc, and take digestive enzymes. You can mention it all to your doctor when you go back for the endoscopy.

 

Sounds like you're doing much better overall though. But it's hella annoying when something starts going wrong and you can't pin it down.

Good luck!

NatureChick Rookie

The previous comments seem right on the money to me, but I'd add that if you are still eating out, at all, that you are very likely getting glutened. The only restaurants I would consider safer would be those that have very few gluten items on their menu. I've had some luck with my local sushi place because, though they have items like tempura on their menu, most of the customers are ordering straight up rice, fish, and vegetable sushi so the prep areas are already less likely to be contaminated. But every time I've ever ordered items from a standard restaurant that were listed as gluten-free on the menu (and confirmed with the wait staff that they had to be gluten-free), I still got glutened, even from salads that were nothing but vegetables.

I'd recommend keeping a food/symptom diary until you get it figured out. And though fat could be a problem, I wouldn't overlook other possible intolerances or quantity issues as well. I have problems with a couple of foods if I eat too much of them in one sitting or if I eat them by themselves rather than in combination with other foods. If I looked at what I ate on any given day, I could probably find something wrong with it in one way or another ... eating the same way too many days in a row often being when problems arise.

moosemalibu Collaborator

I thought I had a fat issue too, based on GI symptoms despite negative antibody levels. I figured out with a dietary journal that I was intolerant to eggs and sugar alcohols (they were in my protein bars). Since eliminating those from my diet I no longer have the GI symptoms (which was diarrhea and steatorrhea)

Nikki2777 Community Regular

Thanks - I think I will try a food diary for a while.  Endo is next week, that will let me know if I've been making some mistakes, I guess.  Thanks for everyone's ideas.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      7

      results from 13 day gluten challenge - does this mean I can't have celiac?

    2. - knitty kitty replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      49

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

    3. - catnapt replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      7

      results from 13 day gluten challenge - does this mean I can't have celiac?

    4. - catnapt replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      7

      results from 13 day gluten challenge - does this mean I can't have celiac?

    5. - xxnonamexx replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      49

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,366
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    caroljben
    Newest Member
    caroljben
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @catnapt,  Wheat germ contains high amounts of lectins which are really hard to digest and can be irritating to the digestive tract.  They can stimulate IgG antibody production as your blood test shows.   Even beans have lectins.  You've simply eaten too many lectins and irritated your digestive tract.   You may want to allow your digestive tract to rest for a week, then start on gluten in "normal" food, not in concentrated vital wheat gluten. This explains it well: Lectins, agglutinins, and their roles in autoimmune reactivities https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25599185/
    • knitty kitty
      I take Now B-1 (100 mg) Thiamine Hydrochloride, and Amazing Formulas L-Tryptophan (1000 mg).   Both are gluten free and free of other allergens.  I've taken them for a long time and haven't had a problem with them. I take Vitamin A from BioTech called "A-25".  It's gluten and allergen free and made in the USA.  It's a powder form of Vitamin A.  I was having trouble digesting fats at one point, but found I tolerated the powder form much better and have stuck with it since.   Tryptophan and Vitamin A help heal the intestines as well as improves skin health.  I get Dermatitis Herpetiformis and eczema flairs when my stomach is upset.  So I'm healing the outside as well as the inside.   I take one 1000 mg Tryptophan before bedtime.   With the Thiamine HCl, take 100 mg to start.  If you don't notice anything, three hours later take another. You can keep increasing your dose in this manner until you do notice improvement.  Remember not to take it in the evening so it won't keep you too energized to sleep. When I first started Thiamine HCl, taking 500 mg to 1000 mg to start was recommended.  If you've been thiamine insufficient for a while, you do notice a big difference.  It's like the start of a NASCAR race: Zoom, Zoom, turn it up!   This scared or made some people uncomfortable, but it's just your body beginning to function properly, like putting new spark plugs in your engine.  I took 1000 mg all at once without food.  It kicked in beautifully, but I got a tummy ache, so take with food.  I added in Thiamine TTFD and Benfotiamine weeks later and felt like I was Formula One racing.  So cool.  You may feel worse for a couple days as your body adjusts to having sufficient thiamine.  Feels sort of like you haven't cranked your engine for a while and it backfires and sputters, but it will settle down and start purring soon enough.  Adjust your dose to what feels right for you, increasing your dose as long as you feel improvement.  You can reach a plateau, so stay there for several days, then try bumping it up again.  If no more improvements happen, you can stay at the plateau amount and experiment with increasing your Thiamine TTFD.  It's like being your own lab rat.  LoL Yes, take one Benfotiamine at breakfast and one at lunch.  Take the B Complex at breakfast. Take the TTFD at breakfast and lunch as well.  I like to take the vitamins at the beginning of meals and the NeuroMag at the end of meals.   You may want to add in some zinc.  I take Thorne Zinc 30 mg at breakfast at the beginning of the meal.   Are you getting sufficient Omega Threes?  Our brains are made up mostly of fat.  Flaxseed oil supplements, sunflower seed oil supplements (or eat the seeds themselves) can improve that.  Cooking with extra virgin olive oil, avocado oil, or coconut oil is also helpful.   @Wheatwacked likes phosphotidyl choline supplements for his Omega Threes.  He's also had dramatic health improvement by supplementing thiamine.  You're doing great!  Thank you for sharing your journey with us.  This path will smooth out.  Keep going!  
    • catnapt
      good luck! vital wheat gluten made me violently ill. I will touch the stuff ever again.  
    • catnapt
      I wouldn't consider this lucky. I can NOT tolerate the symptoms. And I googled it and I was not even getting 10 grams of gluten per day and I was extremely ill. They'd have to put me in the hospital. I'm not kidding.   I will have my first appt with a GI dr on March 4th   I will not eat gluten again - at least not on purpose   they are going to have to come up with a test that doesn't require it. 
    • xxnonamexx
      What Thiamine Hydrochloride brand do you take? Is it like the other vitamins I have added? What brand Tryptophan and amount do you take. Thanks
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.