Jump to content
This site uses cookies. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. More Info... ×

  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):

    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Candida & Villi

Emme999

Recommended Posts

Emme999 Enthusiast
Emme999
Posted

I just went to the local health food store and picked up some new probiotics. On one of the boxes (Primadophilus Reuteri - Nature's Way) I noticed that there were two little pictures on the back of some intestinal villi (No Reuteri - little villi / With Reuteri - big villi). So, since it was only $11 and one of my friends had recently cut out an article in the paper on how L. Reuteri improves health (New York Times wrote about a study where subjects who received L. Reuteri in a study reduced reports of illness by 60% in an 80 study) and told me she'd found a lot on the internet about it's effects against resistant yeast infections - I thought "What the hell" and bought it.

(Wow, that was a long sentence, eh?)

Anyway - I came home and started checking out credible medical journals to see if there's any documented research on the stuff. I came across some interesting information. One of the first things that caught my attention in an article titled: The intestine and its microflora are partners for the protection of the host: report on the Danone Symposium "The Intelligent Intestine," held in Paris, June 14, 2002 from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition was this:

Bacterial adhesion occurs first and foremost at the mucin sites that act as soluble or insoluble layers. Under normal conditions, adhesion to cells does not occur. This has been confirmed by a whole series of experiments that show that the normal flora always remain on the surface of the mucus, at the entrances of the villi, but never inside the crypts.

Is this why abnormal bacteria were able to overtake my intestinal tract and lead to a Candida infection? When I had my biopsy, the villi were flat. According to this - *normal* flora remain at the entrances of the villi - but never inside the crypts. All I had left were crypts! :( Maybe that's why I didn't have enough healthy bacteria to protect me.

Any thoughts?

- Michelle :wub:

p.s. I wasn't able to find much (understandable) info regarding L. reuteri & villous heightening. I'll let you know if I do!

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


RiceGuy Collaborator
RiceGuy
Posted

Sounds like something many here could benefit from, if it helps to regenerate the villi. I'm gonna look into this for sure!

Thank you!

dlp252 Apprentice
dlp252
Posted

I take a probiotic every day anyway since I've been on soooooo many rounds of antibiotics in the last 3.5 to 4 years....I'll check this one out too. Thanks.

Emme999 Enthusiast
Emme999
Posted
  • Author

Okay - well I went to the website of the company with rights to l. reuteri (Biogaia) and found this:

Open Original Shared Link

With its exceptional and documented health benefits, L. reuteri is an example of a superior probiotic from BioGaia.

Did you know?

• L. reuteri is the only Lactobacillus to produce and secrete reuterin – a beneficial anti-microbial agent that directly counteracts the growth of and even the survival of a wide variety of harmful bacteria.

• L. reuteri helps strengthen the body’s natural defenses against harmful bacteria and maintain equilibrium in the gastrointestinal tract. It does this partly also by creating an acid local environment that is unfriendly for harmful microorganisms.

• In a study of 47 different lactobacilli (Jacobsen 1999), L. reuteri was found to be the best at inhibiting the growth of harmful bacteria, fungi and protozoa.

• L. reuteri occurs naturally in the human intestine and is therefore one of very few Lactobacillus species uniquely adapted to reside in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract of man. It can live naturally in the stomach’s harsh environment. It is robust and withstands exposure to the acid gastric juice and bile salts in the upper small intestine and adheres easily to the intestinal wall.

• While other lactobacilli die in high numbers in the stomach and only few survive the transport to the small intestine, L. reuteri thrives everywhere in the "assault course" of the human digestive tract.

• L. reuteri is the only Lactobacillus that has no negative effects on organisms that naturally belong in the ecosystems of human gastrointestinal tracts, i.e. the good and healthy bacteria.

• 100 million L. reuteri Protectis a day is sufficient for powerful efficacy.

• It is safe to use in both healthy and sick people and is proven to promote human health.

Hmm..! So then I went to PubMed and found the study (Jacobsen, 1999) and found this info:

( Open Original Shared Link )

The ability to inhibit the growth of pathogenic bacteria varied broadly among the strains too, and together with adhesion to Caco-2 cells, this character was used to select potentially probiotic bacteria for the in vivo trial. L. reuteri DSM 12246 showed strong inhibition of all of the pathogenic bacteria tested. This strain is a known producer of reuterin, which could account for this antimicrobial activity.

So... it is antimicrobial (according to this study done on 12 healthy people given 10(exponent)10 twice a day for 18 days). From other research literature I've read, it also populates the intestinal tract fairly quickly (I think it's something like ... after 28 of daily supplementation?). This is good! My intestines definitely need to be repopulated <_<

I was glutened yesterday in a bad way and this morning my tongue was a nasty shade of white. I wonder if being glutened increases the power of the yeast..?

As always - thoughts are welcome :)

- Michelle :wub:

Rachel--24 Collaborator
Rachel--24
Posted
I was glutened yesterday in a bad way and this morning my tongue was a nasty shade of white. I wonder if being glutened increases the power of the yeast..?

- Michelle :wub:

I've been thinking that same thing for awhile now. If I get glutened (badly) my tongue turns white, I become incredibly sensitive to chemicals, perfumes and just about everything I eat. It takes weeks to get back on track. Its not so bad with tiny accidents but I still get those same reactions to a lesser degree. When I start feeling better I can tolerate alot more foods, the chemicals dont bother me nearly as much and my tongue looks normal. I start thinking I dont have problems with yeast but after gluten...and I'm thinking dairy now too...the yeast seem to really make themselves known. :(

Emme999 Enthusiast
Emme999
Posted
  • Author

Okay, found some more (from Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy: Open Original Shared Link

(This is part of the abstract)

Lactobacillus reuteri converts glycerol into a potent cell growth inhibitor. This substance, termed reuterin, inhibits the growth of gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria as well as yeasts, fungi, and protozoa.

After that it gets all technical ;)

Anyway - that's a specific "yeast, fungi" quote though! I wasn't sure if yeast/fungi were covered with the blanket "antimicrobial." But, there you go, they are.

Hopefully I will finally have found something to help me! :)

- Michelle :wub:

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):


  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      131,189
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748
    Eric bell
    Newest Member
    Eric bell
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.4k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):


  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Ginger38
      Food Allergies

      By Ginger38 · Posted

      So I recently had allergy testing for IGE antibodies in response to foods. My test results came back positive to corn, white potatoes, egg whites. Tomatoes, almonds and peanuts to name a few.  I have had obvious reactions to a few of these - particularly tomatoes and corn- both GI issues. I don’t really understand all this allergy versus celiac stuff. If the food allergies are mild do I have to avoid these foods entirely? I don’t know what I will eat if I can’t  have corn based gluten free products 
    • Kris2093u4
      Bread choice for a newbie

      By Kris2093u4 · Posted

      Geography makes a difference.  I'm in the West and Trader Joe's gluten-free bread tastes great and is a better price than most gluten-free breads sold elsewhere in my area.  
    • JForman
      7yo struggling!

      By JForman · Posted

      We have four children (7-14 yo), and our 7 year old was diagnosed with NCGS (though all Celiac labs were positive, her scope at 4 years old was negative so docs in the US won't call it celiac). We have started her on a Gluten Free diet after 3 years of major digestive issues and ruling out just about everything under the sun. Our home and kitchen and myself are all gluten-free. But I have not asked my husband/her dad or her other siblings to go completely gluten-free with us. They are at home, but not out of the home. This has led to situations when we are eating out where she has to consistently see others eating things she can't have and she has begun to say "Well, I can't have <fill in the blank>...stupid gluten."  How have you supported your gluten-free kiddos in the mental health space of this journey, especially young ones like her. I know it's hard for me as an adult sometimes to miss out, so I can't imagine being 7 and dealing with it! Any tips or ideas to help with this? 
    • Jane878
      My mo,ther married a bread making when I was 4

      By Jane878 · Posted

      By the time I was 5 I had my first auto0immune disorder, Migraine headaches, with auras to blind me, and vomiting, sensitivity to light and sound. I was 5 years old, and my stepfather would have pizza night, milling his own flour, making thick cheesy gluten pizza, that I would eat and the next day, I would have serious migraines, and my mother & stepfather did nothing about my medical problems. When I was 17 in my first year at college, I was diagnosed with my 2nd known auto-immune disorder, Meniere's disease. I was a elite athlete, a swimmer, and soccer player. And once again my parents didn't think anything of understanding why I had a disorder only older people get. Now after my mother passed from Alzheimer's disease she also suffered with living with gluten. She had a rash for 30 years that nobody could diagnose. She was itchy for 45 years total. My brother had a encapsulated virus explodes in his spleen and when this happened his entire intestines were covered with adhesions, scar tissue and he almost lost his life. He has 5 daughters, and when I finally was diagnosed after being pregnant and my body went into a cytokine storm, I lost my chance to have children, I ended up having Hashimoto's disease, Degenerative Disc disease, and my body started to shut down during my first trimester. I am 6ft tall and got down to 119lbs. My husband and I went to a special immunologist in Terrace, California. They took 17 vials of blood as we flew there for a day and returned home that evening. In 3 weeks, we had the answer, I have Celiac disease. Once this was known, only my father and husband made efforts to change their way of feeding me. At the family cabin, my stepfather & mother were more worried that I would ruin Thanksgiving Dinner. It wasn't until one of my cousins was diagnosed with Celiac disease. They finally looked into getting Gluten Free flour and taking measures to limit "gluten" in meals. He did nothing but ask for me to pay for my own food and wi-fi when I came to the cabin to stay after our house burned down. When he informed my mother, they proceeding to get into a physical fight and she ended up with a black eye. The is just more trauma for me. Sam had no interest in telling the truth about what he wanted. He lied to my mother that he had asked my husband if I could pay for "food" when he asked Geoffrey if I had money to pay for my wi-fi. My mother hates when he spends so much time on the computer so he lied and said I could pay for my own food. I will remind you I weighed 119lbs at this time. (At 6ft) that is a very sick looking person. Neither parent was worried about my weight, they just fought about how cheap my stepfather was. As my mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease in 2014. He had her sign over the will to a trust and added his children. He had no testimonial capacity at the time, so she signed without proper papers. Making this Trust null and void. When I gave my brother my childhood home, my mother stated I would be getting an equal part of inheritance to the house on Race. It currently worth 2.0 million $. I got nothing, and my stepfather has since disowned me b/c of my claim and he knows that my mother would never have left it uneven between my biological brother and myself. She sat me and my husband down, as we lived at the Race Street house and treated and took care of it as our own. My brother took over b/c he was going through a horrific divorce and needed a home so he could get a better custody deal with his soon to be ex-wife who was a Assist DA for Denver. She used the girls against him, and he & I were the primary caregivers. We, Judd and I spent the most time with them pre the divorce. Once Judd moved into the house, he threw all of my mother, grandmother and my family heirlooms out to the Goodwill. Nobody told my mother about this as she was going through cancer treatment and had Alzheimer's disease in her mother and her sister. My stepfather and biological brother took advantage of this matter, as I called a "family council" that my brother just never could make it to at the last moment. All of the furnishing, kitchen ware, everything was in the house my brother just moved into. He had had 2 weddings, I chose to elope b/c my stepfather ruined my brother's first wedding by talking about his relationship with my brother in front of my dad and his entire family, insulting him and having my grandfather leave the ceremony. It was a disaster. My stepfather just plays dumb and blames my father for the slight. I was the only child not to have a wedding. So, my mother and stepfather never had to pay for a thing. My mother had had an agreement with my father he'd pay for college and all medical issues with their kids, myself and Judd. So truly my mother never had to pay for anything big for me in her entire life. I am looking for anyone that has had a similar story, where they grew up in a household that had a baker that regularly milled flour and ate gluten. What happened to you? DId you suffer from different auto-immune diseases b/c of living with a baker using "gluten" Please let me know. I have been looking into legal ways to get my stepfather to give me what my mother had promised, and he erased. Thank you for listening to my story. Jane Donnelly  
    • trents
      Blood results

      By trents · Posted

      Possibly gluten withdrawal. Lot's of info on the internet about it. Somewhat controversial but apparently gluten plugs into the same neuro sensors as opiates do and some people get a similar type withdrawal as they do when quitting opiates. Another issue is that gluten-free facsimile flours are not fortified with vitamins and minerals as is wheat flour (in the U.S. at least) so when the switch is made to gluten-free facsimile foods, especially if a lot of processed gluten-free foods are being used as substitutes, vitamin and mineral deficiencies can result. There is also the possibility that she has picked up a virus or some but that is totally unrelated to going gluten-free.
×
×
  • Create New...