Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Confused by my blood work results


kg51

Recommended Posts

kg51 Explorer

32F with a lifetime of various digestive upsets, but nothing that's ever been super severe, and nothing that's been consistent throughout. I had a panel done through my primary care doctor and the results popped up in my online account. While I wait to hear back from her (though I'm a little doubtful of her knowledge and will follow up with a GI regardless)...

Immunoglobin A: 216 (range 70-312)

Gliad (Deanidated) Ab IgG: negative

Gliad Deanidated) Ab IgA: negative

Endomysial Antibody IgA by IF: negative <1:10 (range <1:10)

Tissue Transglutaminase Ab IgA: 19.8 (range <15)

Tissue Transglutaminase IgA Qualitative: positive

So I understand that testing the immunoglobin A is to make sure it's normal to rule out the potential for false negatives. Then IgG and IgA and Endomysial Antibody are all negative, but the Tissue Transglutaminase is positive.

Is 19.8 "low positive?" Why are the others negative? Is this still possible/probably celiac disease? 


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



cyclinglady Grand Master
1 hour ago, kg51 said:

32F with a lifetime of various digestive upsets, but nothing that's ever been super severe, and nothing that's been consistent throughout. I had a panel done through my primary care doctor and the results popped up in my online account. While I wait to hear back from her (though I'm a little doubtful of her knowledge and will follow up with a GI regardless)...

Immunoglobin A: 216 (range 70-312)

Gliad (Deanidated) Ab IgG: negative

Gliad Deanidated) Ab IgA: negative

Endomysial Antibody IgA by IF: negative <1:10 (range <1:10)

Tissue Transglutaminase Ab IgA: 19.8 (range <15)

Tissue Transglutaminase IgA Qualitative: positive

So I understand that testing the immunoglobin A is to make sure it's normal to rule out the potential for false negatives. Then IgG and IgA and Endomysial Antibody are all negative, but the Tissue Transglutaminase is positive.

Is 19.8 "low positive?" Why are the others negative? Is this still possible/probably celiac disease? 

Welcome!  

Yes!  Ask for a Gastroenterologist (GI) referral.  A positive on the TTG that is slightly elevated could be celiac disease or another autoimmune disorder.    The blood test is just the first step in the diagnostic process.  Keep consuming gluten until you see a  GI.  Do not think that a slight elevation or “slightly moderate” equates to no intestinal damage.  

The other tests are negative because they are not all are 100% perfect.      I tested positive to only the DGP IgA and my GI labeled me as slightly positive, yet I had moderate to severe patches of intestinal damage.  

 

kg51 Explorer

Is there a Tissue Transglutaminase range for celiac-positive people? Is my 19.8 considered low?

kg51 Explorer

With a positive Tissue Transglutaminase now, even if a future biopsy were negative, is a gluten-free diet recommended? Goodness, I can't wait to talk to my doctor.

Before40 Newbie

Been through hell myself with all this. I went to so many doctors, specialists, etc. I recently found this place and have actually started getting answers. www.lab600.com I just posted in the forum a few minutes ago. Definetly worth checking out.

GFinDC Veteran
1 hour ago, Before40 said:

Been through hell myself with all this. I went to so many doctors, specialists, etc. I recently found this place and have actually started getting answers. www.lab600.com I just posted in the forum a few minutes ago. Definetly worth checking out.

A hair sample can't diagnose celiac disease.  The correct testing includes both blood antibodies and a biopsy via an endoscopy. 

squirmingitch Veteran
On 4/3/2018 at 11:33 AM, kg51 said:

Is there a Tissue Transglutaminase range for celiac-positive people? Is my 19.8 considered low?

It doesn't work that way. Different labs have different reference ranges so one can't judge anything by saying 19.8. That's why we always ask people to list the reference ranges from their paperwork which you did so we didn't have to ask you.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



squirmingitch Veteran
On 4/3/2018 at 11:38 AM, kg51 said:

With a positive Tissue Transglutaminase now, even if a future biopsy were negative, is a gluten-free diet recommended? Goodness, I can't wait to talk to my doctor.

The gold standard for diagnosis is positive blood work combined with positive endoscopic biopsy. Why the biopsy? Because the TtG IgA alone could possibly be indicative of some other AI disease going on such as Chron's. Therefore, in your case, it's best to do the endoscopy & find out if anything else is going on in there -- maybe several things are, maybe not but better to know. Right? After that, then you can consider giving the gluten-free diet a good try if the biopsies are negative for celiac. 

I am going to repeat this b/c it bears repeating. This is VERY important!!!!

CONTINUE TO EAT GLUTEN EVERY SINGLE DAY UNTIL THE ENDOSCOPY HAS BEEN DONE.

cyclinglady Grand Master
On 4/3/2018 at 8:38 AM, kg51 said:

With a positive Tissue Transglutaminase now, even if a future biopsy were negative, is a gluten-free diet recommended? Goodness, I can't wait to talk to my doctor.

Yes, a gluten free diet could be recommended but only after your GI has completed all testing (including the endoscopy).  Why?  Because your GI could miss damaged areas in the small damage as celiac disease can be patchy.  The small intestine is the size of a tennis court when stretched out.  

Squirmingitches comments are spot on, but I think she missed the range.  Your result was a 19 and the cutoff was 15.  Not a super positive, but it is a positive.  You do not know until you have the endoscopy as celiac antibodies elevations do not always correlate with intestinal damage.   

kg51 Explorer
4 hours ago, squirmingitch said:

It doesn't work that way. Different labs have different reference ranges so one can't judge anything by saying 19.8. That's why we always ask people to list the reference ranges from their paperwork which you did so we didn't have to ask you.

I posted the range, it's <15 u/ml.

squirmingitch Veteran

I said you posted the range so we didn't have to ask you. 

Maybe I need to clarify. IF a person came on here & said they tested @ 19.8 & gave no other information then we would have no clue as to whether that was positive or negative. 

OK, maybe you're still asking if the 19.8 is considered low. It's not a matter of it being low as long as it's positive which it is. A positive is a positive is a positive. Don't let a doctor trip you up by saying it's a low positive therefore doesn't mean anything. The only time the actual # means something is if it's off the charts high. Like 100 would be considered off the charts high for a range of <15 or 89 would be off the charts high but normally you don't look at how close to the positive range you tested. If your result was 16, it would STILL be positive & trigger moving to an endoscopic biopsy. 

If I didn't explain that well enough then don't hesitate to ask for clarification.

kg51 Explorer

That was helpful, thank you for your further clarification on your previous comment. I wasn't sure if "a positive is a positive" or not or if a value's closeness to the range mattered.

squirmingitch Veteran

Good, I'm glad I managed to explain that clearly this time. I knew what I meant before but I certainly didn't make it too clear otherwise -- totally hashed it!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - trents replied to SilkieFairy's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      4

      IBS-D vs Celiac

    2. - SilkieFairy replied to SilkieFairy's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      4

      IBS-D vs Celiac

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    4. - Jane02 replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    5. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,336
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Jeffrey Yeres
    Newest Member
    Jeffrey Yeres
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • trents
      No coincidence. Recent revisions to gluten challenge guidelines call for the daily consumption of at least 10g of gluten (about the amount in 4-6 slices of wheat bread) for a minimum of 3 weeks. If possible, I would extend that two weeks to ensure valid testing.
    • SilkieFairy
      Thank you both for the replies. I decided to bring back gluten so I can do the blood test. Today is Day #2 of the Challenge. Yesterday I had about 3 slices of whole wheat bread and I woke up with urgent diarrhea this morning. It was orange, sandy and had the distinctive smell that I did not have when I was briefly gluten free. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but the brain fog is back and I feel very tired.   
    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jane02,  I take Naturewise D 3.  It contains olive oil.   Some Vitamin D supplements, like D Drops, are made with fractionated coconut oil which can cause digestive upsets.  Fractionated coconut oil is not the same as coconut oil used for cooking.  Fractionated coconut oil has been treated for longer shelf life, so it won't go bad in the jar, and thus may be irritating to the digestive system. I avoid supplements made with soy because many people with Celiac Disease also react to soy.  Mixed tocopherols, an ingredient in Thornes Vitamin D, may be sourced from soy oil.  Kirkland's has soy on its ingredient list. I avoid things that might contain or be exposed to crustaceans, like Metagenics says on its label.  I have a crustacean/shellfish/fish allergy.  I like Life Extension Bioactive Complete B Complex.  I take additional Thiamine B 1 in the form Benfotiamine which helps the intestines heal, Life Extension MegaBenfotiamine. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D.   Low thiamine can make one feel like they are getting glutened after a meal containing lots of simple carbohydrates like white rice, or processed gluten free foods like cookies and pasta.   It's rare to have a single vitamin deficiency.  The water soluble B Complex vitamins should be supplemented together with additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) to correct subclinical deficiencies that don't show up on blood tests.  These are subclinical deficiencies within organs and tissues.  Blood is a transportation system.  The body will deplete tissues and organs in order to keep a supply of thiamine in the bloodstream going to the brain and heart.   If you're low in Vitamin D, you may well be low in other fat soluble vitamins like Vitamin A and Vitamin K. Have you seen a dietician?
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.