Quakers Corn Meal

[danikali]

Just wondering if quakers corn meal is safe. I ate it on two days ago and since I've had it, I have some stomach aches and back aches again............maybe I am intolerant to corn? My Mom made it (who I have trouble trusting with all of this to be honest) and she also made it with a little bit of corn oil...........

Also, she told me she "heard" kellogs rice crispies are gluten free. I didn't eat any, but are they anyway? Just wondering.......

What do you think?

[dlp252]

This is just a guess (I don't know for sure), but one of the problems with oats processed in the US is cross-contamination...I'm guessing that that might also be a problem with corn meal (or possibly any other products) produced by those companies. [ETA: I am assuming, maybe incorrectly, that Quakers is the same company that does the oats.)

[danikali]

No, you're right. That's the Quakers I'm talking about. Hmm...maybe that's it. It's so crazy. I feel like I can't eat anything these days without getting cross contaminated! Thanks, though.

[jenvan]

You could try another brand of corn meal to experiment. Personally, corn meal would just about kill me--corn gives me terrible terrible stomaches...so that might be one thing to look into...Can you eat other forms of corn? popcorn, corn chips?

[danikali]

You could try another brand of corn meal to experiment. Personally, corn meal would just about kill me--corn gives me terrible terrible stomaches...so that might be one thing to look into...Can you eat other forms of corn? popcorn, corn chips?

Actually, I usually don't eat corn at all, no pop corn and I've been staying away from processed foods so I don't eat chips at all these days. But I did have some stomach problems after gluten free cake and I just thought about it now; the cornmeal and there was also corn oil in the cake, that is the kind of oil my Mom had (I went home for the holidays to Chicago), so that is the kind I used to make the cake. Soooo, it is very possible.

Haha, it's funny because I've been thinking about this corn thing, and my fiance just called to tell me he left work early today and he'll do the shopping. So I read him my list and said veggetables, ANYTHING BUT CORN, NO CORN. So then I asked him to read it back to me and of course the first veggetable he states is CORN. hahaha.....I'm finding out I can't tolerate a lot of the common intolerances these days:dairy, soy, some nuts and corn! And of course, gluten. Anyone else find that?

[jerseyangel]

Hi Dani--I also find that I can not tolerate eggs, corn, soy, dairy, almonds, tapioca flour, and I find that I do better without rice. The rice is the toughie! I hope that the list is now complete, or else I will have nothing left to eat! Also, its commonly accepted here that Quaker oats are contaminated, so it would make sense that their cornmeal would be too.

[Rachel--24]

Also, she told me she "heard" kellogs rice crispies are gluten free. I didn't eat any, but are they anyway? Just wondering.......

Rice Krispies are not gluten free. The only gluten-free mainstream cereals are Cocoa Pebbles & Fruity Pebbles.

[jenvan]

I also found I had a host of food intolerances after getting dxed with Celiac...that is fairly common it seems

[danikali]

I also found I had a host of food intolerances after getting dxed with Celiac...that is fairly common it seems

Does anyone know when your body stops creating new food intolerances? And are you able to introduce some of them back into your diet in time? And if so, how long?

[jerseyangel]

Does anyone know when your body stops creating new food intolerances? And are you able to introduce some of them back into your diet in time? And if so, how long?

Thats a good question. I look forward to everyone's opinion.

[Guest Viola]

I haven't eaten any Quaker products since I found puffed wheat in with the puffed rice years ago. And the bag did say 100% puffed rice

I've been gluten free for almost 17 years now. I used to be Dairy intollerant as well, but can now eat almost all dairy products as long as I don't pig out on them

Corn was also a problem, but I can now eat small amounts of gluten-free corn flakes, fresh corn out of the garden and any amount of pop corn.

So, Yes, I think some of your intollerances will go away as your intestine and stomach heals. But you must introduce these food in tiny amounts to start with and go from there.

This is a learning experience, and once you start to feel better you will actually find that it is an interesting disease, as well as challenging and sometimes frustrating

[jerseyangel]

Thanks, Shirley--just to know that I may be able to eat popcorn again is great!

[jenvan]

I think other food issues can be confusing. I have food intolerances I tested positive for, like dairy, eggs, soy etc. And I have other foods like corn, turkey and chocolate that were negative on the food intol. test but produce very strong symptoms. Something helpful for you Dani would be to read about Leaky Gut Syndrome...that is what occurs in several diseases and disorders, including Celiac, that allow certain foods to escape thru the intestinal barrier into the blood stream, thus causing your body to create antibodies to them b/c they end up in places they shouldn't be. I haven't seen any concrete research or answers on this yet, but from what I've read, some intolerances can disappear, like some have experienced here, and some can linger. That may also be due to lack of complete healing. I have seen some improvement in intols in myself so far...but some of the firm ones, like dairy...might not go away. Dairy can need more investigating too b/c some initially confuse lactose intol. with casein intol. Guess that wasn't a straight forward answer In conclusion, I'd say some should go away as healing increases, if they are a result of leaky gut, but some may stick around like gluten intolerance. Like I said, this is a bit of a shady area as far as research goes and some theories are still be investigated...

[jerseyangel]

Jen--So you react to some things that didn't show up on the test? What I'm thinking, after hearing what happened with you and Shirley, is that I should wait a while longer (maybe in 5-6 months, which will be a year gluten-free for me) and one at a time introduce small amounts of things and just guage it that way. When you say that you have had some improvemant, are you able to eat the foods on a regular basis, or do you only try them once in a while? Thanks

[danikali]

Okay, so, this extra intolerance deal doesn't just happen to people with non-celiac gluten sensitivity, right? I'm sorry to be a little bit dissapointed in Dr. Green again, but because no doctors have proven yet that I have Celiac damage (I have only gotten a positive test from enterolab for gluten sensitivity and had positive results on the diet) to my small intestine, he sounded like he did not believe in gluten sensitivity. The feeling I got from him was, if you don't have celiac disease, you have "IBS," in which case you should take this zelnorm. Unless we can prove otherwise, you should not worry about gluten and what you eat. (Although I will never EVER go back to eating gluten from the way it makes me feel).....anyway, I asked him why he didn't believe in it, or didn't know if he did, and he said because eventually you have to take out dairy, then corn, then all of a sudden, you can't have soy, etc.

But from what I am gathering here on Celiac.com, even PROVEN celiacs have other food intolerances......am I right?

I'm just finding this interesting because I keep referring back to the appointment I reccently had with the famous doctor two weeks ago because he made me worry again that there was more going on with me because if I don't have celiac disease, that they can prove, then I don't have anything but IBS and pain to deal with my whole life.

Anyway, I don't mean to bash the Dr. because he was a lot nicer than a lot of the doctors, I'm just trying to say that it's good to know that I have this website where I can get feedback and info. and life experiences from actual people and not from doctors who don't actually go through this themselves. I have taken all of my offending intolerances out of my diet, and I am doing 95% better. To me that means something.

But it's good to know that I may not have ALL of these intolerances for the rest of my life. But if I do, I don't care anymore. As long as I have some good whole food to eat, and I'm healthy, I'm happy.

I do have one more question though; this leaky gut thing, is it CAUSED by being gluten sensitive and not knowing it for years? Does eating gluten actually cause the leaky gut problem? Or does something else cause it and gluten is just the first intolerance to be formed BY the leaky gut. What I'm asking is, which comes first?

[Guest Viola]

Yes, give yourself some time to heal and then try a little at a time, (at least a year on the diet). Try perhaps one intollerant a week, you wouldn't want to put them too close together or you wouldn't know which you were reacting to.

I now eat Dairy on a daily basis and corn two or three times a week, without problems. Corn, of course is a high fibre vegetable, so you may have a looser bowel to start with, so you'll need to decide if it's causing a reaction, or you are just adjusting to the extra fiber.

This diet is very much a trial and error thing. If after a year you try a bit of popcorn, and it bothers you, then leave it alone for another say six months and try again. Don't give up the first time.

[Rachel--24]

I do have one more question though; this leaky gut thing, is it CAUSED by being gluten sensitive and not knowing it for years? Does eating gluten actually cause the leaky gut problem? Or does something else cause it and gluten is just the first intolerance to be formed BY the leaky gut. What I'm asking is, which comes first?

Which came first? Its impossible to know for sure.

Leaky gut can be caused by a wide range of things...not just gluten. Gluten intolerance can be the cause or the effect. I would recommend reading Dangerous Grains. It can probably answer alot of questions you might have as far as that goes.

[danikali]

Which came first? Its impossible to know for sure.

Leaky gut can be caused by a wide range of things...not just gluten. Gluten intolerance can be the cause or the effect. I would recommend reading Dangerous Grains. It can probably answer alot of questions you might have as far as that goes.

I actually read Dangerous Grains, but I didn't know that that question was answered in there.........oh well, I guess it doesn't matter though........but does anyone know if gluten intolerance ever goes away? For example, say in 5 years or so, will I be able to eat it again regularly?

[Katydid]

Just wondering if quakers corn meal is safe. I ate it on two days ago and since I've had it, I have some stomach aches and back aches again............maybe I am intolerant to corn? My Mom made it (who I have trouble trusting with all of this to be honest) and she also made it with a little bit of corn oil...........

Also, she told me she "heard" kellogs rice crispies are gluten free. I didn't eat any, but are they anyway? Just wondering.......

What do you think?

Just FYI - my celiac husband always loved grits, and for a long time he got along fine with Quaker's brand; then they started bothering him. After 2 or 3 reactions, he was sure it was the grits, so he called the company. The response he received was that the same machinery was used for gluten products as for the grits. The individual he spoke to said probably the reason they hadn't bothered him previously is that his box was probably filled towards the end of the batch and thus the machinery was self cleaned (with grits) by then.....and that the reason they started bothering him was probably because his new box was filled in the earlier part of the batch when there may still been particles of gluten in the machinery.

Just thought I'd pass this on as a possible reason for your problem with Quakers corn meal.

[jerseyangel]

Hi Katydid--The response you got from Quaker reaffirms what I have been thinking about products made in a factory that also uses gluten. There have been a few things that seemed fine at first, but after using them a while and having to buy more, I would get a reaction. That happened with Barbara's Puffins Cereal, and a few other things. It makes sense that if they hadn't used gluten on the line for a while, that most of it would have worn off to the point where it wouldn't cause a reaction. This is important for the more newly DX especially, because a person could think that they were becoming intolorant to a food (say, the ingred. in the cereal) when (in this case) it was the way that food was processed that was the problem.

[danikali]

Thanks ladies, that's a good point. I guess Quakers is a no-no now, but not because of the corn, necessarily. It could have been contaminated......so now that my stomach has been better for about a week now, I will try plain old corn and see what happens.

[Guest Viola]

Dani, if you like it, also try some popcorn ... I use an air popper, but I think there are gluten free micro ones out there.

Popcorn is grown a little differently from regular eating corn and it has a lower protien level. It's great for snacking if you don't have any problems with it.

[danikali]

Dani, if you like it, also try some popcorn ... I use an air popper, but I think there are gluten free micro ones out there.

Popcorn is grown a little differently from regular eating corn and it has a lower protien level. It's great for snacking if you don't have any problems with it.

Thanks for the tip Shirley......I love popcorn!!!!

[jerseyangel]

Popcorn is grown a little differently from regular eating corn and it has a lower protien level. It's great for snacking if you don't have any problems with it.

I never knew that! More good news about popcorn