Basco Cake Mix?

[teemaree]

I was excited yesterday about baking a cake , because I have not had a cake since going gluten free..

I had seen basco advertised here, so I thought yeah!!!!! I will give this a go...

it was so delicious... even my family got into eating it... it tasted so good... but 30 minutes later I had bad reactions... and awoke this morning with headaches and feeling blahhh ...

It seems everytime I try to introduce something new and exciting into my diet, I suffer for it!

and the most annoying thing is, I don't know why?... what ingredents are causing the reactions...

Seems all I can eat is vegetables and meat and salads...

it's so depresssing when you get all excited about eating something that is actually yummy.... and then having bad reactions, when you believed it was safe....

it does scare you off trying anything different from fruit and veg and meat....

and I want to find something that will help me gain weight!

what was the likely culprit in this?

cake mix by Basco... Gluten free,

sugar,maizeflour,vegetable oil, maize starch,glucose syrup,solids from maize, raising agents, emulsifiers, soy lecithin 471 477 natural flavour, vegetable gum, xanthan anticaking agent, antitoxidant 306 from soy.

[mushroom]

I am assuming you're not bothered by soy or corn. If not, the anti-caking agent could be the problem--who knows what that is!!! Natural flavors and anti-caking agents are always likely culprits, but Basco is supposed to be okay. I have tried some of their mixes myself. Don't know.

[teemaree]

That is the problem, I don't know what I'm illergic too?

I haven't been able to figure out... but now that you mention it, it could be the soy?

I have heard that you can eat some soys?... what ones can you eat and can't eat?

I don't think it's the corn because I have eaten other products that have corn in them without reaction...

but I think you are right about the soy (that seems to be under many headings and I'm not sure what is the safe ones).... and seems that soy is in everything?.....

[mushroom]

I can't handle soy in any of it's forms--and you're right, it seems like it is in everything

[mushroom]

I really can't handle any soy at all; I run a mile from it And as you say, it is pretty pervasive, darn it.

[ang1e0251]

What is the vegetable gum? After having a very bad reaction, I went back to my cookbook to read about each ingredient in the gluten-free food I had eaten. I had quite a bit of guar gum in it which my book says has a laxative affect and should be avoided by anyone with D as a symptom. Doink!! Well I will be throwing that away!!

Hope you figure that one out. Sometimes it feels like we're on CSI but without the equipment.

[teemaree]

ROTFLMAO.....

CSI, WITHOUT THE EQUIPTMENT!.....

I couldn't have put it better... you are so right!...

the thing is different ingredients effect different people also?...

I just saw this cake mix ... and I'm wondering if the ingredients in this will effect me?...

I am still suffering badly from the basco, I wish this would wear off....

I so hate this feeling!~

anyway this is the orgran mix , this one doesn't have soy... but do I trust it?

Ingredients: raw sugar, rice flour, maize starch, potato starch, maize flour, dextrose from maize, raising agents: sodium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate, monoglycerides from vegetable, salt, natural vanilla flavour 0.4%, vegetable gums: carboxymethylcellulose, carrageenan, guar gum.

What is the vegetable gum? After having a very bad reaction, I went back to my cookbook to read about each ingredient in the gluten-free food I had eaten. I had quite a bit of guar gum in it which my book says has a laxative affect and should be avoided by anyone with D as a symptom. Doink!! Well I will be throwing that away!!

yikes don't think I will give this one ago... as it has guar gum, the very same ingredient that the book says is a laxative

[teemaree]

ahhh okay!!!.... the CSI detective in me has discovered a few things about soy, that I never knew!

I found this amazing web page.......

and now I understand why you have a reaction to guar gum....

and I am looking at the lists on this site thinking these ingredients seem to be in everything!

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Next to look for

[ang1e0251]

Interesting read. I don't think I react to all soy on that list as I drink soy milk and use many of those prodects without a problem. But.. the guar gum is a big no-no for me. I've never noticed a problem with MSG but I avoid it. With spices, I just try to stick to single ingredient spices. That's worked for me.

And you're right, different people react to different things. We have to ferret out what foods we don't do well with as individuals. So, again, don't trust the gluten-free label blindly. Always read labels and keep track of what bothers you in particular. Write it on your calendar or memo it into your cell phone, if you need to until you're used to it. If you're still stumped, ask on this forum and someone will help you figure it out.

Good sleuthing to you!!

[teemaree]

okay I definately now know it's soy, causing a major problem with me...

I have only just started get over mt reaction to the cake, and have been ever so carefull about what I was eating, ensuring I ate nothing different, meat, fruit and veg,,,,,

but I got hungry tonight, and opened a pack of rice crackers.....

it clearly stated all over the pack gluten free.............and I had tried another brand of this rice crackers before without any reaction, So I ate away freely.......

Then 30 minutes later, it felt like a punching match going on in my stomach..........

it's grumbling and rumbling like crazy!...........

I thought , gosh I grabbed the packet of rice crackers to see the ingredients....

and whammo................there it is..................

rice flour,seasoning (sugar, salt, soy sauce powder.....contains ,hydrolysed wheat ,flavour

I am so angry!!!!!!!!!I never thought in a million years they would put soy sauce in plain original rice crackers...

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr will I ever get use to this...............

I hope I don't awaken in the morning with gluten head....I hate that feeling!

The brand of rice crackers are "FANTASTIC" BE WARE!....they sure aren't too fantastic to me!

[mindwiped]

okay I definately now know it's soy, causing a major problem with me...

I have only just started get over mt reaction to the cake, and have been ever so carefull about what I was eating, ensuring I ate nothing different, meat, fruit and veg,,,,,

but I got hungry tonight, and opened a pack of rice crackers.....

it clearly stated all over the pack gluten free.............and I had tried another brand of this rice crackers before without any reaction, So I ate away freely.......

Then 30 minutes later, it felt like a punching match going on in my stomach..........

it's grumbling and rumbling like crazy!...........

I thought , gosh I grabbed the packet of rice crackers to see the ingredients....

and whammo................there it is..................

rice flour,seasoning (sugar, salt, soy sauce powder.....contains ,hydrolysed wheat ,flavour

I am so angry!!!!!!!!!I never thought in a million years they would put soy sauce in plain original rice crackers...

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr will I ever get use to this...............

I hope I don't awaken in the morning with gluten head....I hate that feeling!

The brand of rice crackers are "FANTASTIC" BE WARE!....they sure aren't too fantastic to me!

If these have soy sauce, with hydrolysed wheat, how can they be gluten free?? Are you in the UK? I know they have what they call codex wheat, which is supposedly gluten free, however is only gluten extra-light. You maybe what I hear people on the UK based boards refer to as a celiac with a wheat intolerance (seems silly to me as wheat=gluten). A lot of the UK prescription foods are supposedly the best tasting gluten-free mixes ever, because they have codex wheat flour in them, which means a small population of celiac's will still react to the gluten-free items and have to maintain a gluten-free/wf diet

[teemaree]

Gluten Free Snacks - Fantastic Rice Crackers Original 100g (A ... Fantastic Rice Crackers Original 100g (A) Gluten Free Gluten Free Snacks -

Mindwiped, you are so right!....

how could it be gluten free?

Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein - A protein from wheat which has been turned partly into water through hydrolysis. Proteins are the nitrogen carrying constituents of living cells. Protein treatments are said to be beneficial to hair and skin.

So really hydrolyzed wheat is an extract from wheat?

This is so wrong!....

The way they misrepresent, like you said...

Wheat =gluten

Well that's what I was lead to believe?.....

So they call a wheat product another name?... and it changes it from having gluten or other reactive substances?

I live in Australia and I really thought they were quite stringent on labeling, apparently they aren't?

and I just found this statement from Fantastic snacks

Fantastic Snacks policy:

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[mindwiped]

I think Australia does the codex wheat as well as the UK, but I've been wrong before. If it's codex, some celiacs tolerate it, but many do not, and you may well be one that doesn't. I also know some of the UK celiacs say that they are both celiac and wheat intolerant, so the codex is not safe for them. Personally I don't know how a company can claim to have made wheat gluten free and still have it resemble and act like wheat.

[teemaree]

yeah well it's pretty clear by this... that it has wheat...

Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein - A protein from wheat which has been turned partly into water through hydrolysis. Proteins are the nitrogen carrying constituents of living cells.

Here is something else.....

my husband went out shopping and came home with another "fantastic" product that had GLUTEN FREE...all over it.... he didn't read the ingredients , just saw the gluten free on the packaging...

I said Don't trust them.... I bet there is harmful things in this....

It was "fantastic" glass noodles....in a cup, that put boiling water in...

Again big clear signage on box GLUTEN FREE!!!

you check the ingredients

mung bean starch

salt, chicken flavour,soy,flavour enhancers E62,E627 E631herbs, spices,sugar maltodextin, yeast extract

So the flavour enhancers seem to be msg and so does the maltodextin, and yeast is a no no....

I am going to check up the laws on labeling here.... they are representing themself as being helpful to celiacs , but yet they aren't?

it doesn't seem right!....

[mushroom]

I will NEVER buy a Fantastic product; trouble is Dh keeps coming home with them. He brings them in, I throw them out. I keep telling him, only Sakata, and even then you have to read the label for the flavoured ones.

[teemaree]

Mushroom, when you eat Sakata rice crackers , plain ...Do you have no reactions?...

See that was my down fall, I bought fantastic because they were on special and just assumed they were pretty much the same thing, I had sakata plain rice crackers at a party, and they didn't seem to effect me at all.

Husbands are sweet though ... trying to be helpful with gluten free stuff for us...

I did explain last night to mine , that Fantastic products aren't to be trusted , because of the other ingredients they throw in there... what appears fine saying gluten free, isn't always as it seems...

Thank you for posting and letting me know that you also have had the same problems with their stuff...and that you don't eat their items.

I certainly will steer clear of their products in future.

Mushroom, have you tried coles own brand mild salsa?...... I also discovered that at the same party, it doesn't have gluten free writen on the package, but I checked the ingredients and gave it a try, and it was great!.... nice and tasty.. no reactions.

Also my husband came home with some crunchy coconut biscuts made by freedom food, you get them from woolworths,gluten ,wheat, dairy free.....

I tried a couple of them last night... and they seemed good.... no gut reactions to them.

[mushroom]

Mushroom, have you tried coles own brand mild salsa?...... I also discovered that at the same party, it doesn't have gluten free writen on the package, but I checked the ingredients and gave it a try, and it was great!.... nice and tasty.. no reactions.

Also my husband came home with some crunchy coconut biscuts made by freedom food, you get them from woolworths,gluten ,wheat, dairy free.....

I tried a couple of them last night... and they seemed good.... no gut reactions to them.

We don't get all the same products here that you have over there, e.g., no Coles. I wouldn't eat the salsa anyway as I'm on no nightshades (hope it's not permanent).

As for the freedom food, I'm not sure. I first found out how reactive I was to Soy by buying biscuits from Woolworths, but they were "Free From", not sure if that is the same co. Anyway, they were loaded with soy; Dh can still eat them because soy doesn't bother him. I have to pay through the nose if I want a bought cookie. Our gluten free bakery sells five for $4.00 (but they are good!) and also makes a good tray of fudge brownies.) Most all the other gluten free biscuits of any kind have soy, except for the Orgran biscotti which I like with my coffee.

By the way, I do not have any reaction to Sakata except some flavours have soy in them.

[teemaree]

These are the ingredients in the salasa....

tomatoes diced hydrated capsicum, rehydrated onions,salt, sugar,acidity regulator,rehydrated peppers,spices and garlic.

mushroom where are you at?

[mushroom]

These are the ingredients in the salasa....

tomatoes diced hydrated capsicum, rehydrated onions,salt, sugar,acidity regulator,rehydrated peppers,spices and garlic.

mushroom where are you at?

These are the things I can currently not eat: tomatoes, capsicum, peppers. If you check my info, I am in Christchurch, NZ.

On a positive note, I made a wonderful white lasagne last night using silver beet instead of spinach (also a no-no) with mushrooms (of course!), onion, garlic, ricotta, egg, fresh herbs, mozzarella and parmesan with a bechamel sauce made with Lactaid milk. Lots of leftovers too. Yum!

[amber]

The labelling laws in Australia are some of the strictest in the world. If a product is labelled gluten free then it has been tested by the food testsing authorities to be gluten free.

There are products that have wheat on the label but are in fact gluten free. For example I assume you know that glucose syrup from wheat, caramel from wheat and dextrose from wheat are gluten free as there is no detectable gluten.

Another example is Fountain Soy Sauce. It says gluten free on the label but you will see wheat as one of the ingredients. The gluten free label overrides anything else on the ingredients list. Again, the product has been processed so there is no detectable gluten.

Are you a member of your local coeliac society. If not I suggest you join as they can give you any advice you need.

We have used Basco cake mixes for ages and they are definately gluten free. There may be another ingredient in it that you are sensitive too.

I will investigate the Fantastic rice cracker situation. I work at the coeliac society and will check when I next go in.

[teemaree]

hmmm.... there must be definately something in the basco that I can't have...must be the soy.

Because it really knocked me around badly...

Thank you also for looking into the Fantastic thing for me...

Does soy contain any kind of gluten ?

As yet I haven't joined the coeliac society, do you know if there is one in Gosford?

I see my doctor on the 10th of march,he may know of one and even suggest it. He is very up there with Coeliac, he appears to have a lot of knowledge on it all.

Mushroom that lasagna sound lovely!!!!

[mushroom]

Does soy contain any kind of gluten ?

Most soy sauce is made from wheat except for Tamari, and I believe La Choy which is probably only available in the U.S. Otherwise soy is gluten free. I just happen to be really sensitive to soy.

[amber]

hmmm.... there must be definately something in the basco that I can't have...must be the soy.

Because it really knocked me around badly...

Thank you also for looking into the Fantastic thing for me...

Does soy contain any kind of gluten ?

As yet I haven't joined the coeliac society, do you know if there is one in Gosford?

I see my doctor on the 10th of march,he may know of one and even suggest it. He is very up there with Coeliac, he appears to have a lot of knowledge on it all.

Mushroom that lasagna sound lovely!!!!

You would join the NSW Coeliac society. There is usually a local area representative for each of the country locations that you can contact. Each state has their own society but there are regional local contacts which the NSW society will put you on to.

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[ang1e0251]

hmmm.... there must be definately something in the basco that I can't have...must be the soy.Because it really knocked me around badly...

I wouldn't jump to the soy conclusion until you find out if the "natural gum" is guar gum. I repeat, guar gum is a laxative and makes me sick as a dog. You don't want to cut out soy if it really isn't the problem. You can call the company.