Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Can Eating Gluten Cause Damage?


bp1000

Recommended Posts

bp1000 Newbie

Hello

Forgive my lack of understanding. I don't have coeliac disease myself but my baby going on toddler does. She's been living with it very well for the past year and we have never had an episode at home with any reactions.

Unfortunately she's had 3 reactions at daycare despite them knowing about her condition. She will vomit continuously each time she eats gluten, the final time is just some saliva and perhaps a tiny bit of food, we know it's over and she's happy and wanting to eat more food and running around.

My concern is, does eating gluten cause her any damage to lead to other medical complications or increase risks.

i'm going to stick my neck out here and say i've been worried it could increase the risk of bowel problems, maybe even increase risk of bowel cancer, stomach cancer, diabetes etc. This perhaps shows my complete lack of understanding but i would like to find out at least.

Thanks!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



RacerX35 Rookie

I don't have celiac, but am gluten sensitive. I din't find this out until my mid thirties. The way I found out was due to developing epilepsy and following a suggestion to check into gluten sensitivity. So I guess that answer from me is, yes. I believe that gluten can cause damage. To what extent to the individual, I am not sure. I nor anyone in my family had any thought that I may have this sensitivty to gluten and I had a "normal" life until the epilepsy started. From what I found out about my condition (which is called hippocampal sclerosis)is that the processing or lack of (I don't know how to describe it) of gluten affects a calcification at the occipital lobe of the brain, which then causes a deteriorization of the hippocampus (right side in my case) that progresses over time, usually the early to mid thirties. I don't think that this particular thing would happen to people that are already diagnosed with celiac though, but I'm sure some other kind of damage can be caused over time if things are not carefully whatched over.

Good luck to you,

Ray

kitgordon Explorer

I am quite sure that eating gluten does increase her risk of developing cancers and other celiac-related conditions if she has celiac disease. I imagine it is very hard to keep her from eating gluten in daycare since she isn't old enough to know what she can and can't have, but I would keep working toward a solution to keep her completely gluten free.

Good luck!

ArcticLotus Newbie

Many individuals with Celiac and Migraine experience that their migraines are minimized or cured by a gluten free diet. Studies show that migraines are linked to lesions on the brain, significantly raising risk of developing Alzheimer or experiencing stroke.

Eating gluten will likely (though it seams not always) cause damage to the villi in her small intestines, preventing her growing body from taking in the all nutrients she needs. Without a gluten-free diet, she may get sick often, and have stunted growth.

The more research you do, the more you find may be linked to this condition. Since she is young and growing, and is already diagnosed, it may be best to not take any chances. Give her the best chances of growing up strong and healthy and make sure her diet is gluten free now.

You may need to print out information on Celiac to give to the daycare attendants to be sure that they understand the seriousness of the situation.

On the plus side, there are lots of delicious gluten free foods and snacks, so it's not as though she has to grow up without cookies and cake :)

ArcticLotus Newbie

Also, sorry, just remembered.

Has she been tested for any other food allergies or sensitivities?

Many people with Celiac are also either lactose intolerant or are outright allergic to dairy. Soy is also a common offender for many people.

Neither of these will cause villi damage to the best of my knowledge, but they each come with their own bag of worms.

My husband has a severe dairy allergy. He was colicky as a baby. In his mid 20's he experienced a throat constriction due to Eosinophilic Esophagitis, which made his throat hurt and tighten so much he couldn't eat anything but liquids, until he had surgery and discovered his allergy. Now he eats faster than I do.

Soy is a very good source of nutrition for those not sensitive to it. For those of us that are, it causes symptoms from brain fog and migraine to vomiting.

Best of luck to you and your little one.

Takala Enthusiast

Over time, continuously eating gluten does cause risk. In a way, your daughter is lucky that she reacts obviously enough that it cannot be missed as her body rejects it, otherwise, she could be eating gluten and nobody would know it.

For us older adults who were not reacting in the "classical" sense, and who did not get diagnosed or figure it out until after decades of damage, now that we have been off of it for a long time, we are acutely aware of our non - traditional reactions, even if the medical community over on this side of the pond (U.S.) is still fumbling around a bit.

Eating gluten, for celiacs, (or gluten intolerants) can cause an auto immune reaction in which the body slowly attacks its own tissues. This "silent" damage can be just as devastating as the obvious classic ones of vomiting, intestinal upset. It can cause heartburn. It can cause lack of balance and coordination issues. It can cause brain damage, aka "bright spots." It can cause vision problems. It can cause increased chances of having asthma or other allergic reactions. It can make one very sleepy or feel very lethargic "brain fog." It can depress thyroid function. It also seems to be linked to type 1 diabetes onset. (All of these problems will obviously affect the ability to learn and do well at school or work) In the future, it can affect how her reproductive organs function, such as decreased fertility or having cystic ovaries. It can make one's bones too thin.

We adults are always afraid of "cancer." But that is mostly an older person's disease.... But the overall crashing fatigue issues, brain fog, the thyroid issues, and lack of well being can also be a lifestyle wrecker. Especially when we are in such a competitive world, expected to be able to remember lots of information, and interact with a lot of different rules and restrictions.

Some kids like the adults, when they get older, will get really tired and irritable when they get glutened- who needs the extra hassle ? It could be worse in a school situation, where the teachers are tending to blame it on a behavioral problem.

bp1000 Newbie

Thanks for the advice

Yes she has had all the tests and they found evidence of the problems in her gut effecting her development. She had 6 months of diagnosis when she was one and a half, and this delayed her development physically, slightly. She is about 1 or 2 cm's shorter than her piers and at the time had a severe lack of energy and began loosing weight.

Her belly was distended and it was putting in the bath one day that i didn't think something was right. About a month later they were still doing tests and she began vomiting back up her foods occasionally. They put it down to teething or the way her bowel was developing. Anyway, we got it sorted in the end after about 6 months.

As far as we know she is fine with all other foods, loves milk, dairy etc.

My only concern is what gluten can do to her. I know you have all said it can lead to complications, but are we talking a continuous supply of gluten that can cause cancer and lifestyle issues or are we talking even a tiny amount. It is very hard to quantify.

Cheers,


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



love2travel Mentor

I read recently on one study that 1/100th of one peanut can be enough gluten to begin to cause damage (or about two breadcrumbs) but it is cumulative. Aside from increasing various cancer risks, gluten is definitely linked to infertility and miscarriages as well as other auto-immune diseases.

I believe it was Sylvia here who recommends "Celiac for Dummies" which I also read which can be a helpful book in understanding the extent of damage and the problems it can cause. BUT that is for those with undiagnosed celiac disease; once diagnosed apparently and strictly following the gluten-free diet most of our guts would look the same as a normal gut in approximately two to five years' time (less for children).

Skylark Collaborator

My only concern is what gluten can do to her. I know you have all said it can lead to complications, but are we talking a continuous supply of gluten that can cause cancer and lifestyle issues or are we talking even a tiny amount. It is very hard to quantify.

If she is getting into gluten regularly enough to cause her TTG to rise or even slight villous damage, there is a danger of cancer and other autoimmune diseases. If her antibodies are at zero and her villi are healed on followup biopsy, my understanding from the scientific literature is that she doesn't have any increased risk of cancer or other celiac-related problems. (Malnutrition, developmental problems, other autoimmune diseases.)

Unfortunately, that threshold is different for every person with celiac disease. Some celiacs react to as little as 10 mg gluten/day while others can tolerate over 500 mg. It generally does take 2-3 months of daily gluten exposure to get a complete relapse so it is unlikely that her infrequent gluten exposures are doing any long-term harm. The best way to tell if her lifestyle in general is working is for her doctor to do followup antibody testing. This is pretty standard care for celiacs anyway.

I assume you have followed up with the daycare people and made sure they understand that gluten is dangerous for people with celiac disease.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      131,963
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    AlissaW
    Newest Member
    AlissaW
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Scott Adams
      If black seed oil is working for his Afib, stick to it, but if not, I can say that ablation therapy is no big deal--my mother was out of the procedure in about 1 hour and went home that evening, and had zero negative effects from the treatment. PS - I would recommend that your husband get an Apple watch to monitor his Afib--there is an app and it will take readings 24/7 and give reports on how much of the time he's in it. Actual data like this should be what should guide his treatment.
    • Jacki Espo
      This happened to me as well. What’s weirder is that within a couple hours of taking paxlovid it subsided. I thought maybe I got glutened but after reading your post not so sure. 
    • Mari
      Hi Tiffany. Thank you for writing your dituation and  circumstancesin such detail and so well writte, too. I particularly noticed what you wrote about brain for and feeling like your brain is swelling and I know from my own experiences that's how it feel and your brain really does swell and you get migraines.    Way back when I was in my 20s I read a book by 2 MD allergist and they described their patient who came in complaining that her brain, inside her cranium, was swelling  and it happened when she smelled a certain chemical she used in her home. She kept coming back and insisting her brain actually swelled in her head. The Drs couldn't explain this problem so they, with her permission, performed an operation where they made a small opening through her cranium, exposed her to the chemical then watched as she brain did swell into the opening. The DRs were amazed but then were able to advise her to avoid chemicals that made her brain swell. I remember that because I occasionally had brain fog then but it was not a serious problem. I also realized that I was becoming more sensitive to chemicals I used in my work in medical laboratories. By my mid forties the brain fog and chemicals forced me to leave my  profession and move to a rural area with little pollution. I did not have migraines. I was told a little later that I had a more porous blood brain barrier than other people. Chemicals in the air would go up into my sinused and leak through the blood brain barrier into my brain. We have 2 arteries  in our neck that carry blood with the nutrients and oxygen into the brain. To remove the fluids and used blood from the brain there are only capillaries and no large veins to carry it away so all those fluids ooze out much more slowly than they came in and since the small capillaries can't take care of extra fluid it results in swelling in the face, especially around the eyes. My blood flow into my brain is different from most other people as I have an arterial ischema, adefectiveartery on one side.   I have to go forward about 20 or more years when I learned that I had glaucoma, an eye problem that causes blindness and more years until I learned I had celiac disease.  The eye Dr described my glaucoma as a very slow loss of vision that I wouldn't  notice until had noticeable loss of sight.  I could have my eye pressure checked regularly or it would be best to have the cataracts removed from both eyes. I kept putting off the surgery then just overnight lost most of the vision in my left eye. I thought at the I had been exposed to some chemical and found out a little later the person who livedbehind me was using some chemicals to build kayaks in a shed behind my house. I did not realize the signifance  of this until I started having appointments with a Dr. in a new building. New buildings give me brain fog, loss of balance and other problems I know about this time I experienced visual disturbances very similar to those experienced by people with migraines. I looked further online and read that people with glaucoma can suffer rapid loss of sight if they have silent migraines (no headache). The remedy for migraines is to identify and avoid the triggers. I already know most of my triggers - aromatic chemicals, some cleaning materials, gasoline and exhaust and mold toxins. I am very careful about using cleaning agents using mostly borax and baking powder. Anything that has any fragrance or smell I avoid. There is one brand of dishwashing detergent that I can use and several brands of  scouring powder. I hope you find some of this helpful and useful. I have not seen any evidence that Celiac Disease is involved with migraines or glaucoma. Please come back if you have questions or if what I wrote doesn't make senseto you. We sometimes haveto learn by experience and finding out why we have some problems. Take care.       The report did not mention migraines. 
    • Mari
      Hi Jmartes71 That is so much like my story! You probably know where Laytonville is and that's where I was living just before my 60th birthday when the new Dr. suggested I could have Celiacs. I didn't go on a gluten challange diet before having the Celiac panel blood test drawn. The results came back as equivical as one antibody level was very high but another, tissue transaminasewas normal. Itdid show I was  allergic to cows milk and I think hot peppers. I immediately went gluten free but did not go in for an endoscopy. I found an online lab online that would do the test to show if I had a main celiac gene (enterolab.com). The report came back that I had inherited a main celiac gene, DQ8, from one parent and a D!6 from the other parent. That combination is knows to sym[tons of celiac worse than just inheriting one main celiac gene. With my version of celiac disease I was mostly constipated but after going gluten-free I would have diarrhea the few times I was glutened either by cross contamination or eating some food containing gluten. I have stayed gluten-free for almost 20 years now and knew within a few days that it was right for me although my recovery has been slow.   When I go to see a  medical provide and tell them I have celiacs they don't believe me. The same when I tell them that I carry a main celiac gene, the DQ8. It is only when I tell them that I get diarrhea after eating gluten that they realize that I might have celiac disease. Then they will order th Vitamin B12 and D3 that I need to monitor as my B12 levels can go down very fast if I'm not taking enough of it. Medical providers haven't been much help in my recovery. They are not well trained in this problem. I really hope this helps ypu. Take care.      
    • knitty kitty
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.