Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Got Results Today


Pisqualie

Recommended Posts

Pisqualie Apprentice

Hey all!

I got the results from my endo and colonoscopy and everything is normal; aside from gastritis. While I am glad that I'm healthy... I am frustrated with the fact that I don't have an answer still.

Meanwhile, in the conversation, the nurse practitioner that I saw said everyone thinks they have Celiac now because it's the cool thing to have; when in fact the same number of people have it - it's just that more people know about it now. I was slightly offended by that comment...

They are saying I am just suffering food intolerances and they did some blood work today. Due to scheduling issues, I wont be able to go in for the 3-hr breathalizer test until July 10th and a follow up the 19th (results).

She said lactose and fructose intolerances are very common. Perhaps there is a wheat intolerance? I know there is a problem with dairy but I am not sure how to pinpoint it in me. She said testing is good because you can find out exactly what is wrong instead of guessing via trial and error.

Any words of wisdom? I am glad it's not Celiac but I guess I feel skeptical of these tests, as I went gluten free for awhile.

Ho hum. I sound disappointed I am undamaged... and that's not the case. Just frustrated I will not know more for another month.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



beachbirdie Contributor

Hey all!

I got the results from my endo and colonoscopy and everything is normal; aside from gastritis. While I am glad that I'm healthy... I am frustrated with the fact that I don't have an answer still.

Meanwhile, in the conversation, the nurse practitioner that I saw said everyone thinks they have Celiac now because it's the cool thing to have; when in fact the same number of people have it - it's just that more people know about it now. I was slightly offended by that comment...

They are saying I am just suffering food intolerances and they did some blood work today. Due to scheduling issues, I wont be able to go in for the 3-hr breathalizer test until July 10th and a follow up the 19th (results).

She said lactose and fructose intolerances are very common. Perhaps there is a wheat intolerance? I know there is a problem with dairy but I am not sure how to pinpoint it in me. She said testing is good because you can find out exactly what is wrong instead of guessing via trial and error.

Any words of wisdom? I am glad it's not Celiac but I guess I feel skeptical of these tests, as I went gluten free for awhile.

Ho hum. I sound disappointed I am undamaged... and that's not the case. Just frustrated I will not know more for another month.

I was looking back through some of your posts, and couldn't find where you might have posted any of your test results.

Have you gotten copies of those from your doctor?

You should get that, and also get the report on your endoscopy. Many is the person who had what is early damage, yet got an "all-clear" from their doctor.

Your doc might be one who only gives a diagnosis to someone with the most severe damage on the Marsh scale, and if you have minor damage he would not diagnose.

Just a thought.

On the other hand, you have gone gluten-free and felt well. If not celiac, you may be one of the "non-celiac gluten-intolerant" (NCGI) folks. It is a real condition, makes people sick and miserable, and the only cure is gluten free. The only difference is that a "NCGI" person doesn't get the villous damage.

You could always try an elimination diet, where you take all the known triggers (dairy, wheat, sugar, eggs, nuts, grains, whatever makes you ill) out of your diet, keep a daily food diary. Start adding foods back one at a time, maybe one a week. Keep track of your reactions. Might help you nail something down.

It is most frustrating, to be ill and not able to find an answer.

Pisqualie Apprentice

Here is what my blood tests were:

Endomysial Anitbody IgA - Negative

t-Transglutaminase (tTG) IgA <2 U/mL (Normal range 0-3)

Immunoglobulin A, Qn, Serum 332 mg/dL (Normal 70-400)

By biopsy results today said:

Villous to crypt ratio: 2-2.5:1 (duodenum)

3:1 in another area of small bowel

I don't know what any of that means. :D

KMMO320 Contributor

Hey all!

I got the results from my endo and colonoscopy and everything is normal; aside from gastritis. While I am glad that I'm healthy... I am frustrated with the fact that I don't have an answer still.

Meanwhile, in the conversation, the nurse practitioner that I saw said everyone thinks they have Celiac now because it's the cool thing to have; when in fact the same number of people have it - it's just that more people know about it now. I was slightly offended by that comment...

They are saying I am just suffering food intolerances and they did some blood work today. Due to scheduling issues, I wont be able to go in for the 3-hr breathalizer test until July 10th and a follow up the 19th (results).

She said lactose and fructose intolerances are very common. Perhaps there is a wheat intolerance? I know there is a problem with dairy but I am not sure how to pinpoint it in me. She said testing is good because you can find out exactly what is wrong instead of guessing via trial and error.

Any words of wisdom? I am glad it's not Celiac but I guess I feel skeptical of these tests, as I went gluten free for awhile.

Ho hum. I sound disappointed I am undamaged... and that's not the case. Just frustrated I will not know more for another month.

I am in the same boat as you, I had testing done and everything came back "normal" My dr had no answer as to why I felt better when I went Gluten Free for 3 weeks. She made me feel like it was in my head that I felt better. So I came home and started eating gluten. I dont get deathly ill, I just feel BAD. like not normal, "off" and when I went gluten-free I felt AMAZING for the first time in years. That should tell me something but I have been raisied to trust drs so I am having a really hard time convincing myself that I should just go gluten free and be happy. I had some fried food today..I just feel awful. :(

Pisqualie Apprentice

You know... in reading these lab results, it says things like and "mild inflammatory cell infiltrate primarily composed of lymphocytes and plasma cells accompanied by eosinophils" ... that along with the 2-2.5:1, not bad but something... "prominent lymphoid aggregates" ... it sure sounds like something other than 'everything is wonderful, have a nice day.' Not drastic ... but something (in combination with the symptoms, anyway!)

beachbirdie Contributor

You know... in reading these lab results, it says things like and "mild inflammatory cell infiltrate primarily composed of lymphocytes and plasma cells accompanied by eosinophils" ... that along with the 2-2.5:1, not bad but something... "prominent lymphoid aggregates" ... it sure sounds like something other than 'everything is wonderful, have a nice day.' Not drastic ... but something (in combination with the symptoms, anyway!)

Ummm...who did the interpretation of your endoscopy?

It looks to me, from different things I've found in GI journal articles (Open Original Shared Link, and from the Open Original Shared Link (Scott Lewey who has written for this site) that your "villous to crypt ratio" is less then good (Not necessarily dangerously bad yet, either). Normal should be 3:1, anything less shows shortening of the villi.

The presence of lymphocytes, plus shortened villi, should have been a red flag, in my opinion. Did they actually do a count of the lymphocytes? They should have.

Did they really send you on your way and say there's nothing more they can do?

I also think they should have done the anti-gliadin antibodies (deamidated gliadin peptides, IgG and IgA) along with your other tests.

The nurse was not nice to say what she said. So sorry you are going through this.

Bubba's Mom Enthusiast

It's really unfortunate that there's no test that's 100% accurate for Celiac! So many people don't get the DX they need to be healthy. Add in those that are gluten intolerant and there's an awful lot of folks feeling miserable with Dr.s telling them there's nothing wrong with them.

The breath test can tell if you're lactose or fructose intollerant, or if you have a small intestine bacterial overgrowth, depending on which solution they have you drink, but it doesn't tell you if you have an intolerance to any particular food, such as wheat or nuts, etc. You have to keep a log of what foods you eat and note any reactions. Many food reactions are delayed, making it harder to figure out.

The results of your scope seem to indicate something is irritating your system? Dairy can cause such results. Be sure to note your reactions to dairy, along with gluten.

I hope you can get this sorted out so you can start healing and feeling better. Having the medical people act like you're "pretending" to have an illness because it's in the headlines more lately is infuriating! :angry:


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Pisqualie Apprentice

It's really unfortunate that there's no test that's 100% accurate for Celiac! So many people don't get the DX they need to be healthy. Add in those that are gluten intolerant and there's an awful lot of folks feeling miserable with Dr.s telling them there's nothing wrong with them.

The breath test can tell if you're lactose or fructose intollerant, or if you have a small intestine bacterial overgrowth, depending on which solution they have you drink, but it doesn't tell you if you have an intolerance to any particular food, such as wheat or nuts, etc. You have to keep a log of what foods you eat and note any reactions. Many food reactions are delayed, making it harder to figure out.

The results of your scope seem to indicate something is irritating your system? Dairy can cause such results. Be sure to note your reactions to dairy, along with gluten.

I hope you can get this sorted out so you can start healing and feeling better. Having the medical people act like you're "pretending" to have an illness because it's in the headlines more lately is infuriating! :angry:

So, is this breath test a big waste of time? They said it's going to take 3 hrs. If it tells me I am lactose intolerant, I still wont know about the gluten, right?

Is my gut damaged by gluten or lactose? I know I have had lactose problems my whole life. This wheat connection began in the fall after I went through tremendous stress - which I have heard can kick it off. I have the lymphocytes in all of the biopsies, and they are high in my blood work.

Maybe I can just diagnose myself ... lactose and gluten. Ha!

Seriously though... is this test a waste of time?

Bubba's Mom Enthusiast

So, is this breath test a big waste of time? They said it's going to take 3 hrs. If it tells me I am lactose intolerant, I still wont know about the gluten, right?

Is my gut damaged by gluten or lactose? I know I have had lactose problems my whole life. This wheat connection began in the fall after I went through tremendous stress - which I have heard can kick it off. I have the lymphocytes in all of the biopsies, and they are high in my blood work.

Maybe I can just diagnose myself ... lactose and gluten. Ha!

Seriously though... is this test a waste of time?

If they are testing for lactose intolerance, the test should DX it. The problem is, The enzyme that digests lactose is made on the tips of the villi. If those tips are damaged from the protein in dairy, gluten, soy, or bacteria, it won't tell you which one is the culprit. It will tell you that lactose intolerance *could* be the cause of digestive upset. If you are only lactose intolerant, taking an enzyme would allow you to eat it without problems and feel fine.

IMO a breath test for a bacterial overgrowth would be more helpful as a DX for digestive/villi problems? Making it "official" that you are lactose intolerant won't really help all that much, but it will be something that your Dr. can write down as a DX for your symptoms. He can prescibe IBS medications for you, maybe reflux medication, and suggest you take enzymes...and send you on your way. These won't heal you if you have Celiac, rather they will ensure that your damage will progress until your symptoms can't be controlled by medications.

It irritates me that the Dr.s are trained to treat symptoms, rather than look for the cause of the symptom and fix that!

It's suggested that newly DXed Celiacs go dairy free for a while to let the villi heal so lactase is once again made, thus allowing the digestion of lactose. Once healed, some people can eat lactose containing dairy products just fine.

IMHO it sounds more likely to me that you have a problem with gluten and dairy? If you omit both from your diet and feel better, that would be your DX. You don't need permission from a Dr. to omit them.

Once you have your testing done, be sure to take probiotics every day. They help keep the the bad bacteria/yeast from taking hold and aid in digestion and immune fuction.

I say wait until after testing, because if they do a breath test for SIBO the probiotics throw off the results.

Stay gluten-free and dairy free for 3 months no matter what the tests say and see how you feel. Then reintroduce them one at a time and see how you react?

Pisqualie Apprentice

Yes, I have a gut feeling (haha - couldn't resist) that it is a lactose/gluten issue. Lactose runs through our family and if I drink a glass of milk, I am sick in about ... well, almost immediately. I know the dairy thing exists. Though... it could be fructose I guess...

Argh. I just don't want to do this 3 hr thing if it doesn't tell me anything.

I guess I am done whining. I really appreciate your help.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      8

      My only proof

    2. - Wheatwacked replied to Jmartes71's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      8

      Related issues

    3. - NanceK replied to Jmartes71's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      8

      My only proof

    4. - Wheatwacked replied to Scatterbrain's topic in Sports and Fitness
      4

      Feel like I’m starting over

    5. - Scott Adams replied to Kirita's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      3

      Recovery from gluten challenge


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,289
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    SarahZ
    Newest Member
    SarahZ
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @NanceK, I do have Hypersensitivity Type Four reaction to Sulfa drugs, a sulfa allergy.  Benfotiamine and other forms of Thiamine do not bother me at all.  There's sulfur in all kinds of Thiamine, yet our bodies must have it as an essential nutrient to make life sustaining enzymes.  The sulfur in thiamine is in a ring which does not trigger sulfa allergy like sulfites in a chain found in pharmaceuticals.  Doctors are not given sufficient education in nutrition (nor chemistry in this case).  I studied Nutrition before earning a degree in Microbiology.  I wanted to know what vitamins were doing inside the body.   Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.   Not feeling well after starting Benfotiamine is normal.  It's called the "thiamine paradox" and is equivalent to an engine backfiring if it's not been cranked up for a while.  Mine went away in about three days.  I took a B Complex, magnesium and added molybdenum for a few weeks. It's important to add a B Complex with all eight essential B vitamins. Supplementing just one B vitamin can cause lows in some of the others and result in feeling worse, too.  Celiac Disease causes malabsorption of all the B vitamins, not just thiamine.  You need all eight.  Thiamine forms including Benfotiamine interact with each of the other B vitamins in some way.  It's important to add a magnesium glycinate or chelate supplement as well.  Forms of Thiamine including Benfotiamine need magnesium to make those life sustaining enzymes.  (Don't use magnesium oxide.  It's not absorbed well.  It pulls water into the intestines and is used to relieve constipation.)   Molybdenum is a trace mineral that helps the body utilize forms of Thiamine.   Molybdenum supplements are available over the counter.  It's not unusual to be low in molybdenum if low in thiamine.   I do hope you will add the necessary supplements and try Benfotiamine again. Science-y Explanation of Thiamine Paradox: https://hormonesmatter.com/paradoxical-reactions-with-ttfd-the-glutathione-connection/#google_vignette
    • Wheatwacked
      Your goal is not to be a good puppet, there is no gain in that. You might want to restart the ones that helped.  It sounds more like you are suffering from malnutrition.  Gluten free foods are not fortified with things like Thiamine (B1), vitamin D, Iodine, B1,2,3,5,6 and 12 as non-gluten free products are required to be. There is a Catch-22 here.  Malnutrition can cause SIBO, and SIBO can worsen malnutrition. Another possibility is side effects from any medication that are taking.  I was on Metformin 3 months before it turned me into a zombi.  I had crippling side effects from most of the BP meds tried on me, and Losartan has many of the side effects on me from my pre gluten free days. Because you have been gluten free, you can test and talk until you are blue in the face but all of your tests will be negative.  Without gluten, you will not create the antigen against gluten, no antigens to gluten, so no small intestine damage from the antigens.  You will need to do a gluten challange to test positive if you need an official diagnosis, and even then, no guaranty: 10 g of gluten per day for 6 weeks! Then a full panel of Celiac tests and biopsy. At a minimum consider vitamin D, Liquid Iodine (unless you have dermatitis herpetiformis and iodine exasperates the rash), and Liquid Geritol. Push for vitamin D testing and a consult with a nutritionist experienced with Celiack Disease.  Most blood tests don't indicate nutritional deficiencies.  Your thyroid tests can be perfect, yet not indicate iodine deficiency for example.  Thiamine   test fine, but not pick up on beriberi.  Vegans are often B12 deficient because meat, fish, poultry, eggs, and dairy are the primary souces of B12. Here is what I take daily.  10,000 IU vitamin D3 750 mg g a b a [   ] 200 mg CoQ10 [   ] 100 mg DHEA [   ] 250 mg thiamine B1 [   ] 100 mg of B2 [   ] 500 mg B5 pantothenic acid [   ] 100 mg B6 [   ] 1000 micrograms B12 n [   ] 500 mg vitamin c [   ] 500 mg taurine [   ] 200 mg selenium   
    • NanceK
      Hi…Just a note that if you have an allergy to sulfa it’s best not to take Benfotiamine. I bought a bottle and tried one without looking into it first and didn’t feel well.  I checked with my pharmacist and he said not to take it with a known sulfa allergy. I was really bummed because I thought it would help my energy level, but I was thankful I was given this info before taking more of it. 
    • Wheatwacked
      Hello @Scatterbrain, Are you getting enough vitamins and minerals.  Gluten free food is not fortified so you may be starting to run low on B vitamins and vitamin D.   By the way you should get your mom checked for celiac disease.  You got it from your mom or dad.  Some studies show that following a gluten-free diet can stabilize or improve symptoms of dementia.  I know that for the 63 years I was eating gluten I got dumber and dumber until I started GFD and vitamin replenishment and it began to reverse.  Thiamine can get used up in a week or two.  Symptoms can come and go with daily diet.  Symptoms of beriberi due to Thiamine deficiency.   Difficulty walking. Loss of feeling (sensation) in hands and feet. Loss of muscle function or paralysis of the lower legs. Mental confusion. Pain. Speech difficulties. Strange eye movements (nystagmus) Tingling. Any change in medications? Last March I had corotid artery surgery (90 % blockage), and I started taking Losartan for blood pressure, added to the Clonidine I was taking already.  I was not recovering well and many of my pre gluten free symptoms were back  I was getting worse.  At first I thought it was caused a reaction to the anesthesia from the surgery, but that should have improved after two weeks.  Doctor thought I was just being a wimp. After three months I talked to my doctor about a break from the Losartan to see if it was causing it. It had not made any difference in my bp.  Except for clonindine, all of the previous bp meds tried had not worked to lower bp and had crippling side effects. One, I could not stand up straight; one wobbly knees, another spayed feet.  Inguinal hernia from the Lisinopril cough.  Had I contiued on those, I was destined for a wheelchair or walker. She said the symptoms were not from Losartan so I continued taking it.  Two weeks later I did not have the strength in hips and thighs to get up from sitting on the floor (Help, I can't get up😨).  I stopped AMA (not recommended).  Without the Losartan, a) bp did not change, after the 72 hour withdrawal from Losartanon, on clonidine only and b) symptoms started going away.  Improvement started in 72 hours.  After six weeks they were gone and I am getting better.  
    • Scott Adams
      Hopefully the food she eats away from home, especially at school, is 100% gluten-free. If you haven't checked in with the school directly about this, it might be worth a planned visit with their staff to make sure her food is safe.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.