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Saw today about Vit K and it's role. Important stuff.

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I've seen various chiropractors.

1. using the 'gun'. I'm not sure this did anything, other than the mental relief of going. It may have - I'm just saying that I am uncertain at this time if it contributed to my health or not. I was moving toward a healthy lifestyle at the time.

2. B.E.S.T. (BioEnergeticSynchronozationTechnique). This guy was interesting. His technique was unlike anything I've ever had done before. I cannot attest to the bone elements - but he cured an especially nasty case of ringworm by suggesting silver (which lots of folks are skeptical of - so I would research this a lot if anyone is suggesting it) and eating differently.

3. Crack-em. I don't know what you call him, but I went for six months - 3 times a week, about 5 minutes per session. It started with Xrays, but then it seemed to me that he just did the same thing to everyone for the most part. He didn't check my spine or neck right before each adjustment. I did get improvement from my symptoms (hip and back pain, sciatica type pain, and inability to garden for very long without pain). I think that coupled with massage, this way can work, but it takes a long time.

4. Cranio-Sacral. Again, not totally sure if it worked or not. Is a bit odd - hardly any touching.

My current guy. My current guy spends between 30 and 45 minutes on me per session. He uses massage mostly, but is not a massage therapist - he's a chiro. What happens is he works on the back/neck, then asks you to breath in and old it, then breath out. Often when you breath out, you can feel your spine adjusting itself. This is the most gentle approach I've had - AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE. I only had to go twice to this man to feel completely cured of my ills (I had hurt myself gardening, as usual). On top of that, he gave me exercises that would help me. He did not say I needed to come back unless I had pain (unlike the other guys who wanted me there several times per week).

I don't know what type of chiro he is. And honestly, I've been trying to reach him lately since I hurt myself on a motorcycle trip to Montana - but he must be on vacation. I'll try again, and ask him what his technique is called - so that if someone were looking for this type of chiropractor, they would know what to look for. AHA! I JUST GOOGLED HIS NAME AND FOUND OUT THAT HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT AND HAS HIS LICENSE REVOKED PENDING HEARING! My word!

If you do go with a crack-em type, make sure you do massage as well. Otherwise, your muscles, which are habitualized to what they are doing, will try to drag your bones back out of alignment.

I DO totally 100% believe that your spine health is of the utmost importance - all your nerves run through it - it is like the telephone operator for your whole body - and if she's out to lunch, no calls get through.

I've rambled. Good luck to you, regardless.

You're right. I noticed that last night. I know that THEORETICALLY, barley and wheat grass does not have gluten in it. But that is theoretically.

Thus far no bad side effects -- but to be on the safe side, I'll go back to the ones without that. Thanks for reminding me.

I'm sure you're right. I'm going to get tested for it. meanwhile, I'm on a 80-90% raw diet...which is helping quite a bit. If nothing else it's giving my system a break. I don't seem to have any problems digesting the raw foods, at least not thus far, though they all end up tasting like fresh salsa (which, thankfully, tastes good.).

Thanks all.

My stomach was bothering me so much in the mornings about a year ago. I had my husband get up and bring me some cereal (about 7am) which I would eat, then go back to sleep...this seemed to help. For me, it was intense hunger causing my nausea.

A thing about the sleeping....

I need a lot of sleep per night - say 9 hours, though I can sleep 10 or 11 hours no problem. (Probably not a good sign, but true anyway.) According to Ayurvedic medicine (from India) and medical advice about the adrenal glands, getting to bed by 10pm should help us fall asleep. If we wait until after 10, it becomes harder to go to sleep because our glands are producing cortisol I think. (In Ayurveda, it has to do with what qualities certain times of day have, and between 6 and 10 is Kapha time - so sleepy time -- They also want you getting up before 6 (not on my agenda!) so that you're getting up during active time. Although I don't get up at 6, I have noticed that when I wake up before 6, I'm usually wide awake.

So anyway, I don't know if that helps. Is it possible you're getting hungry in the night?

I have not been sold on the idea of taking supplements - I eat REALLY well, so I didn't see why I should need supplementation.

I started taking a prenatal (just because they're so good) a week or two ago, though, because my fingernails were so weak they were bending back when I pulled up my socks.

My fingernails are better.

I don't think we should have to take vitamins our whole lives; but maybe we're playing catch-up. i don't know.

I use Rainbow Light brand.

I wondered if anyone out there has tried a raw foods diet? I've been mostly raw for two days and feel a lot better digestively, and the dark circles under my eyes look better. I finally have normal poops again after about a month of chronic cramping and switching D with C (never a problem with me before - was always straight C).

Anyway, anybody else tried it?

For "normal", check out the Bristol Scale. You can google it, or wikipedia. It's pretty funny, really. Then you can rate each poop with a number.

I hate to imagine the "research" that went into making this scale.

Yesterday I ate about 97% raw, and it felt great. I don't think it's the right time of year to transition to a raw diet (spring/summer would be best), but I do think having 70% or so raw is a good idea. Of course, you're not supposed to mix raw and cooked, for the most part -- so if you have a raw meal plus raw snacks...or two raw meals....that's good too. I'll keep it up and report back.

I agree about the calories. It's tough. How did those paleo peoples do it? Must've been the buffalo.

Sherri

I don't know what these acronyms are? I suppose I could use wikipedia...but you guys are better -- what the heck are you talking about?

Okay.

I eat lots of raw sauerkraut, but I'll add probiotics.

I eat squash and sweet potato, so I think I'm better this time than last time with the energy thing.

Garlic hits me the wrong way, so I avoid that pretty well...but eat lots of onions.

I have not yet considered pills/medicine to kill yeast ... but will think on that. I'm not even sure I have a yeast problem, I am just going on yucky tongue, gas/bloat, and energy issues.

Now my problem is INSANE gas, and not pleasant to the nose either -- this is not normally an issue for me. I also have constant intestinal cramping. I'm pooping about every other or every third day - usually the start is fine, but the ending is not exactly well-formed.

ARG!!!!

Well, I'll try you all's advice and see if we get anywhere. I'm also thinking that going raw for a while might help -- don't know why, just seems possible. (I had spinach salad for breakfast.)

Thanks everyone.

I eat squash - winter squash - and some sweet potato (but not potatoes). I don't think sweet potatoes are encouraged, but all diets should be flexed to the person who is doing it. I have trouble with too few carbs. Roasted carrots are probably also discouraged, but like I said...whatever it takes. All veggies/meats/fruits/nuts is going to better than grains and man-made junk...so adding a veggie here or there that is unliked by the paleo godfather seems more than appropriate to me. ESPECIALLY as winter comes.

I eat packaged almond milk. Sure, paleo chick wasn't eating it, unless she had some sort of stone cuisinart -- but I'm also not hunting rabbit and buffalo...so I eat the "milk" ocassionally. I only wish it were raw. I met some folks in Portland Oregon who make their own raw almond milk...but they have some exorbinantly expensive machine that I forget the name of.

One challenge is to find anything creamy - we've all gotten so used to creamy. Here winter squash comes in handy...and almond milk tea lattes. A good winter squash soup is just to roast it, along with one apple, and then blend them...salt/pepper/maybe carmelized onion. Good stuff. Creamy, startchy (comparatively), and yet still "allowed".

I'm sorry I haven't read the book, Paleo Diet or Neanderthin are two of the ones I can think of. I did get the Paleo Diet for Athletes, and don't suggest it - it is mostly for folks doing HARD athletic training, such as ironman marathons and the like. It's informative, but should be gotten from the library if anything, because most of it just isn't applicable to folks who don't run twenty miles a day.

I'm off to go eat sweet potato fries. Don't tell Mr. Cordain.

Day 2 of no sugar, including fruit and starchy veggies/carbs. I have just been so bloated that I'm thinking maybe bad bacteria are munching on the sugars and then belching a lot, leading me to...well...you get the picture.

I'm also eating lots of onions, since they help to kill off yeasties. I'm not too keen on taking pills....but does anyone have any other ideas about killing yeast and BAD bacteria? Thanks.

or ideas about coping with a complete lack of carbs in one's diet to the point where one can barely walk back up the driveway from the mailbox?

the weight is the issue, ins't it? I finally balanced out for a while, but then.....wait, I'll start at the beginning.

So ...BLOAT...that's the theme of my life. So I went on the paleo diet and it got a bit better, but not cured. So I went on the Body Ecology Diet which is ZERO sugar or fruit for a while, then very little fruit (yeast-killing diet). Well, the bloat went away, but I had ZERO energy and was losing weight hand over fist. So after a while, I went back on Paleo, and that was going well....but then I started eating sugar again -- and then the bloat came back. so now I'm back on Body Ecology. Am I always going to have to choose between energy or bloat? I'm hoping it is adreneline fatigue or something like that.

I'm nervous because when I started Body Ecology last time I weighed 130 and lost 5 pounds; well, now I only weigh 125 - so what will that look like in a week.

nut butters

meat

avocados

nuts - pumpkin seeds are good too

pumpkin butter and fruit butter (fruit-juice sweetened or honey)

almond milk or hazelnut milk

eggs (jeez, these only have 60 calories each)

I guess eating a lot is an option.

There's just not enough calories in veggies.

You might want to look into some other ideas on how to increase your calcium as well, and if so, I thought I could get you started. I looked into it after I found some research had shown that some women taking calcium supplements actually had more broken bones than those who did not. Unfortunately, I can't recall where I saw the study, but I do recall it was a mainstream source. Anyway, regardless of whether you take pills and the like, you might want to make sure you're not doing so for naught.

Some ideas I've run accross in my research:

no soy. Soy blocks the absorption of minerals, including calcium.

no nightshades. Nightshades require calcium in order to digest. If you don't have enough calcium in the meal, it will leech from your bones. Nighshades include: tomato, potato, eggplant, peppers (not black pepper), and tobacco. Smoking depletes your body of calcium as well. So if you eat them, combine them with things in the good/easy sources section.

dairy is not the best source. The ratio of calcium to phosphorous in cow's milk is 1.27:1 - it is 2.35:1 in human milk. It is believed that phosphoous can combine with calcium in the digestive tract and actually prevent the absorption of calcium. Mathematically, that would means mom's milk gives you net 1.35 calcium, where cow's milk only gives you net .27.

easy/good sources: beans and nuts; greens, especially leafy greens and broccoli; sea vegetables; sesame seeds and tahini; canned salmon or sardines with bones; soups made with bones.

vitamin D is required. The sun is the best source.

an acid condition leeches calcium. too much high protein foods, wine/vinegar/citris, concentrated sugars, and coffee/alcohol/and salt CAN all steal calcium.

weight bearing excercise is a must. walking, running, lifting weights, anything where you are excercising while holding your own weight up (so not swimming or bicycling or rowing). This is really a mandatory part of any program to rebuild bone mass.

Also, I'm doing the paleo diet. It postulates that eating grains and legumes would leech calcium from your system as well.

I hope this helps give you other ideas as well. I know that we have to build our bones back while we're still able - I'm on board with you there.

I do Paleo, and it works well for me.

Caveat: you have to be sure to be good on your candida issues, because there is a lot of dried fruit on the Paleo diet. If you try the Paleo and find you're bloated or whatever, you may have candida issues.

This happened to me, and I had to go fruit and sugar free for a while to get balanced. Then I add back the fruit. If you think you have Candida problems, check out the Body Ecology Diet.

Back to Paleo:

I like it. Breakfast is weird, but you get used to it. I eat sauteed veggie omlets or poached eggs over sauteed veggies. Ocassionally I'll only eat apple with almond butter - but usually I do the eggs...probably too much.

It is hard for me to keep the weight on, if I don't eat the nut butters - so for someone wanting to lose weight, I would think it would work well.

If you have any specific questions, feel free to pop them - I've been doing this about 3 months...whatever my signature says about going grain free.

Sure sounds possible. I was getting B12 shots, but then my B12 tested through the roof - plus, they weren't helping with my fatigue anyway. I do take sublingual tablets that are HUGE and have folate...the pills aren't huge, the B12 is in huge amounts -- just to be sure.

I don't eat potatoes because they are a nightshade (along with peppers, eggplant, tomatoes, and tobacco). They don't agree with me, AND they suck calcium out of your bones to digest if need be. So unless you eat them with calcium rich foods, look out.

I don't eat corn because it's virtually worthless. It's one of those veggie/grain type foods, depending on when you get it for eating. Sweet corn is considered a veggie, field corn might be what they call the "grain". Nonetheless, corn is a grain or if eaten as a vegetable, is just high in sugar.

I'm not trying to lose weight, but that's why I avoid those two. They are also both high allergen foods - corn more than potato. Corn, dairy, soy, wheat, nuts...

I switched to MyChelle recently and like it quite a bit. Also, my stepdaughter has some issues with acne and was using ProActiv which I hate (treats your skin really badly, even if it does work). MyChelle has a whole program for acne prone skin. She uses it. Her skin is not completely perfect on it - but healthier. She has quit the ProActiv.

The stuff really smells good too.

I use shallots, onion, salt, pepper, cumin seeds, lemon, cilantro (fresh), raw sauerkraut. I actually love the paleo diet for the most part. Meat rollups are great - meat, mustard, avocado, pepper, piece of salad?, raw sauerkraut?...yum. I eat these a lot, and like them very much. They don't seem plain.

Also, I cook a whole chicken now and again. You can make squash soup by baking a squash and an apple, also carmelizing an onion or two, then putting in food processor with salt, pepper, and some veggie or chicken broth. Yum. You can add cardomom here (you can get spices that say 100% cardomom, no preserv. no additives, etc...but cardomom also comes in pods you can use fresh, like nutmeg sortof).

I make my own trail mix, and it has interesting ingrediets: dried cherries, dried cranberries, walnuts, sunflower seeds, cut up prunes, raisins, cut up figs, and if you want, dried berries like blueberries, raspberriese, and strawberries, but if you add those, don't seal them up in ziplocks or they get all rehydrated and strange.

For lattes and the like there is almond milk, if you're not allergic, and today I found hazlenut (haven't tasted it yet). I get Pacific brand because it is soy free as well as gluten free - others have soy lecithin.

I had cashew encrusted halibut the other day that I play to replicate.

Spaghetti squash is good for putting meat/fish on top of and then using a sauce. It soaks up the sauce a bit like potato or rice, not the same, but works really well, especially with salmon and halibut.

Protein (fish or steak or chicken) on salad is really good. Think of dried fruits in your salad - yummy.

I know it's hard; it really is, I admit to that. But I find it to be worth it if it makes me feel better. Living life under the yoke of physical discomfort is no way to live...I feel so much better that now if I get goofy intestines or something, I am a real baby about it - how did I live life like this every day for 35 years?

Take care.

My personal belief as to why you might be experiencing so many veggies/vegans on the boards are that lots of veggies/vegans are very aware of their own bodies (especially if you accidentally feed them bacon after 16 years of veggi-ism). Thus, they would be more likely to investigate digestive problems. I don't think that there is a connection between healing or causing the disease. another possibility is that there is a lot of focus on WHOLE GRAINS in "healthy eating". This may be healthy (may not) but certainly ins't healthy for those with Celiacs. Also, lots of folks have trouble with SOY, and if anyone uses soy as a meat substitute, they are asking for trouble.

As a near vegetarian for sixteen years (ate fish) and a near vegan for two years (ate honey, eggs, and fish and wore leather, etc.) I can say that I feel it is, if done intelligently, a healthy lifestyle.

That said, after stopping doing that about what, four months ago, I found that perhaps I hadn't been getting enough protein, and there are things in animal protein that aren't in other sources of protein, like trytophan, for example.

As to the ethics of eating...I think about this a lot. For a long time I felt it was unethical to eat meat because I don't have to eat meat. Cats do. Carnivorous and Ominoverous animals in the wild do. But humans don't have to. But lately, I've really been thinking about how we have a tendency to remove ourselves from nature - as though we are outside of it - when really, we are part of it. Therefore, it is natural for me to eat meat. It is NOT natural FOR ME to eat meat that is raised inhumanely, or if they're fed what they don't naturally at (i.e., corn fed beef), etc. I have found that by including myself in the nature, I can see how cooking some trout over the bbq is completely natural for me to. Did the trout have to die, probably while frightened and upset? Yes. Is that nature? Yes.

Of course, something being natural does not make it ethical. It's a complex issue.

The bottom line is: what makes you feel best? I've found lean meats, fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, and green tea work pretty well for me. I don't eat any grains or beans or dairy. I try to eat raw when I can (not the meat) and almost always organic. I'm still fidgeting with it, but I've got it close to what feels right.

I just went on a motorcycle trip to Montana for ten days - smaller "trunks" to pack and no cooler. But I found that what I appreciated:

my mustard

my lunch meat

my trail mix

my granola bars

sometimes I had rice milk or almond milk for getting tea lattes (don't normally drink these, but I got REALLY cold at times on that bike - Montana weather is WEIRD - and it helped)

What I took that I didn't eat that I thought I would:

granola bars. (okay, they're on both lists, but I took so many it was silly)

instant hot quinoa cereal. didn't eat it because the flavor was AWFUL (new for me)

Bought along the way:

avocados

apples

etc.

mustard was important. and a knife.

I was veggie for sixteen years, and recently started eating meat again. I started with lunch meat. I get Applegate Farms.

While I was veggie, i cooked for hubby who wasn't veggie, so I'm used to handling raw meat...and my dog eats raw meat as well, so there's that.

I don't know about cooked stuff, other than lunch meat and hotdogs (both not exactly the "best" when it comes to meat).

In general, blue cheese is made blue with a tiny bit-o-bread. It would take some serious digging to find some blue cheese that had been made with bit-o-tapioca bread or something...but maybe it exists.

If you like goat cheese, maybe you could whip something up with that.

Good luck.

My dog loves to chase whatever you throw, but then prefers to chew on it for a spell. When he's ready to go again, he brings it me and drops it. I can MAKE him drop it, but I like sitting and standing around while he chews the ball, it gives me time to experience what's around me or pull some weeds or read from a book or whatever. Now that he's older (and has arthritis), it's good for him not to run that much really hard, and so in the long run, it's turned out his habit is now saving his elbow. I figure that the times we're playing ball and walking about are his times, so I try to let him do what he wants within reason. (No, I don't have an ill behaved dog because of this - he can still know who is boss during his playtime.)

I think it's important to remember to let our dogs be who they are going to be. I don't mean unruly monsters - but each doggie has a personality that we owe to them to let bloom. I go nuts when I see people at the dog park with herding dogs trying to make their dogs stop barking and chasing the other dogs. Hello? Did you not read the manual? Boxers love to wrestle and clown about, pointers and labs love to work, and labs especially love to please. He'll be a great dog whether or not he ever plays catch. (If he chooses not to, think of all the slobbery balls you'll never have to touch.)

p.s. if your dog ends up a chewer instead of a fetcher, beware of tennis balls. They are made to withstand punishment on pavement - they're made of silicon - and they will wear down your dogs teeth. If you ever see a flat-toothed staffy hanging about Bellingham, Washington, that's my boy.