Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Please Help With Blood Test Confusion - Thanks!


Tiger Dogshark

Recommended Posts

Tiger Dogshark Newbie

Trying my best to summarize what’s been a long process – for years I believed my energy, mood, well-being, etc. were dramatically impacted by what I ate.  I concluded sugar really hit me hard for many days after I ate it (and I love sugar) but the longer I went without sugar, the progressively better I felt.  But it wasn’t long that even avoiding sugar alone didn’t seem to be working as well, so I started limiting wheat and gluten too, but not complete exclusion.

 

I then had blood work done for a physical (I didn’t even know they included a celiac panel until I got results – so it’s not something I was looking for) and ended up being positive on 1 of the 4 tests.

 

The positive test is labeled as DGP IgA (it was 21 with a normal range of <6.1); the negative tests were DGP IgG, TTG IgA, and EMA IgA.  The summary on the results says that ‘results may support a diagnosis of celiac disease’.

 

The hematologist is very highly regarded but not a celiac expert and he told me he thought the DGP IgA test was new and highly specific and nearly conclusive if not entirely conclusive, but that I should see a GI specialist.  We both reasoned the other 3 tests were likely negative because I had been probably 80% or more gluten free for the preceding 6 months and my understanding is that those tests are sensitive to if you are currently ingesting gluten.

 

I immediately went 100% gluten free and basically immediately felt like a million bucks.  But a couple weeks into this I started eating gluten-free junk food because I thought – yay – sugar wasn’t the issue – it was gluten – so I started eating more sugar so long as it was gluten-free.  I very quickly nosedived in to feeling mostly like crap again despite being gluten-free (although I still felt moderately better without gluten).

 

After 2 months being 100% gluten-free but not feeling very good (but still eating too much sugar and gluten-free junk food) I finally got to see a GI specialist.  He saw the negative tests and thought that I didn’t have celiac (he thought it might be small intestine bacterial overgrowth – SIBO – which has many of the same symptoms) – but he didn’t think the DGP IgA positive by itself meant I had celiac.  He offered doing the genetic test on the outside chance we could rule out celiac – and lo and behold I just found out it did rule it out!  I don’t have any of the necessary genes.

 

So I am wondering if anyone knows why I would have a positive DGP IgA test when I basically conclusively cannot have celiac disease?  I thought the DGP IgA test measured only antibodies that would be present if you had an issue with gluten.

 

And if the answer is I’m clearly gluten sensitive in a bad way, but don’t have celiac, then I wonder why the establishment is resisting that diagnosis if someone like me can be positive on the DPG IgA test but not have the genes that allow for celiac.

 

Thank you so much for any insight at all – I know most here have or have had similar troubling issues and I really appreciate any help in getting to the bottom of mine.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



w8in4dave Community Regular

My understanding is you can have celiac and not necessarily the gene.

cyclinglady Grand Master

My understanding is you can have celiac and not necessarily the gene.

No it's the opposite.  You must have the genes (about 40% of the population has one or both genes) but you won't necessarily get celiac disease (only 1% will get it).  

 

Here's a good link on About.com:

 

Open Original Shared Link

 

But, you know, I have seen conflicting responses in this forum.  Let's hope someone can clarify!  

nvsmom Community Regular

There are a few board members around here who have celiac disease but do NOT have the genes that most celiacs have. It happens.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    2. - Jane02 replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    3. - knitty kitty replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    4. 0

      Penobscot Bay, Maine: Nurturing Gluten-Free Wellness Retreat with expert celiac dietitian, Melinda Dennis

    5. - Scott Adams replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      9

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,331
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Kristy2026
    Newest Member
    Kristy2026
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Who's Online (See full list)

  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @Jane02, I hear you about the kale and collard greens.  I don't do dairy and must eat green leafies, too, to get sufficient calcium.  I must be very careful because some calcium supplements are made from ground up crustacean shells.  When I was deficient in Vitamin D, I took high doses of Vitamin D to correct the deficiency quickly.  This is safe and nontoxic.  Vitamin D level should be above 70 nmol/L.  Lifeguards and indigenous Pacific Islanders typically have levels between 80-100 nmol/L.   Levels lower than this are based on amount needed to prevent disease like rickets and osteomalacia. We need more thiamine when we're physically ill, emotionally and mentally stressed, and if we exercise like an athlete or laborer.  We need more thiamine if we eat a diet high in simple carbohydrates.  For every 500 kcal of carbohydrates, we need 500-1000 mg more of thiamine to process the carbs into energy.  If there's insufficient thiamine the carbs get stored as fat.  Again, recommended levels set for thiamine are based on minimum amounts needed to prevent disease.  This is often not adequate for optimum health, nor sufficient for people with absorption problems such as Celiac disease.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like their gluten containing counterparts.  Adding a B Complex and additional thiamine improves health for Celiacs.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Thiamine helps the mitochondria in cells to function.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins.  They are all water soluble and easily excreted if not needed. Interesting Reading: Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/ Safety and effectiveness of vitamin D mega-dose: A systematic review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34857184/ High dose dietary vitamin D allocates surplus calories to muscle and growth instead of fat via modulation of myostatin and leptin signaling https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38766160/ Safety of High-Dose Vitamin D Supplementation: Secondary Analysis of a Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31746327/ Vitamins and Celiac Disease: Beyond Vitamin D https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11857425/ Investigating the therapeutic potential of tryptophan and vitamin A in modulating immune responses in celiac disease: an experimental study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40178602/ Investigating the Impact of Vitamin A and Amino Acids on Immune Responses in Celiac Disease Patients https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10814138/
    • Jane02
      Thank you so much @knitty kitty for this insightful information! I would have never considered fractionated coconut oil to be a potential source of GI upset. I will consider all the info you shared. Very interesting about the Thiamine deficiency.  I've tracked daily averages of my intake in a nutrition software. The only nutrient I can't consistently meet from my diet is vitamin D. Calcium is a hit and miss as I rely on vegetables, dark leafy greens as a major source, for my calcium intake. I'm able to meet it when I either eat or juice a bundle of kale or collard greens daily haha. My thiamine intake is roughly 120% of my needs, although I do recognize that I may not be absorbing all of these nutrients consistently with intermittent unintentional exposures to gluten.  My vitamin A intake is roughly 900% (~6400 mcg/d) of my needs as I eat a lot of sweet potato, although since it's plant-derived vitamin A (beta-carotene) apparently it's not likely to cause toxicity.  Thanks again! 
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jane02,  I take Naturewise D 3.  It contains olive oil.   Some Vitamin D supplements, like D Drops, are made with fractionated coconut oil which can cause digestive upsets.  Fractionated coconut oil is not the same as coconut oil used for cooking.  Fractionated coconut oil has been treated for longer shelf life, so it won't go bad in the jar, and thus may be irritating to the digestive system. I avoid supplements made with soy because many people with Celiac Disease also react to soy.  Mixed tocopherols, an ingredient in Thornes Vitamin D, may be sourced from soy oil.  Kirkland's has soy on its ingredient list. I avoid things that might contain or be exposed to crustaceans, like Metagenics says on its label.  I have a crustacean/shellfish/fish allergy.  I like Life Extension Bioactive Complete B Complex.  I take additional Thiamine B 1 in the form Benfotiamine which helps the intestines heal, Life Extension MegaBenfotiamine. Thiamine is needed to activate Vitamin D.   Low thiamine can make one feel like they are getting glutened after a meal containing lots of simple carbohydrates like white rice, or processed gluten free foods like cookies and pasta.   It's rare to have a single vitamin deficiency.  The water soluble B Complex vitamins should be supplemented together with additional Thiamine in the form Benfotiamine and Thiamine TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) to correct subclinical deficiencies that don't show up on blood tests.  These are subclinical deficiencies within organs and tissues.  Blood is a transportation system.  The body will deplete tissues and organs in order to keep a supply of thiamine in the bloodstream going to the brain and heart.   If you're low in Vitamin D, you may well be low in other fat soluble vitamins like Vitamin A and Vitamin K. Have you seen a dietician?
    • Scott Adams
      I do not know this, but since they are labelled gluten-free, and are not really a product that could easily be contaminated when making them (there would be not flour in the air of such a facility, for example), I don't really see contamination as something to be concerned about for this type of product. 
    • trents
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.