Can Someone Help Me Differentiate Between Salicylate And Histamine Intolerance?

[seraphim]

Okay so I had reason to think I might have a problem with sals. However benzoates like in my cleure toothpaste don't seem to bother me like they seem to bother most sal sensitive that I talked to. (Cleure is suppose to be sal free but apparently not completely...I've also seen avocado in their products. Apparently their focus is for ppl with fibromyalgia). Well anyhow....after I had a reaction to something in lip gloss I decided to keep drinking almond milk and having broccoli. I never swelled again (though it did happen later after giving both up.) But I still got a few hives and itchy red blotches. So after a few days of this continuing I figured I should try giving up the broccoli and almond milk....but stuff kept happening. The day after I gave it up me and my husband were out for a drive and he bought glutino cheese crackers. Within an hour of smelling it my knuckles started itching and swelled. I figured it could be the spices like rosemary. Fast forward almost four weeks and I wound up with three or four more swelling episodes and a bunch of the hives (almost every day). I did notice I was getting cold  urticria. Whenever the air conditioner was on in the car I got itchy raised sore blotches all up and down my arms. Not that I think air conditioner in general did it but I felt cold and didn't bother turning it down as we were almost home anyhow. Thing is I tried the ice cube test for three minutes....there was no welt only a red ring of the edges of the ice cube.

So I guess my question is...what do you all think I should be looking into? I would do an elimination diet right now but I'm horribly sick and malnourished so I'm going to eat moderate sals for a while to get my vitamins. I'm having serious doubts it's sals right now as most have said their worst reactions only typically last a week at most. Not that I expect to find a definite answer here....I'm just curious as to people's thoughts. I know one reaction of hives can last six weeks or more but this was just weird. Not to mention I had broccoli memorial day afternoon and nothing happened whatsoever.

[IrishHeart]

A simple google search will help you find this information.

 

Not many people on this forum have  a histamine and salicylate intolerance.

 

Foods high in histamine and the symptoms associated with HIT

 

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Foods high in salicyaltes and symptoms associated with SI

 

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I am going to ask the obvious question here: Have you seen an allergist?

Immediate reactions like these "bumps" appear to be an allergic reaction, not an intolerance.

 

There is a huge difference.

 

Fresh meat, fish, shellfish, dairy, eggs, gluten-free cereals and gluten-free breads are low in sals.

 

From all you have told me, you are not eating enough protein. Just eating vegetables and almond milk is not nourishment.

 

Cleure products are salicylate-free. They could never market themselves this way if that were not the case.

[seraphim]

i know it sounds like an allergy right? but my allergist claims the all natural ingredients can't be tested. but they are all very common. Lots of sals sensitive people have hives too so I'm trying to figure out what it was i might b allergic to so i can avoid it in the future. unfortunately the allergist s being no help. The reason why i decided to ask here is that typically the experience of an illness is much different than how it often comes across with a series of symptoms.  As for Cleure I'd like to know what food list they saw that says avacado is low. I've talked to a few  now that avacado would definitely set off. I use them but you can't y Sal free  if it's not. lower sal than most make up yes. Either way it's not of much concern to me at the moment. For protein I've eaten a lot of beans and according to my intake it seems to be enough.

[seraphim]

just read the first link. thank you. the other seems to be a pdf and won't load. i will open it later on my desktop.

[IrishHeart]

  On 6/26/2013 at 1:51 AM, seraphim said:

 The reason why i decided to ask here is that typically the experience of an illness is much different than how it often comes across with a series of symptoms.  

 

I really do not understand this sentence, hon

[IrishHeart]

  On 6/26/2013 at 1:51 AM, seraphim said:

 As for Cleure I'd like to know what food list they saw that says avacado is low. I've talked to a few  now that avacado would definitely set off. I use them but you can't y Sal free  if it's not.

 

which product has avocado in it? have you asked the company about this?

[IrishHeart]

  On 6/26/2013 at 1:51 AM, seraphim said:

 For protein I've eaten a lot of beans and according to my intake it seems to be enough.

 

beans are good protein, yes. But what else do you eat for protein?  You are expressing concerns about malnourishment and maybe we can help you broaden your protein intake with some suggestions.

[seraphim]

Sorry. Sometimes you get a better idea of how a certain illness operates by talking to people who have had it. Sometimes a simple list of symptoms can be misleading. I know people who eat low sal but many are not gluten free so i hoped someone who is might be here as I've seen some posts in the past on it. If i were to go by  I've already talked to....I'm left feeling hopeless like I'm stuck and will never get out of thethe low sal hole. If it is my problem in the end....my body will hate me. It's simply not a realistic diet in my opinion

[seraphim]

avacado butter in their mineral lipstick. i have not yet no. plan to.

[seraphim]

i have not had any other protein since feb

[IrishHeart]

ANY diet that severely limits food groups and choices without an adequate nutritional substitute is not realistic or healthy.

 

Sal and histamine intolerances require finding your tolerance level, not eliminating every food under the sun.

 

Read the links I gave you, please.

 

Why can't you eat any other proteins? 

[seraphim]

I was eating beef in february and ended up turned off. was going to have some omaha steaks stuff but our order got flubbed then this ill feeling of not being able to eat hit me and so i haven't fixed up our order yet. i was concerned about my b12.

[IrishHeart]

I honestly think you need to add meats, fish, poultry, eggs to your diet, IMHO.

[seraphim]

i agree wholeheartedly.....but....i dunno if i can stomach at the moment. wouldn't hurt to re order though.

[IrishHeart]

start small. Eat a beef patty or some broiled chicken. 

[seraphim]

yeah. one thing that also worries me....my body is very acidic right now and it's hard to find much variety in alkaline low sal foods.

[IrishHeart]

How exactly do you measure acidity in your body?? 

 

the foods I just mentioned have no sals in them!! you can eat all of them

 

see this chart?? 

Negligible levels of salicylates

Chicken

Eggs

Fish

Lamb

Organ meats

Rabbit

Sausage casing

Scallops

Tripe

Veal

 

it's from here

 

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I feel as if every suggestion I offer, you have a reason why it's not a good one.

 

I offered you everything I know about these food intolerances.

 

Read up on the lists. Hope it helps.

 

I have to get some sleep. Good night! Take care!

[seraphim]

My blood test showed above referance range anion gap. Also...unrelated to acidity i think...low lymphocytes and high monocytes.

[seraphim]

i know meats are low. i was just referancing alkaline low sal foods because i am already acidic and meats are acidic. i don't want to get worse so i need to figure out some alkaline.

[IrishHeart]

The anion gap is an indicator of acidosis. This is not the same as saying "my body is acidic".  Those are two entirely different things.

 

Let your doctor go over the test results with you before you assume anything.

 

Levels on blood tests fluctuate often.

 

If your anion gap was so high you would have acidosis, from diabetes (which you don't have ) or kidney disease (which you don't have either)

 

Do not assume things until you sit with the doctor and go over your blood work.

 

that's my best advice. Good night.

[Lima Bean]

  On 6/26/2013 at 2:52 AM, seraphim said:

yeah. one thing that also worries me....my body is very acidic right now and it's hard to find much variety in alkaline low sal foods.

 

 

I have never found any real info about people being "acidic".  It is usually just these fringe "doctors" that like to say that stuff. 

 

All you food mixes with acid in your stomach at the start of digestion so I guess it would become acidic then. 

 

Sounds like you just need to force yourself to eat a little bit every hour or so until your body get used to eating.  When a person has been starving themselves, it can be hard to digest anything and you may just have to force yourself for a while.  If you are really "turned off" by eating, you might want to look for some eating disorder counseling and dieticians.  They know how to help you start the healthy eating process.

[Lima Bean]

I knew I had found something about this on WebMD when someone was trying to sell me something related to this nonsense.

 

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[IrishHeart]

  On 6/26/2013 at 3:04 AM, seraphim said:

i know meats are low. i was just referancing alkaline low sal foods because i am already acidic and meats are acidic. i don't want to get worse so i need to figure out some alkaline.

 

 

The alkaline diet could  over-restrict protein and calcium, though. Not a good idea unless it is supervised by a medical doctor. (that article Lima Bean posted explains it in detail)

 

By the way. I asked you this last night. but you did not really answer me--who told you that your body is "acidic"?

 

Your body's pH is not something indicated in the anion gap result you are worried about.

 

I hope your doctor will see you soon and explain the blood work results to you.

[GottaSki]

  On 6/26/2013 at 2:11 AM, seraphim said:

avacado butter in their mineral lipstick. i have not yet no. plan to.

 

I have severe reaction to avocado -- anaphylaxis - but do NOT blood or scratch allergy test positive....this is caused by Histamine Intolerance.

[GottaSki]

  On 6/26/2013 at 2:58 AM, seraphim said:

My blood test showed above referance range anion gap. Also...unrelated to acidity i think...low lymphocytes and high monocytes.

 

Still think you need to talk to a good internist and allergist about your blood tests -- we can't look at all your results here and we are not doctors....

 

Google is very helpful, but be careful not to react too quickly to info you find on the net....if you think you have found something that relates to your specific symptoms -- research further -- try to find published papers or at least university medical center info rather than blogs.