Has anyone heard of the Covid vaccine/boosters triggering the celiac disease gene to cause celiac disease ?

[T burd]

6 hours ago, Sabaarya said:

What is drug induced lupus? Do you have lupus?

good question. Many drugs can cause autoimmune response. The one I noticed was an antidepressant celexa. Antibiotics can also. HCQ can and they put me on that!!! I have lupus symptoms. Joint pain, swelling, fatigue, brain fog. Feels like pregnancy. But not the organ damage. DIL is supposed to go away, but I seem to be getting worse. I’m getting checked out now to see if other things are involved. 

 

[T burd]

17 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I am not sure this is correct, and just want to share this article:

 

Yeah I drank soup after my daughter many times while she was sick and had zero covid illness. Even though I have clear other autoimmune issues going on…

17 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I am not sure this is correct, and just want to share this article:

 

Yeah I drank soup after my daughter many times while she was sick and had zero covid illness. Even though I have clear other autoimmune issues going on…

17 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I am not sure this is correct, and just want to share this article:

 

Yeah I drank soup after my daughter many times while she was sick and had zero covid illness. Even though I have clear other autoimmune issues going on…

17 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I am not sure this is correct, and just want to share this article:

 

Yeah I drank soup after my daughter many times while she was sick and had zero covid illness. Even though I have clear other autoimmune issues going on…

17 hours ago, Scott Adams said:

I am not sure this is correct, and just want to share this article:

 

Yeah I drank soup after my daughter many times while she was sick and had zero covid illness. Even though I have clear other autoimmune issues going on…

[T burd]

6 hours ago, trents said:

https://www.lupus.org/resources/about-drug-induced-lupus

The link is good except it misleads people into thinking only those types of drugs cause it. Diflucan, some antibiotics, HCQ, antidepressants can also cause it in people susceptible to it like me. Very common drugs. I saw stuffers linking most of these to DIL.

[nansissons]

On 5/29/2022 at 9:53 PM, Sabaarya said:

Actually my celiac disease was triggered after I got Covid 2 years ago. I didn’t have any problems before Covid. 2 month after Covid I started experiencing all celiac symptoms but at that time I didn’t know it was celiac. I was wondering why I’m not getting better,muscle pain,feet pain,joint pain,hair thinning,anemia,occasional diarrhea,pain under my ribs,back pain,hand tingling, buzzing in my ears. After experiencing all of that for 2 years I did find out that I have celiac disease and it was not Covid side effects. Covid just activated my celiac gene…

I'm glad I found this site ,I have had celiac since I was a baby ,I had the first vaccine was sick for 2,months my second shot well I got that done last summer and I'm still sick , I was wondering if celiac could be bad I also thought my epilepsy might a side effect with the vaccine , I'm not going for my booster,But I still wear my mask as well 

[Scott Adams]

Welcome to the forum @nansissons. Has your diet been 100% gluten-free? Epilepsy can be related to celiac disease, so be sure your diet is gluten-free. If you eat out at restaurants you may be getting trace amounts in your diet.

As far as the vaccine causing either celiac disease or epilepsy, so far I haven't see any scientific publications that show a link. It there may be such a link that hasn't yet been discovered, it would seem to me that getting covid-19 might be an even greater risk than the vaccine, so you are likely better off vaccinated than not.

[T burd]

1 hour ago, Scott Adams said:

Welcome to the forum @nansissons. Has your diet been 100% gluten-free? Epilepsy can be related to celiac disease, so be sure your diet is gluten-free. If you eat out at restaurants you may be getting trace amounts in your diet.

As far as the vaccine causing either celiac disease or epilepsy, so far I haven't see any scientific publications that show a link. It there may be such a link that hasn't yet been discovered, it would seem to me that getting covid-19 might be an even greater risk than the vaccine, so you are likely better off vaccinated than not.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34957554/

[Scott Adams]

Interesting article for sure, but is more of a discussion based on a small handful of cases, so it's not really the broad study I was hoping for. It does seem possible that there could be a certain number of autoimmune disease cases triggered by the vaccines, and they do discuss a case of Type 1 diabetes possibly being triggered, but don't mention celiac disease. It also mentions that getting the live virus could also cause such issues as well, thus, getting the vaccine would still likely be the best bet for most people. Here is the full article:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/imm.13443 

[Wheatwacked]

Celiac Disease and many other autoimmune diseases have a common finding: Low Vitamin D. We hide from the sun and the health agencies warn us of imminent danger of hypervitaminosis D. Maybe it is bad advice. 

About 25% of the US population have less than sufficient >29 nm/ml. plasma vitamin D.

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According to recent studies, vitamin D deficiency is likely to be an important etiological factor in the pathogenesis of many chronic diseases, as well as it has been associated with higher mortality rate for respiratory disease. Vitamin D and infectious diseases Miragliotta G, Miragliotta L. Vitamin D and infectious diseases. Endocr Metab Immune Disord Drug Targets. 2014;14(4):267-71. doi: 10.2174/1871530314666141027102627. PMID: 25386893.

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Patients with a vitamin D deficiency were 14 times more likely to have a severe or critical case of COVID-19. Additionally, the mortality rate for those with insufficient vitamin D levels was 25.6%, compared with 2.3% among those with adequate levels.  What is the link between vitamin D levels and COVID-19?

 

[T burd]

4 hours ago, Wheatwacked said:

Celiac Disease and many other autoimmune diseases have a common finding: Low Vitamin D. We hide from the sun and the health agencies warn us of imminent danger of hypervitaminosis D. Maybe it is bad advice. 

About 25% of the US population have less than sufficient >29 nm/ml. plasma vitamin D.

 

Slightly low D is what I had at diagnosis. I had developed drug induced lupus (which does not go away for me like it’s supposed to) and low D can cause lupus as well. 
 

 

[Sabaarya]

On 5/31/2022 at 2:03 PM, nansissons said:

I'm glad I found this site ,I have had celiac since I was a baby ,I had the first vaccine was sick for 2,months my second shot well I got that done last summer and I'm still sick , I was wondering if celiac could be bad I also thought my epilepsy might a side effect with the vaccine , I'm not going for my booster,But I still wear my mask as well 

I got pretty sick after my Covid vaccine as well. I had Jansen so it was only 1 dose. How old are you Nansi?:)

[StacyLS]

I developed gluten intolerance about 6 weeks after my second COVID vaccine. In searching the literature to see if any correlation had been found, I found research where researchers  induce gluten intolerance in mice by injecting an RNA virus. COVID is an RNA virus from the same Realm and Kingdom as the virus that Is used in research. I must wonder if there is enough similarity between the viruses (Reovirus and Coronavirus) for the vaccine to induce celiac and non-celiac gluten intolerance in humans. Just a theory, but it makes me wonder. 

[cristiana]

"It also mentions that getting the live virus could also cause such issues as well, thus, getting the vaccine would still likely be the best bet for most people."

I think what this says, Scott, is a very good point.   A sibling and I developed both arrhythmia c. 10 days after our second jab.   We didn't realise this coincidence until some months later when we compared diaries.  But we were still encouraged by the medics and the British Heart Foundation Charity to have boosters because we were told that having actual Covid could be worse for us.  I felt there was some merit in this argument, and decided to have a booster.  It didn't make things worse.

Edited July 1, 2022 by cristiana

[Wheatwacked]

If your immune status is low from nutritional deficiency caused by diet or malabsorption syndrome, it seems to me that any extra load caused by the flu, or covid or similar, could lower it enough to let the immune system get out of control. Low Vitamin D (immune system master controller?) and zinc (antiviral) seem to be integral, but this is a guess, not enough research. I do know that since 2004 when I started using Cold-Eeze whenever I feel a scratchy throat I have not had a cold or virus and with my vitamin D plasma at 80 ng/ml since 2019 I don't even need the lozenges very often. Prior to 2004 I would get a bad cold two or three times a year.

[cristiana]

@Wheatwacked how much D do you take?  I've been prescribed 800 iu D3 a day but I wonder if it might not be enough.

[trents]

2 hours ago, cristiana said:

@Wheatwacked how much D do you take?  I've been prescribed 800 iu D3 a day but I wonder if it might not be enough.

I would not think 800IU daily is enough to really make any difference. I take 4000IU daily and some are recommending more than that. Some years ago there was a lot of caution about taking too much D3 because it is fat soluble but those early limits have proved to be overly conservative and to result in sub-therapeutic administrations. Wheatwacked is really up on this and recommends 10k IU daily I believe. It will also depend on how much exposure you get to sunlight. Both you and I live in places where direct sunlight can be a scarce commodity for major parts of each year.

[nansissons]

16 hours ago, StacyLS said:

I developed gluten intolerance about 6 weeks after my second COVID vaccine. In searching the literature to see if any correlation had been found, I found research where researchers  induce gluten intolerance in mice by injecting an RNA virus. COVID is an RNA virus from the same Realm and Kingdom as the virus that Is used in research. I must wonder if there is enough similarity between the viruses (Reovirus and Coronavirus) for the vaccine to induce celiac and non-celiac gluten intolerance in humans. Just a theory, but it makes me wonder. 

 

On 5/29/2022 at 9:53 PM, Sabaarya said:

Actually my celiac disease was triggered after I got Covid 2 years ago. I didn’t have any problems before Covid. 2 month after Covid I started experiencing all celiac symptoms but at that time I didn’t know it was celiac. I was wondering why I’m not getting better,muscle pain,feet pain,joint pain,hair thinning,anemia,occasional diarrhea,pain under my ribs,back pain,hand tingling, buzzing in my ears. After experiencing all of that for 2 years I did find out that I have celiac disease and it was not Covid side effects. Covid just activated my celiac gene…

Thank for the info I got my second vaccine done a year a go and I'm still dealing with it so I'm not doing the booster vaccine I have to do alot of bed rest 

[nansissons]

4 hours ago, cristiana said:

@Wheatwacked how much D do you take?  I've been prescribed 800 iu D3 a day but I wonder if it might not be enough.

I just do the diet I was diagnosed with Celiac when I was a baby

4 hours ago, cristiana said:

@Wheatwacked how much D do you take?  I've been prescribed 800 iu D3 a day but I wonder if it might not be enough.

I was diagnosed with celiac disease when I was a baby

[Wheatwacked]

I've been taking 10000 iu (250 mcg) since early 2015. In 2018 I was up to 47 ng/ml. Jan 2020, 87 then Sept 2021 at 80. People with more fat need more to raise blood level because it is stored in the fat. It seems the major concern is calcification but it is actually quite rare.  The study that convinced me was of Kidney transplant patients getting various doses up to a one time 1.25 million IU.

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Ekwaru et al16 recently reported on more than 17,000 healthy adult volunteers participating in a preventative health program and taking varying doses of vitamin D up to 20,000 IU/d. These patients did not demonstrate any toxicity, and the blood level of 25(OH)D in those taking even 20,000 IU/d was less than 100 ng/mL" Vitamin D Is Not as Toxic as Was Once Thought: A Historical and an Up-to-Date Perspective

 

[Jim Chris]

On 6/30/2022 at 9:50 PM, StacyLS said:

I developed gluten intolerance about 6 weeks after my second COVID vaccine. In searching the literature to see if any correlation had been found, I found research where researchers  induce gluten intolerance in mice by injecting an RNA virus. COVID is an RNA virus from the same Realm and Kingdom as the virus that Is used in research. I must wonder if there is enough similarity between the viruses (Reovirus and Coronavirus) for the vaccine to induce celiac and non-celiac gluten intolerance in humans. Just a theory, but it makes me wonder. 

I was diagnosed with Celiac in May of 2022. I had been having lots of symptoms of covid for maybe a year before this. I kept wondering how did I get celiac at 70 years of age. I have had two moderna vaccinations and two subsequent boosters. I believe what you are saying may be more than just theory. I hope there would be a study to prove or disprove it but I'm thinking this may be more than just a coincidence. Thanks for bring this up.

Jim C

[trents]

2 hours ago, Jim Chris said:

I was diagnosed with Celiac in May of 2022. I had been having lots of symptoms of covid for maybe a year before this. I kept wondering how did I get celiac at 70 years of age. I have had two moderna vaccinations and two subsequent boosters. I believe what you are saying may be more than just theory. I hope there would be a study to prove or disprove it but I'm thinking this may be more than just a coincidence. Thanks for bring this up.

Jim C

Jim C, for people in your age group to develop celiac disease is not uncommon at all. We see this over and over on the forum and that was true before COVID. The incidence of celiac disease in your age group has not changed but what has changed is that there is more awareness of celiac disease in general in the medical community such that more people of all age groups are being checked for it. Then too, you may have had celiac disease for years before diagnosis but the symptoms were not yet severe enough to prompt investigation. 

[Anne Jory]

You’re welcome Chris. It’s a question we may never know the answer to in our lifetime, but hopefully research will be done to see if there is a correlation to celiac and possibly other autoimmune disorders. You said you had Covid symptoms for a year. Did you mean celiac symptoms ? Good luck on your journey with this disease, we can all use a little luck…….l

[Jim Chris]

3 hours ago, Anne Jory said:

You’re welcome Chris. It’s a question we may never know the answer to in our lifetime, but hopefully research will be done to see if there is a correlation to celiac and possibly other autoimmune disorders. You said you had Covid symptoms for a year. Did you mean celiac symptoms ? Good luck on your journey with this disease, we can all use a little luck…….l

Yes, celiac not covid, although I just did get covid at the end of June. Very mild and not long lasting. Dr said because of my vaccinations and boosters. So what do we do?

 

[Ddowda74]

On 5/30/2022 at 6:52 AM, knitty kitty said:

@Anne Jory,

A stressor, like receiving the Covid vaccines, causes your immune system to gear up and make anti-Covid antibodies.  This immune system response uses up lots of Thiamine Vitamin B1 and can tip the balance into Thiamine deficiency. 

Symptoms of Thiamine deficiency include unintentional weight loss, diarrhea, and thyroid problems.  Without enough thiamine, the thyroid can become underactive (hypothyroidism).  During times when we get more thiamine from our daily diet, the thyroid may become overactive (hyperthyroidism).  This can lead to fluctuations in thyroid function, swinging from high to low and back again.  

Scientific research shows that when there's a deficiency of Thiamine, the thiamine transporter gene turns off signalling other genes down the line to turn on.  The other genes that get turned on are autoimmune diseases like Celiac, Diabetes, thyroid problems (hyper and hypo thyroidism) and more.  

Here's some articles by Dr. Derrick Lonsdale and Dr. Chandler Marrs, leaders in this field....

Hiding in Plain Sight: Modern Thiamine Deficiency

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8533683/

And...

https://www.hormonesmatter.com/vaccination-stressor/

And...

https://www.hormonesmatter.com/tag/gardasil-and-pots/

Do get checked for vitamin and mineral deficiencies caused by malabsorption due to Celiac Disease.  Discuss with your doctor the benefits of supplementing thiamine and the other B Complex vitamins and minerals while you heal.

Hope this helps!

Wondering which type of  doctor to go to for this testing. Thanks

On 5/29/2022 at 8:52 PM, trents said:

Welcome to the forum, Anne Jory!

I have not heard that the vaccine triggers celiac disease but I think there is still a lot we don't know about the effects of the vaccine long term.

I believe we do know that people who have celiac disease are more susceptible to contracting COVID and we also know that those with the genetic potential for celiac disease need some kind of stress trigger to "turn on" the genes to produce active celiac disease. 

I was wondering this as well. My symptoms have been a lot worse since I had Covid! 

[trents]

Ddowada74, you asked: "Wondering which type of doctor to go to for this testing?"

Vitamin level testing is really not very useful in many or most cases. It only measures that which is floating around in the blood, not what is actually making it into the cells that make up our tissues and organs. Symptoms of deficiencies are much more useful in dx them. 

IMO, the only good way to test for a thiamine deficiency is to start taking a good quality, easily assimilated thiamine supplement. The benfotiamine form of thiamine will give you the fastest and best results. Many people who actually have thiamine deficiencies report that they see significant symptom improvement within hours or days.

Edited August 8, 2022 by trents

[Ddowda74]

11 minutes ago, trents said:

Ddowada74, you asked: "Wondering which type of doctor to go to for this testing?"

Vitamin level testing is really not very useful in many or most cases. It only measures that which is floating around in the blood, not what is actually making it into the cells that make up our tissues and organs. Symptoms of deficiencies are much more useful in dx them. 

IMO, the only good way to test for a thiamine deficiency is to start taking a good quality, easily assimilated thiamine supplement. The benfotiamine form of thiamine will give you the fastest and best results. Many people who actually have thiamine deficiencies report that they see significant symptom improvement within hours or days.

Thank you so much Trents! I had heard that about Vitamin B and Magnesium deficiency. I did test very low for iron and vitamin D when they did a thyroid and blood panel.