Question

[JoeJoe86]

Here's a question. If meat is gluten free meaning the animal meat is free from gluten (from the grain) then how is it that corn fed chicken is a yellow colour and the meat is a more dence meat to eat and grass fed beef also tastes different to grain fed. If the animals diet of grain, corn or grass is not effecting the flesh.. Then how does the corn and grass fed animals meat taste and look different. Why

I am effected by grain fed meats. 

[trents]

As far as the taste and texture difference of the meats when grain or corn fed my guess would be the fat content. I do know that grain fed beef (and pork) has higher fat content than grass fed. That is why it is more tender and tastier (according to most people). Not sure if it works that way for chickens but I don't see why not. 

But that wouldn't necessarily explain why that affects you adversely. How exactly does it affect you? Are you saying you feel "glutened"?

[Scott Adams]

Certainly the food an animal eats can affect many things, including is size and perhaps even color, however, if you are suggesting that the meat may not be gluten-free if an animal eats gluten grains, there is no evidence that I've seen over the last 25+ years that would support this concept. It does come up here regularly, and it would be great if a study were done on this so we could finally put it to rest.

[knitty kitty]

A Research Communication Brief: Gluten Analysis in Beef Samples Collected Using a Rigorous, Nationally Representative Sampling Protocol Confirms That Grain-Finished Beef Is Naturally Gluten-Free

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5622696/

And...

A review of fatty acid profiles and antioxidant content in grass-fed and grain-fed beef

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/

And...

Fatty Acid Composition of Grain- and Grass-Fed Beef and Their Nutritional Value and Health Implication

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8728510/

Or...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35028571/

 

[knitty kitty]

Stress levels, how cattle are treated preceding and at time of slaughter, influences meat taste and texture.

 

Understanding the Determination of Meat Quality Using Biochemical Characteristics of the Muscle: Stress at Slaughter and Other Missing Keys

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7823487/

And...

Effect of stress during slaughter on carcass characteristics and meat quality in tropical beef cattle

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463084/

And...

The Impact of Pre-Slaughter Stress on Beef Eating Quality

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6769826/

 

[Scott Adams]

Thanks for this, and it reminded me that we did summarize that study:

 

[JoeJoe86]

On 9/20/2022 at 11:41 PM, trents said:

As far as the taste and texture difference of the meats when grain or corn fed my guess would be the fat content. I do know that grain fed beef (and pork) has higher fat content than grass fed. That is why it is more tender and tastier (according to most people). Not sure if it works that way for chickens but I don't see why not. 

But that wouldn't necessarily explain why that affects you adversely. How exactly does it affect you? Are you saying you feel "glutened"?

Hi I should have phrased it differently I believe I was effected by meat but after the replies and links its can't be the meat or eggs. It must be something else going on. 

On 9/21/2022 at 6:20 PM, Scott Adams said:

Thanks for this, and it reminded me that we did summarize that study:

 

Hi I should have phrased it differently I believe I was effected by meat but after the replies and links its can't be the meat or eggs. It must be something else going on. Brilliant thankyou for your replies Scott. 

[Scott Adams]

I'm not sure what form the meat was in, but if it was lunch meat or similar this article might be interesting:

 

[JoeJoe86]

On 9/20/2022 at 2:37 PM, JoeJoe86 said:

Here's a question. If meat is gluten free meaning the animal meat is free from gluten (from the grain) then how is it that corn fed chicken is a yellow colour and the meat is a more dence meat to eat and grass fed beef also tastes different to grain fed. If the animals diet of grain, corn or grass is not effecting the flesh.. Then how does the corn and grass fed animals meat taste and look different. Why

I am effected by grain fed meats.

(I thought it was meat) 

After the tremendous replies thankyou I will look at my diet again and revaluate my way of thinking. I'm the only celiac I know. Still working my body out. Thankyou all. 

[JoeJoe86]

On 9/21/2022 at 1:23 PM, knitty kitty said:

Stress levels, how cattle are treated preceding and at time of slaughter, influences meat taste and texture.

 

Understanding the Determination of Meat Quality Using Biochemical Characteristics of the Muscle: Stress at Slaughter and Other Missing Keys

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7823487/

And...

Effect of stress during slaughter on carcass characteristics and meat quality in tropical beef cattle

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463084/

And...

The Impact of Pre-Slaughter Stress on Beef Eating Quality

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6769826/

 

Thanks I'm still working things out it can't be meat I must be reacting to something else takes me out for well over a week. 

Hi I should have phrased it differently I believe I was effected by meat but after the replies and links its can't be the meat or eggs. It must be something else going on. 

[knitty kitty]

@JoeJoe86,

We have had posters that have a "meat allergy" after being infected with Lyme Disease which is treatable with antibiotics.

However, an allergy to eggs is a thing by itself.  Some Celiacs can develop a sensitivity to eggs, but this may remedy itself after fully healing.  

Keeping a food diary is very helpful.  

I've found the Autoimmune Protocol Diet very helpful in healing.  It's basically meat, veggies and some fruits.  Not to be eaten foods include dairy, nightshades (tomatoes, potatoes, peppers and eggplant), grains, rice, quinoa, nuts, seeds, legumes, etc.  

Following a low histamine diet can be helpful as well.  Alcohol, wines, citrus fruits, fermented foods, and other high histamine foods are excluded.  Part of the Celiac immune response involves releasing histamine.  High histamine foods add to this until our cup runneth over and we feel horrible.  

Processed gluten free facsimile foods are often nutritionally lacking.  

Check for nutritional deficiencies as part of proper follow up care for Celiac patients.  A good B Complex supplement may be beneficial.

[Scott Adams]

19 hours ago, JoeJoe86 said:

Thanks I'm still working things out it can't be meat I must be reacting to something else takes me out for well over a week. 

Hi I should have phrased it differently I believe I was effected by meat but after the replies and links its can't be the meat or eggs. It must be something else going on. 

At the time of my diagnosis I could not eat chicken eggs, and around 5 other foods. These intolerances turned out to be temporary, and I was able to add back nearly all of them after 2-3 years on a gluten-free diet. Try duck eggs if you can find them. They can be found in some farmer's markets, and Asian supermarkets (don't buy ones with a red Sharpie mark on them, as those contain developed embryos--make sure they are fresh, which are usually marked with a black Sharpie or no mark at all).