thoughts on juicing?

[LaLeoLoca]

Hi all! I am at four weeks gluten free tomorrow, still a very long way to go but every few days I see a little progress. And that’s a lot!

I tried having some vitamixed carrots (liquid) last night, hoping it would be pre digested enough that I could handle the fresh veg. I was up late (3am) with tummy discomfort. Leaky gut is definitely a Big problem. 

My issue is that my tummy is so, so sensitive, but I want to stay away from packaged foods as much as possible. Right now I’m living off packages applesauce (no added sugar), small servings of beans with a tiny bit of cheese (only some days), dried mangoes (no sugar), bits of toast, etc. I can handle one vitamix clementine with half a banana. Sometimes good yogurt. Nuts. 

I eat three small meals a day  to get all my pills down; I can only eat if I take my gluten enzymes (pure encapsulations) and one serving of kefir with each meal. I have to eat super slowly, and pain is part of the  deal though enzymes and kefir are very helpful. (Thanks again to you good  people for getting me this far!)

My quandary is that I need nutrition, but clearly can’t process the fresh veg and more fruit I probably need. Supplements, though critical, will only get a body  so far and I want to do my best.

I have seen mixed forum thoughts on juicing, but see  the logic of it—you get everything except the fiber, which is what I can’t digest right now. 

The other issue is that cold or masticating juicer models cost a lot. The centrifugal models can create oxidation that may zap nutrients (and the juicer my mom used to use in that style was like drinking pulpy barf, sorry). Not trying to be a snob at all—if anyone has a model they like, I’m very open to recommendations.

For now I can try vitamixing and straining, though this creates that oxidation as well. And is a bit of work.

 Have you tried juicing, especially in early recovery? Was it gentle enough on your tum? Is there a meaningful nutrient benefit or is juicing not worth it?

I have read so many accounts of people having bad digestive trouble for years after going gluten free  and am concerned about getting as many nutrients as I can while respecting the reality of my digestive limits.

Thank you, as always!

 

 

[Rogol72]

Hey @LaLeoLoca, sounds like you're having a really tough time. I saw you're previous posts and see that you have UC. I empathise with you cause I also have UC, in remission for years thankfully. Personally, anytime I tried juicing it didn't sit well with my stomach, but I was an undiagnosed Coeliac at the time. Juicing can raise blood sugar which is not good for autoimmune diseases. I'm not in any rush back to try juicing again at present. Some of the foods you're eating are hard on a sensitive stomach, gluten-free toast, nuts, beans, and dairy is inflammatory.

Supplements suggested in your other thread really do help the body heal. Minerals and trace minerals are especially important in my opinion. Is your UC in remission at the moment?

I've had some gum recession and bleeding gums, but I've reversed both conditions by supplementing, eliminating every trace of CC and following the AIP diet mostly. It's tough, but it worked.

Well cooked soft vegetables and meats or stews may be the best thing for now since you're stomach is in such a sensitive state. If it's any consolation to you I know what it's like having both conditions. Hang in there. You will get through this.

[LaLeoLoca]

Thanks! For the record, I would be juicing mostly vegetables, so there would not be a lot of sugar.

I did very poorly with meats and cooked veg. I also have mycotoxin poisoning which can take years or longer to heal. I’m looking to mostly triage at this point.

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[knitty kitty]

@LaLeoLoca,

I do wish you would reconsider the raw veggies.  Grinding veggies and drinking the juice is not the same as "pre digesting" them.   People who are vegetarian have lower Vitamin B12.  B12 is needed to remove histamine.  Histamine release is part of the inflammation response.  

You said "leaky gut is a big problem."  Could you explain what you mean by "leaky gut"?  I think we're on different pages on that reference.

I agree with @Rogol72 about following the Autoimmune Protocol Diet (AIP diet).  (I've followed it myself and have had great improvement.)  Many of the foods you are eating are inflammatory.  The AIP diet was developed by a Celiac doctor, and has been scientifically shown to promote intestinal healing.

I don't understand why you are taking "gluten enzymes" by Pure Encapsulations if you're on a gluten free diet.  You would do better with a Betaine Hydrochloride supplements.  Betaine Hydrochloride would help you digest meats and cooked veggies.  

What medications are you taking?  Certain medications can affect your digestion and inflammation.  

Can you tell me more about your mycotoxin poisoning?  

I strongly believe that supplementing with essential vitamins and minerals are necessary while healing in Celiac Disease.  Giving our bodies the essential building blocks needed allows for a faster recovery and less long term damage.

I'm going to put some links for interested readers...

Nutritional Intake and Biomarker Status in Strict Raw Food Eaters

"Low B12 and high histamine"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35565694/

And...

Meal-Time Supplementation with Betaine HCl for Functional Hypochlorhydria: What is the Evidence?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7238915/

And...

Micronutrient deficiencies in inflammatory bowel disease: trivial or crucial?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4863043/

And...

Thiamine and fatigue in inflammatory bowel diseases: an open-label pilot study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23379830/

And.... 

Effects of thiamine on growth, aflatoxin production, and aflr gene expression in A.parasiticus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5490319/

 

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[LaLeoLoca]

I’m feeling a little attacked, though that is probably not the intention. I will talk to my doctor but so far the juice is helping. My supplements are all approved by her and she is good at what she does. We are all different and I only wanted to talk about juicing, but that is not where the thread is going. Thanks!

[knitty kitty]

@LaLeoLoca,

Not my intention at all.  

I've seen your posts on other threads mentioning many different illnesses.  It breaks my heart to see people suffer.  I know what it feels like.  I've been there.  

I became a Microbiologist to find answers.  I came to the forum to share what I've learned so others don't have to suffer like I did.  

God bless you.

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[Liquid lunch]

Hi again @LaLeoLoca :). Have you tried ribwort plantain? It grows everywhere so any short walk in the countryside will get you more than enough for a green smoothie. It’s amazing stuff! Instant relief and promotes healing.

It’s an immunomodulator so it could be that that’s doing it, anyway it works and tastes good, similar to broad beans.

Also have you looked at vacuum blenders?

About plantain.. ‘Several compounds in plantain weed’s seeds and leaves have been shown to alleviate certain digestive issues (1Trusted Source).

In particular, the seeds contain psyllium, a type of fiber often used as a natural laxative since it absorbs water as it moves through your digestive tract (9Trusted Source, 10Trusted Source). 

According to one review, plantain leaves may also slow the movement of your digestive tract, which may promote bowel regularity and help treat diarrhea (1Trusted Source).

A rat study even found that narrowleaf plantain extract promoted the healing of stomach ulcers (11Trusted Source).

Additionally, some animal studies suggest that plantain weed’s anti-inflammatory properties may aid digestive issues like inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), which can cause symptoms like stomach pain, bloating, and diarrhea (12Trusted Source).

SUMMARY

Plantain weed may decrease inflammation, accelerate wound healing, and support digestive health. ‘

[Scott Adams]

Hello @LaLeoLoca, I haven't tried juicing because I believe that it is much better for digestion to actually chew your food properly--32 times--than to drink food in a juice form. Why? Because very little saliva and lingual lipase (both help you break down various nutrients and starches) are passed into the foods you eat when you drink something, rather than if you simply chew it properly.

Also, and you likely know this already, but since you are only 4 weeks into a gluten-free diet (I assume you got a celiac disease diagnosis), healing the villi damage as quickly as possible may be your best approach, so consider asking your doctor about adding gluten-free versions of L-glutamine and tryptophan, as both have been shown in studies to help heal gut damage.

Do you eat eggs? They are highly nutritious and if you can tolerate them you may want to add as many as possible to your diet until your digestive issues improve.

[Zipper1975]

Juicing is great it used to clear me skin up nicely at age 29-38 but I avoided foods that were not in my blood type ( each blood type has different immunity to food & etc. ) So I just juiced berries most veggies not tomato they are full of lectins ( parts from nature that causes inflammation I'm our gut) I learned that from Dr. Gundry ( a real cardiologist) his lifestyle healthy diet eating hard to do considering can't eat gluten donuts or bread any more ( I learned to bake or make my own .... 😴 That's if I had the energy) so I also avoid brown rice anything because again it has natural stuff called lectins in it naturally but the solution I found out is to use a pressure cooker & that my friends just about destroys all lectins :) have a great day. Zz:) 

[trents]

4 hours ago, Zipper1975 said:

Juicing is great it used to clear me skin up nicely at age 29-38 but I avoided foods that were not in my blood type ( each blood type has different immunity to food & etc. ) So I just juiced berries most veggies not tomato they are full of lectins ( parts from nature that causes inflammation I'm our gut) I learned that from Dr. Gundry ( a real cardiologist) his lifestyle healthy diet eating hard to do considering can't eat gluten donuts or bread any more ( I learned to bake or make my own .... 😴 That's if I had the energy) so I also avoid brown rice anything because again it has natural stuff called lectins in it naturally but the solution I found out is to use a pressure cooker & that my friends just about destroys all lectins https://www.celiac.com/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png have a great day. Zz:) 

It is true that pressure cooking disables lectins in beans and veggies, as does soaking in water and normal cooking, but probably to a lesser extent than pressure cooking.

However, there is no good scientific evidence for the blood type diet: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/the-blood-type-diet-review

Studies purporting to link blood types to food sensitivity were not well-designed and the claim that blood type A people will benefit from focusing on fruits and veggies is undermined by the fact that a diet high in fruits and veggies benefits all blood types.

[LaLeoLoca]

Well, lots of anti juicers as it turns out! But honestly it has been great for me. It’s mostly vegetables and it’s helping me get nutrients in a way my body can handle. It’s not my long term plan, but for however long I need it, it has been very positive. 

 I’m a lot sicker than people can see, and MECFS and POTS are parts of that. I just can’t digest much at all and feel terrible digesting anything. Homemade juice has been excellent and makes me feel a little better. Better juiced veggies than zero veggies. This week I’m doing carrots and beets. Made in the vitamix, then strained. My poop has been better since starting; too much fiber  now is kryptonite.

Thanks for the opinions, but juicing has been great for me.

[Wheatwacked]

Jack Lalane the body builder was a great fan of juicing. He lived into his 90's.

[MiriamW]

On 1/11/2023 at 5:27 PM, LaLeoLoca said:

Well, lots of anti juicers as it turns out! But honestly it has been great for me. It’s mostly vegetables and it’s helping me get nutrients in a way my body can handle. It’s not my long term plan, but for however long I need it, it has been very positive. 

 I’m a lot sicker than people can see, and MECFS and POTS are parts of that. I just can’t digest much at all and feel terrible digesting anything. Homemade juice has been excellent and makes me feel a little better. Better juiced veggies than zero veggies. This week I’m doing carrots and beets. Made in the vitamix, then strained. My poop has been better since starting; too much fiber  now is kryptonite.

Thanks for the opinions, but juicing has been great for me.

Juicing has helped me too but carrots and beetroot have too much sugar, not the best combination for inflammation. I normally use lots of cucumber, some celery, only a little bit of beetroot as it is too strong, one carrot and a lot of parsley (or kale, lettuce...). I don't use Vitamix as that is 'blending', I use a proper juicer which separates the veggie pulp and then you don't have to strain anything. I was told a long time ago to add a drop of olive oil and a vitamin C to slow down oxidation and drink very slowly for maximum effect. Keep each sip in your mouth for a few seconds before swallowing.