Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Could This Be Celiac?


JerryK

Recommended Posts

JerryK Community Regular

I've wondered about Celiac for some time now. What got me wondering about it is I was diagnosed with Enamel Hypoplasia. At age 40 (I'm 45 now) I had to have all my teeth crowned, because they were worn

down 3/4 of the way down to the gumline.

My dentist mentioned he knew of a few things that might cause Enamel Defects and Celiac was one of them.

I don't have much in the way of gastrointestinal symptoms. Periodically I'll be sick for a few days, but always have interpreted this as "something I ate". Any symptoms I do have are somewhat vague: Mild

diarrhea at times, nausea and bloating, fatigue etc... Nothing that would send me frantic to the doctor, who feels great all the time right?

I am of European decent...short stature(male 5'6") and I do have Enamel Hypoplasia. Anyone one else out there who's had tooth problems that led to a celiac disease diagnosis? Any opinions about whether I should be tested?

Thanks Much,

Jerry


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Guest nini

The interesting thing about Celiac is that some people never get ANY symptoms and are only diagnosed because a family member was diagnosed with it and they got their first degree relatives to get screened.

There is no ONE way that Celiac manifests, yes it very well could affect the teeth and if your dentist thinks this is a possible cause it certainly is worth exploring.

JerryK Community Regular
The interesting thing about Celiac is that some people never get ANY symptoms and are only diagnosed because a family member was diagnosed with it and they got their first degree relatives to get screened.

There is no ONE way that Celiac manifests, yes it very well could affect the teeth and if your dentist thinks this is a possible cause it certainly is worth exploring.

Would there be a way I could test it by experimenting with my diet. Say eliminate anything containing gluten for a couple weeks, then start eating it again and see if I get any symptoms. I hate to go to my doctor saying "test me for this" and seem like a hypocondriac, without any data.

Thanks for your response.

lonewolf Collaborator
Would there be a way I could test it by experimenting with my diet. Say eliminate anything containing gluten for a couple weeks, then start eating it again and see if I get any symptoms. I hate to go to my doctor saying "test me for this" and seem like a hypocondriac, without any data.

Thanks for your response.

If you stop eating gluten, you could throw the test results off - then your doctor really might think you're a hypochondriac! :blink: If you want a diagnosis, go to your doctor and ask for the celiac panel to be done ASAP. BTW - I have dental problems too - more cavities as a child than anyone can imagine and now my teeth are practically transparent. I had cavities well into adulthood, but haven't had a single one since going wheat-free 10 years ago.

Guhlia Rising Star

You could do an elimination diet, but that could skew future test results. Your doctor absolutely should not fault you for trying to take a hand in your own health care. I would absolutely get tested. If you don't want to do it through the doctor, you could always test privately with Enterolab. It's out of pocket, but then your doctor and your insurance company would never have to hear about it, or you could try and have it reimbursed by your insurance company. Either way, keep in mind that it is possible to get negative test results EVEN IF YOU HAVE CELIAC DISEASE! There are lots of false negatives, so listen to your body and do what you think is healthiest.

Mango04 Enthusiast
I don't have much in the way of gastrointestinal symptoms. Periodically I'll be sick for a few days, but always have interpreted this as "something I ate". Any symptoms I do have are somewhat vague: Mild

diarrhea at times, nausea and bloating, fatigue etc... Nothing that would send me frantic to the doctor, who feels great all the time right?

Actually it's not normal to have mild D at times, nausea and bloating. These things can be caused by Celiac or non-celiac gluten intolerance (if you get tested by a doctor and test negative, you could still have non-celiac gluten intolerance). I feel great all of the time as long as I steer clear from gluten (and dairy and soy).

Would there be a way I could test it by experimenting with my diet. Say eliminate anything containing gluten for a couple weeks, then start eating it again and see if I get any symptoms. I hate to go to my doctor saying "test me for this" and seem like a hypocondriac, without any data.

Thanks for your response.

You can experiment with gluten if you want. This would probably be instead of getting tested by a doctor, since test results will not be accurate once you've eliminated gluten from your diet. Make sure you eliminate all gluten, including the hidden sources. I'd say you should do this for at least a month (minimum). A couple of weeks isn't long enough. If you feel better, you have your answer. If you feel much worse after reintroducing gluten, you have even more of an answer. You might want to go to a doctor and get tested first. If that doesn't give you an answer, experiment with your diet. It's well worth it.

tarnalberry Community Regular

If you experiment with the diet first, you will not be able to get reliable diagnostic tests from the doctor, because all available tests look for your bodies reaction to ingestion of the substance, and since the reaction occurs in the intestines, you have to wait for enough damage to occur to the intestines that the antibodies generated by the reaction can escape through a damaged intestine into the bloodstream (antibodies are pretty big!). The enamel defects *are* a strong enough sign to go to the doctor for a simple blood test. After the blood is taken, you can consider doing the dietary test for secondary testing - it too is a valid diagnostic test, you just have to do them in the right order.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



JerryK Community Regular
If you stop eating gluten, you could throw the test results off - then your doctor really might think you're a hypochondriac! :blink: If you want a diagnosis, go to your doctor and ask for the celiac panel to be done ASAP. BTW - I have dental problems too - more cavities as a child than anyone can imagine and now my teeth are practically transparent. I had cavities well into adulthood, but haven't had a single one since going wheat-free 10 years ago.

Thanks to everyone for your responses. I appreciate it and will pursue this with my doc. The teeth problems I had were very dramatic. When I was 25, my dentist told me my teeth were hard as granite.

Didn't think I'd ever have a problem with tooth loss. By the time I was 35, my teeth were worn enough that a different dentist was recommending crown reconstruction. By the time I was 40 I HAD to have it done because my teeh were rapidly wearing down to the gum. I don't think you have that dramatic of a change without a reason....

Interestingly I have a twin brother with exactly the same problem. He had to go have his teeth done too.

He's in worse shape than I am, he doesn't exercise and he complains of odd pains everywhere. Says he's really stiff his joints hurt in the morning etc....Wonders what's wrong with him. Putting 2 and 2 together makes me really start to wonder.

Nancym Enthusiast

If your blood tests and/or biopsy come out negative I would advise a dietary trial regardless. The blood tests just don't pick up everyone who is sensitive to gluten.

I was kind of like you, had lots of gas, bloating, occassion (becoming more than occassional) cramping and diarrhea which I thought was just normal. :P

It is rather amazing how flat my stomach became after getting off gluten, then dairy.

dionnek Enthusiast

Sounds like your brother should be tested! My symptoms were what i consider mild also, until someone told me it is not normal to have D or even regular BMs 7 or 8 times a day, every day! :o

I'm still not "normal", since I've only been doing this diet for a week, and haven't seen any improvement, but I've heard it takes several months.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - lizzie42 replied to lizzie42's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      3

      Son's legs shaking

    2. - Scott Adams replied to Russ H's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Anti-endomysial Antibody (EMA) Testing

    3. - knitty kitty replied to lizzie42's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      3

      Son's legs shaking

    4. - Scott Adams replied to Paulaannefthimiou's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      2

      Bob red mill gluten free oats

    5. - knitty kitty replied to SamAlvi's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      6

      High TTG-IgG and Normal TTG-IgA

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,869
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    MaryannHall
    Newest Member
    MaryannHall
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • lizzie42
      Thank you! That's helpful. My kids eat very little processed food. Tons of fruit, vegetables, cheese, eggs and occasional red meat. We do a lot of rice and bean bowls, stir fry, etc.  Do you think with all the fruits and vegetables they need a vitamin supplement? I feel like their diet is pretty healthy and balanced with very limited processed food. The only processed food they eat regularly is a bowl of Cheerios here and there.  Could shaking legs be a symptom of just a one-time gluten exposure? I guess there's no way to know for sure if they're getting absolutely zero exposure because they do go to school a couple times a week. We do homeschool but my son does a shared school 2x a week and my daughter does a morning Pre-K 3 x a week.  At home our entire house is strictly gluten free and it is extremely rare for us to eat out. If we eat at someone else's house I usually just bring their food. When we have play dates we bring all the snacks, etc. I try to be really careful since they're still growing. They also, of course, catch kids viruses all the time so I  want to make sure I know whether they're just sick or they've had gluten. It can be pretty confusing when they're pretty young to even be explaining their symptoms! 
    • Scott Adams
      That is interesting, and it's the first time I heard about the umbilical cord beings used for that test. Thanks for sharing!
    • knitty kitty
      @lizzie42, You're being a good mom, seeking answers for your son.  Cheers! Subclinical thiamine deficiency commonly occurs with anemia.  An outright Thiamine deficiency can be precipitated by the consumption of a high carbohydrate meal.   Symptoms of Thiamine deficiency include feeling shakey or wobbly in the legs, muscle weakness or cramps, as well as aggression and irritability, confusion, mood swings and behavior changes.  Thiamine is essential to the production of neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine which keep us calm and rational.   @Jsingh, histamine intolerance is also a symptom of Thiamine deficiency.  Thiamine is needed to prevent mast cells from releasing histamine at the slightest provocation as is seen in histamine intolerance.  Thiamine and the other B vitamins and Vitamin C are needed to clear histamine from the body.  Without sufficient thiamine and other B vitamins to clear it, the histamine builds up.  High histamine levels can change behavior, too.  High histamine levels are found in the brains of patients with schizophrenia.  Thiamine deficiency can also cause extreme hunger or conversely anorexia.   High carbohydrate meals can precipitate thiamine deficiency because additional thiamine is required to process carbohydrates for the body to use as fuel.  The more carbohydrates one eats daily, the more one needs additional thiamine above the RDA.  Thiamine is water soluble, safe and nontoxic even in high doses. Keep in mind that gluten-free processed foods like cookies and such are not required to be fortified and enriched with vitamins and minerals like their gluten containing counterparts are.  Limit processed gluten-free foods.  They are often full of empty calories and unhealthy saturated fats and additives, and are high in histamine or histamine release triggers.  It's time you bought your own vitamins to supplement what is not being absorbed due to malabsorption of Celiac disease.  Benfotiamine is a form of Thiamine that has been shown to improve intestinal health as well as brain function. Do talk to your doctors and dieticians about supplementing with the essential vitamins and minerals while your children are growing up gluten free.  Serve nutritionally dense foods.  Meats and liver are great sources of B vitamins and minerals. Hope this helps!  Keep us posted on your progress!
    • Scott Adams
      Oats naturally contain a protein called avenin, which is similar to the gluten proteins found in wheat, barley, and rye. While avenin is generally considered safe for most people with celiac disease, some individuals, around 5-10% of celiacs, may also have sensitivity to avenin, leading to symptoms similar to gluten exposure. You may fall into this category, and eliminating them is the best way to figure this out. Some people substitute gluten-free quinoa flakes for oats if they want a hot cereal substitute. If you are interested in summaries of scientific publications on the topic of oats and celiac disease, we have an entire category dedicated to it which is here: https://www.celiac.com/celiac-disease/oats-and-celiac-disease-are-they-gluten-free/   
    • knitty kitty
      @SamAlvi, It's common with anemia to have a lower tTg IgA antibodies than DGP IgG ones, but your high DGP IgG scores still point to Celiac disease.   Since a gluten challenge would pose further health damage, you may want to ask for a DNA test to see if you have any of the commonly known genes for Celiac disease.  Though having the genes for Celiac is not diagnostic in and of itself, taken with the antibody tests, the anemia and your reaction to gluten, it may be a confirmation you have Celiac disease.   Do discuss Gastrointestinal Beriberi with your doctors.  In Celiac disease, Gastrointestinal Beriberi is frequently overlooked by doctors.  The digestive system can be affected by localized Thiamine deficiency which causes symptoms consistent with yours.  Correction of nutritional deficiencies quickly is beneficial.  Benfotiamine, a form of thiamine, helps improve intestinal health.  All eight B vitamins, including Thiamine (Benfotiamine), should be supplemented because they all work together.   The B vitamins are needed in addition to iron to correct anemia.   Hope this helps!  Keep us posted on your progress!
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.