Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Dd's Dexa Scan Results Are In


jen2be2

Recommended Posts

jen2be2 Explorer

Hi Everyone.

You might remember me from a couple of months ago asking about the DEXA scan for my 5 year old daughter.

We just got the results today. She does have low bone density.

They are referring her to an Endocrine Specialist and an Orthopedic Specialist.

As we have HMO, we are going to be waiting a while before we actually can make an appt and get in.

I was hoping that someone could fill me in on what to expect from the Specialists and what they might be looking for.

Thank you!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Trillian Rookie
Hi Everyone.

You might remember me from a couple of months ago asking about the DEXA scan for my 5 year old daughter.

We just got the results today. She does have low bone density.

They are referring her to an Endocrine Specialist and an Orthopedic Specialist.

As we have HMO, we are going to be waiting a while before we actually can make an appt and get in.

I was hoping that someone could fill me in on what to expect from the Specialists and what they might be looking for.

Thank you!

I'm shocked that they did a DEXA on your 5yo. DEXAs are not reliable on people under the age of 35 because they compare your results against a healthy 30 yo female. Obviously your daughter will have much lower density than a 30yo because she is still growing. The scores that are compared are called T values. Her Z-scores are measurements against other people her age. However, there are very few 5yo's that get DEXA scans, so those will also be unreliable.

Remember, your daughter's bones will grow until she is at least 35...

But, lots of people get base-line DEXA scans so they can measure them against future scans. But again, this only works when your original scan is a reliable one to begin with. A 5 yo is constantly growing, so her base exam is naturally going to be different than one she gets in a year.

My DEXA scan showed osteoporosis. I'm 37. That's still very young to have osteo, but it's old enough to worry about low bone density because my t-scores and z-scores were low AND I've had 3 fragility fractures in 3 years. Now that I'm on a gluten-free diet, my doctors expect my bone density to improve. I'll go back and get a new DEXA in a year and expect the t-scores and z-scores to improve. With your daughter, you'd naturally see an improvement because her bone density will improve each year on its own.

Now, there is no single kind of doctor that works with osteoporosis. An endocrinologist will look at the metabolic issues - such as lack of absorption of vitamin D (a common problem with those who have celiac). An orthoped. will look at bone problems in case your daughter has osteomalacia - a common childhood illness that is related to osteoporosis - basically, soft bones.

Make sure her doctors talk to each other!!!! It took a lot of work to get my doctors to talk to each other, but their communication was what led to correct diagnoses and an effective treatment plan.

Good luck to her.

ravenwoodglass Mentor
Hi Everyone.

You might remember me from a couple of months ago asking about the DEXA scan for my 5 year old daughter.

We just got the results today. She does have low bone density.

They are referring her to an Endocrine Specialist and an Orthopedic Specialist.

As we have HMO, we are going to be waiting a while before we actually can make an appt and get in.

I was hoping that someone could fill me in on what to expect from the Specialists and what they might be looking for.

Thank you!

In addition to low bone density did they find that her bone age did or did not corelate to her actual age? I am glad they are checking into this to be on the safe side but I would not be surprised if her next scan improves with just the gluten-free diet and perhaps some supplemental calcium and vitamin D. Excercising can also help with bone density your ped should be able to give you a referral to a physical therapist that can show you and her some excercises. Try not to get overly concerned, hard I know, but she hasn't been gluten-free very long and it can take some time to recover lost ground. Hopefully by the time she sees the specialists there will already be some improvement. One thing I would not do is let them give her any of the drugs that are for postmenapausal women's bone loss, those can have nasty effects even on adults. The chances of them giving her anything like Boniva or something like that is slim but if they do offer do as much research as you can before you agree to put her on them.

trents Grand Master

Your daughter at 5 years of age has plenty of time to recoup bone density. As has been said, make sure she is getting plenty of calcium in her diet, Vitamin D3 and weight bearing/moderate impact exercise such as running, jumping and skipping rope. You are smart to get on top of this now. Make sure her doctors get educated about celiac disease and its detrimental effect on bone density. Go armed with documentation to show them. Remember, many or most docs are not up on celiac disease, though that is slowly improving.

Steve

jen2be2 Explorer

Thank you all for taking the time to respond to my question.

She did have the DEXA scan done at Children's Hospitial. When they gave me the results, they told me that they compared her results to other same race and age children and still found her bone density to be low~ so I am hoping that we are getting the correct test results.

It is good to know that this should get better with time. She has been on a gluten-free diet for almost a year now.

I will look into any supplement that they want to give her. In fact, I will probably come back here to see if anyone has taken what they are asking her to take.

Thanks for letting me know that I should also make a very big effort to keep the Ortho, Endo, GI and PED in the loop on her treatments.

ravenwoodglass Mentor
Thank you all for taking the time to respond to my question.

She did have the DEXA scan done at Children's Hospitial. When they gave me the results, they told me that they compared her results to other same race and age children and still found her bone density to be low~ so I am hoping that we are getting the correct test results.

It is good to know that this should get better with time. She has been on a gluten-free diet for almost a year now.

I will look into any supplement that they want to give her. In fact, I will probably come back here to see if anyone has taken what they are asking her to take.

Thanks for letting me know that I should also make a very big effort to keep the Ortho, Endo, GI and PED in the loop on her treatments.

I am glad that they are not just waiting to see and have given you the referral. You say she has been on the diet for a year now, are they doing any rechecks of her vitamin and mineral blood levels? How are her other celiac related symptoms doing? Are you already giving her supplements, vitamin D and calcium? If not I would start, make sure they are gluten free of course. Has she broken any bones? Is she growing? These are all things they will be looking at. There are a number of things they will be looking for but I would not be surprised if this was due solely to her celiac malabsoption so try not to worry to much. I am providing you some links:

This is the Mayo Clinic

Open Original Shared Link

The NIH

Open Original Shared Link

  • 2 weeks later...
jen2be2 Explorer

They did a whole lot of blood work when she had her 2nd endo and bio. last month. She was fine with all of her vit. levels. Her villi is perfect, but she does still have a mild case of gasritis.

She is on gluten-free vit., but I will not be suprised if they give her some extra Vit. D supplements.

Can low bone density be responsible for her chronic leg pain?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



buffettbride Enthusiast
Can low bone density be responsible for her chronic leg pain?

I'd think so, but I'm no doctor of course.

I know my DD before going gluten free had AWFUL leg pains. They seemed to have shaped up since going gluten-free. Only when she's glutened does she get that leg pain.

I do need to make sure she's getting enough VitD. I've started making her salmon omlettes for breakfast because both salmon and eggs have good VitD content. Plus she takes a multivitamin and calcium supplement (Viactiv caramels are gluten-free (not dairy free though) and are better than swallowing a pill).

ravenwoodglass Mentor
Can low bone density be responsible for her chronic leg pain?

It is possible it is also possible that the pain is muscle and nerve related. I had horrible leg pains every night as a child. They did finally resolve but at quite a cost. The pain seemed to go away at about the time I lost reflexes and partial bladder control. We were very poor so no one looked real hard for what was wrong. My Mom would sit by the side of my bed in tears with hot water bottles and rub my legs but that never did much good. Hopefully she is not experienceing the nerve issues that I did and hopefully she is gluten free, I am sorry but I can't remember whether she is or not. I hope she gets some relief soon. If she is not already taking a sublingual B12 you will want to add that to her vitamins, even if her regular supplements have B12 she may not be absorbing it properly.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      6

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

    2. - Wheatwacked replied to Mark Conway's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      3

      Have I got coeliac disease

    3. - Jmartes71 posted a topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      0

      Gluten tester

    4. - JudyLou replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      6

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

    5. - JudyLou replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      6

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,151
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Nici
    Newest Member
    Nici
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      Welcome, @JudyLou, Your rash sounds very similar to the one I experienced.  Mine was due to a deficiency in Niacin B3, although I had deficiencies in other nutrients as well.  Celiac disease causes malabsorption of all the essential nutrients, but eating a poor diet, taking certain medications, or drinking alcohol can result in deficiency diseases outside of Celiac, too.  Symptoms can wax and wane depending on dietary intake.  I knew an alcoholic who had the "boots" of Pellagra, which would get worse when he was drinking more heavily, and improve when he was drinking less.   Niacin deficiency is called Pellagra.  Symptoms consist of dermatitis, diarrhea, dementia, and death (the four D's).  A scaly rash on the feet and hands and arms are called the "boots" and "gloves" of Pellagra.  Darkened skin around the neck exposed to the sun is Casal's necklace.  Poor farmers with niacin deficient diets were called "red necks" because of this.    Does your rash get worse if you're in the sun?  Mine did.  Any skin exposed to the sun got blistered and scaly.  Arms, legs, neck, head.  Do you have dry, ashy skin on your feet?  The itchiness was not only from the rash, but neuropathy.   My doctors were clueless.  They didn't put all my symptoms together into the three D's.  But I did.  I'd learned about Pellagra at university.  But there weren't supposed to be deficiency diseases anymore in the developed world.  Doubtful it could be that simple, I started supplementing with Niacin and other essential nutrients.  I got better.   One of Niacinamide functions is to help stop mast cells from releasing histamine.  Your allergist gave you doxepin, an antihistamine which stops mast cells from releasing histamine.   Since you do have a Celiac gene, staying on the gluten free diet can prevent Celiac disease from being triggered again.   Interesting Reading: These case studies have pictures... Pellgra revisited.  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4228662/ Steroid-Resistant Rash With Neuropsychiatric Deterioration and Weight Loss: A Modern-Day Case of Pellagra https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12532421/#:~:text=Figure 2.,(right panel) upper limbs.&text=The distribution of the rash,patient's substantial response to treatment.   Cutaneous signs of nutritional disorders https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8721081/#:~:text=Additional causes of yellow skin,the clinical features of Kwashiorkor.   Hello, @Staticgypsy, I would not recommend cutting so many nutritious foods out of ones diet.  Oxalates can cause problems like kidney stones, but our bodies can process oxalates out of our systems with certain vitamins like Vitamins A and D and Pyridoxine B 6.   People with Celiac disease are often low in fat soluble vitamins A and D, as well as the water soluble B vitamins like Pyridoxine B 6.  Focus on serving your granddaughter nutrient dense meals to ensure she gets essential vitamins and minerals that will help her grow. Micronutrient inadequacy and urinary stone disease: an analysis of the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2007-2018 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36976348/ Multivitamins co-intake can reduce the prevalence of kidney stones: a large-scale cross-sectional study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38564076/
    • Wheatwacked
      This doctor is obviously under educated about Celiac Disease. Deficiencies that can cause oral thrush (Candidiasis) mouth ulcers: Thiamine B1 B12 Folate Zinc Vitamin C B2 B6 Iron Malabsorption Syndrome is often co-morbid with Celiac Disease causing multiple deficiencies of the essential vitamins and minerals.  Low or deficient  Vitamin D is almost always found in undiagnosed Celiac Disease. "Over 900 genes have been reported as regulated by vitamin D"  Possible Role of Vitamin D in Celiac Disease Onset  "The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%, with the highest rate seen in blacks (82.1%), followed by Hispanics (69.2%)."    Prevalence and correlates of vitamin D deficiency in US adults
    • Jmartes71
      I saw the thing for testing for gluten when at public places.I absolutely love but I wonder if they would come up with a bracelet or necklace that can detect gluten in the air.I would LOVE that, i know i get debilitating migraine from smelling gluten wheat what have you, all I know is when I go into places like Chevron- gluten Subway, migraine, Costco that food smell of nasty gluten- migraine and same with Walmart subway.I absolutely HATE im that sensitive, my body reacts.Sadly medical hasn't taken core issue of celiac being an issue considering glutenfree ever since 1994 and in their eyes not because they didn't diagnose me. I am and wish I wasn't. If there was a detector of gluten in the air it would make a world of difference. 
    • JudyLou
      Oops! @Staticgypsy, I’ll get the book! Thank you! 
    • JudyLou
      Thank you so much for your help, @trents and @Staticgypsy! I so appreciate your thoughts. My diet is high in foods with oxalates and I don’t notice any issues there. If eliminating gluten from my diet had changed anything I’d be happy to just keep on the gluten-free diet, but with eating gluten several times with no rash, and having a rash when I was many years into gluten-free eating (and was much more careful at that point), I’m just baffled. Many, many thanks to you both. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.