Gluten Protein Destruction

[greendog]

Does anyone know if the Gluten Protein can exist in a vaporized state. I have read and heard that if the substance gluten is in is heated to a temperature where it vaporizes that when it turns back to liquid the protein is gone. I have also read that if a thin crust pizza is baked long enough in a true pizza oven that is like > 500 degrees that the gluten protein is destroyed.

[Lisa]

Well, simply put, no. Temps above 500 would render a burnt pizza and a smoky kitchen. The "vaporized" gluten, along with every other organic substance in the pizza is turned into carbon dioxide as it burns. So, no more gluten and no more pizza.

p.s. recondensing the pizza, less the gluten, into a liquid isn't an option.

[tom]

I have also read that if a thin crust pizza is baked long enough in a true pizza oven that is like > 500 degrees that the gluten protein is destroyed.

I'd like to know where you read that, as they need to be educated.

It's false.

Also, our problem w/ gluten is really w/ a protein fraction inside a gluten molecule. In wheat it's called gliadin.

[tarnalberry]

the 33-mer (chain of 33 amino acids that makes up a section of the whole protein molecule of gliadin) that we react to is *very* durable. tests have shown that it withstands heat over 600 degrees. you can't 'cook' it out.

[Guest Happynwgal2]

Does anyone know if the Gluten Protein can exist in a vaporized state. I have read and heard that if the substance gluten is in is heated to a temperature where it vaporizes that when it turns back to liquid the protein is gone. I have also read that if a thin crust pizza is baked long enough in a true pizza oven that is like > 500 degrees that the gluten protein is destroyed.

A lot of good answers to this already - had this been true, we all would have run to out ovens and baked the gluten to death, while the rest of the food that it was in, would still be yummy and eatable...

A lot of people just don't realize what gluten is in the first place and there is a lot of misinformation out there.

[greendog]

I'd like to know where you read that, as they need to be educated.

It's false.

Also, our problem w/ gluten is really w/ a protein fraction inside a gluten molecule. In wheat it's called gliadin.

I've been on this gluten kick for about 15 of my adult years so I know about the gliadin. How about if the gliadin is in something like alcohol which can be vaporized.

[greendog]

Well, simply put, no. Temps above 500 would render a burnt pizza and a smoky kitchen. The "vaporized" gluten, along with every other organic substance in the pizza is turned into carbon dioxide as it burns. So, no more gluten and no more pizza.

p.s. recondensing the pizza, less the gluten, into a liquid isn't an option.

Well MommaGoose I was actually talking about 2 different situations. One being the pizza in the oven and one being gliadin in a liquid state. When I mentioned vaporized I was actually referring to the gliadin in the liquid state (like alcohol). And in my old moonshining days I think we were able to vaporize some of that liquid. At least before we drank it or it blew up the still.

[psawyer]

It is generally accepted that the distillation process used in making spirit alcohol and distilled vinegar produces a gluten-free product.

This is true not because the gluten is destroyed, but because it does not pass into the vapor. This does not say that gluten cannot be vaporized, but that these processes involve carefully controlled temperatures that are not nearly high enough for that to happen.

[greendog]

It is generally accepted that the distillation process used in making spirit alcohol and distilled vinegar produces a gluten-free product.

This is true not because the gluten is destroyed, but because it does not pass into the vapor. This does not say that gluten cannot be vaporized, but that these processes involve carefully controlled temperatures that are not nearly high enough for that to happen.

Thank you, this is helpful. Do you know of any processing for like Lite Beers that would remove some of the gliadin? I'm sort of an anomoly in that I can't eat a few crumbs of gluten in a breadlike state without having harsh side effects, but can drink some Lite Beers with little or no side effects.