Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Good Article Or Info On Cross Contamination Or Ppm?


stolly

Recommended Posts

stolly Collaborator

Do you know of a good article or book excerpt that explains parts per million and the importance of preventing cross contamination? DDs grandparents (at least 3 of the 4 of them) are a bit skeptical about cc and I think something technical (and in writing) would help. I've done a little search online and looked in the few books I have, and I was hoping to find something a little more "strict." The articles I've pulled up talk about some gluten being ok...not causing a reaction or damage...and I think her grandparents will have a hard time distinguishing between those small amounts (such as the 6mg/day one article said would be ok) and the crumbs and minute amounts of cc we are always trying to prevent. They seem to think even small crumbs are ok, and they are the type that if you give them an inch, they take a mile..."a little bit won't hurt." They don't knowingly give her anything with gluten, but they think we're a bit crazy with all of the handwashing, different pans, utensils, etc. Any suggestions? Thanks


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



irish daveyboy Community Regular
Do you know of a good article or book excerpt that explains parts per million and the importance of preventing cross contamination? DDs grandparents (at least 3 of the 4 of them) are a bit skeptical about cc and I think something technical (and in writing) would help. I've done a little search online and looked in the few books I have, and I was hoping to find something a little more "strict." The articles I've pulled up talk about some gluten being ok...not causing a reaction or damage...and I think her grandparents will have a hard time distinguishing between those small amounts (such as the 6mg/day one article said would be ok) and the crumbs and minute amounts of cc we are always trying to prevent. They seem to think even small crumbs are ok, and they are the type that if you give them an inch, they take a mile..."a little bit won't hurt." They don't knowingly give her anything with gluten, but they think we're a bit crazy with all of the handwashing, different pans, utensils, etc. Any suggestions? Thanks

.

Hi Stolly,

This is the Food Safety Association of Ireland's directive on the avoidance of Cross Contamination.

.

Open Original Shared Link

.

Hope this is of some help.

.

Best Regards,

David

MollyBeth Contributor

You should have them read this site... Maybe if they read the first person stories about how sick people have become after getting glutened from such small amounts it would help. But I can see how a published book or article might carry more weight...

happygirl Collaborator

from Columbia University Open Original Shared Link

Q: Is it ok if I ingest some gluten if I do not experience any symptoms?

No. The majority of patients with celiac disease experience no symptoms when they ingest gluten, either intentionally or unintentionally. This led to the concept that patients, especially children may grow out of the disease. In addition, patients also consider that it is doing no harm to them. However the ingestion of even small amounts of gluten results in damage to the small intestine--regardless of the presence or absence of symptoms--and puts the patient at risk for resulting complications including malignancies and osteoporosis.

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link of celiac disease

MaryJones2 Enthusiast

I am a big fan of this one: Open Original Shared Link

1 part per million is equal to:

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      131,939
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Michelle C.
    Newest Member
    Michelle C.
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Wheatwacked
      Marsh 3b is the Gold Standard of diagnosis for Celiac Disease.  Until recently, regardless of antibody tests, positive or negative, you had to have Marsh 3 damage to be awarded the diagnosis of Celiac. As I understand you,  you were having constant symptoms..  Your symptoms improved on GFD, with occassional flare ups. Did your doctor say you do and you are questioning the diagnosis? Regarding your increasing severity when you get glutened it is "normal.  Gluten acts on the Opiod receptors to numb your body.  Some report withdrawal symptoms on GFD.  I was an alcoholic for 30 years, about 1/2 pint of voda a day. Each time I identified a trigger and dealt with it, a new trigger would pop up.  Even a 30 day rehab stint, with a low fat diet (severe pancreatis) during which I rarely had cravings.  Stopped at a Wendys on the way home and the next day I was drinking again.  20 years later, sick as a dog, bedridden on Thanksgiving, after months of reasearch, I realized that gluten free was my Hail Mary.  Back in 1976 my son was diagnosed at weaning with Celiac Disease and his doctor suggested my wife and I should also be gluten free because it is genetic.  At 25 years old I felt no gastro problems and promised if I ever did I would try gluten free.  Well, I forgot that promise until I was 63.  Three days of gluten and alcohol free, I could no longer tolerate alcohol. Eleven years gluten and alcohol free, with no regrets. Improvement was quick, but always two steps forward and one back.  Over time I found nineteen symptoms that I had been living with for my entire life, that doctors had said, "We don't know why, but that is normal for some people". Celiac Disease causes multiple vitamin and mineral deficiency.  It is an autoimmune disease, meaning your immune system B and T cells create antibodies against ttg(2) the small intestin in Celiac Disease and sometimes ttg(3) in skin in Dermatitis Herpetiformus.  Why is poorly understood.  In fact, it wasn't even know that wheat, barley and rye gluten was the cause.  Celiac Disease was also called Infantilism, because it was deadly, and believed to only be a childhood disease. So as part of your symptoms you must deal with those deficiencies.  Especially vitamin D because it contols your immune system.  Virtually all newly diagnosed Celiacs have vitamin D deficiency.  There are about 30 vitamin and minerals that are absorbed in the small intestine.  With Marsh 3 damage you may be eating the amount everyone else does, but you are not absorbing them into your system, so you will display symptoms of their deficiency.   As time passes and you replenish your deficiencies you may notice other symptoms improve, some you did not even know were sypmptos. Our western diet has many deficiencies build into it.   That is the reason foods with gluten are fortified.  Gluten free processed food are not required to fortify.  Vitamin D, Iodine, choline.  The B vitamins, especially Thiamine (B1) run deficient quickly.  We only store enough thiamine for 2 weeks for symptoms can come on quickly.  Magnesium, zinc, etc. each having its own symptoms affecting multiple systems.  High homocystene, and indicator of vascular inflamation can be cause by deficient Choline, folate, B6 and or B12.  Brain fog, deficient choline, iodine, thiamine. Dietary intake of choline and phosphatidylcholine and risk of type 2 diabetes in men: The Kuopio Ischaemic Heart Disease Risk Factor Study    
    • Rogol72
      I cut out the rice because it was affecting my stomach at the time ... not necessarily dermatitis herpetiformis. It was Tilda Basmati Rice, sometimes wholegrain rice. I was willing to do whatever it took to heal. Too much fiber also disagrees with me as I have UC.
    • trents
      But you didn't answer my question. When you consume gluten, is there an identifiable reaction within a short period of time, say a few hours?
    • Scott Adams
      You can still have celiac disease with negative blood test results, although it's not very common:  Clinical and genetic profile of patients with seronegative coeliac disease: the natural history and response to gluten-free diet: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5606118/  Seronegative Celiac Disease - A Challenging Case: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9441776/  Enteropathies with villous atrophy but negative coeliac serology in adults: current issues: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34764141/   
    • Scott Adams
      I am only wondering why you would need to cut out rice? I've never heard of rice being any issue in those with DH.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.