Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Gradually Going gluten-free


meanmachine22

Recommended Posts

meanmachine22 Newbie

Hi, everyone.

I'm not sure if I'm posting in the right category. If not, I apologize.

I was diagnosed with IBS and tested negative for Celiac Disease. However, after telling my doctor about my other problems (allergies, joint problems, fatique, short attention span), she wants me to try out a gluten-free diet to see if it improves my condition. She thinks that I might be gluten-sensitive.

My husband and I make a big grocery shopping trip about once a month, and our next trip is in 8 days. It will be my first gluten-free shopping trip.

My plan is to buy only gluten-free items and eat only gluten-free foods when out at restaurants, but continue to eat whatever gluten-laced food is still in the house, until it's gone.

Let's assume that I am gluten-sensitive. Would you think that I'd have to wait until I go completely gluten-free, or do you think that I may begin feeling a little better after eliminating most but not all gluten products from my diet?

Thanks in advance for any input you'd like to offer. I'm really excited to have found this site - there's so much useful info on here!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



mamaw Community Regular

Hello

Here is my two cents in regard to partial gluten-free! I'm a gluten-free mentor & have been gluten-free for years.

Gluten free is more costly & to see the best results one needs to be totally gluten-free. So if one is being gluten-free partially then I feel you are wasting hard earned money buying the more costly gluten-free foods. This is not a either or lifestyle I understand you want to not waste the gluten items in your kitchen. So I would wait to start the gluten-free until your ready to be faithful....plus one must be very careful about dining out. Cross-contamination is everywhere including Gradma's house!

Have you completed all the proper bloodwork? How or what test did you do for celiac? Did you have a endo? Did you do DNA testing? Allergy testing can detect a wheat allergy but this is an allergy . Celiac is an autoimmue disorder. There are more gluten intolerant than celiac.

I have one celiac gene & 1 intolerant gene.........

Honestly, I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Take this time to use up your food, read, research & read more so you have a full basic understanding of the gluten-free lifestyle....gluten can be hidden in products...this way when you are ready to be gluten-free you will not be overwhelmed. This is a learning process , put it into steps that you are sure of then move on to the next step . No one learns this overnight. This way it will be easier making the change. Many of us have or will go through the greiving process , which is all natural. After all you are giving up a large part of your life , mentally, & socialy & physcially as well...

Gluten free is not a diet but a lifestyle for me....

hth

blessings

mamaw

Janessa Rookie

When I went gluten light (before I even knew what gluten was) I did see an improvement, but you will probably notice that you feel even worse when you eat gluten again and will probably start avoiding it at home too. If there is not too much gluten food at home best to have your husband help you get rid of it, or you can donate to a food bank to help out hungry families.

MKat Explorer
Hello

Here is my two cents in regard to partial gluten-free! I'm a gluten-free mentor & have been gluten-free for years.

Gluten free is more costly & to see the best results one needs to be totally gluten-free. So if one is being gluten-free partially then I feel you are wasting hard earned money buying the more costly gluten-free foods. This is not a either or lifestyle I understand you want to not waste the gluten items in your kitchen. So I would wait to start the gluten-free until your ready to be faithful....plus one must be very careful about dining out. Cross-contamination is everywhere including Gradma's house!

Have you completed all the proper bloodwork? How or what test did you do for celiac? Did you have a endo? Did you do DNA testing? Allergy testing can detect a wheat allergy but this is an allergy . Celiac is an autoimmue disorder. There are more gluten intolerant than celiac.

I have one celiac gene & 1 intolerant gene.........

Honestly, I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Take this time to use up your food, read, research & read more so you have a full basic understanding of the gluten-free lifestyle....gluten can be hidden in products...this way when you are ready to be gluten-free you will not be overwhelmed. This is a learning process , put it into steps that you are sure of then move on to the next step . No one learns this overnight. This way it will be easier making the change. Many of us have or will go through the greiving process , which is all natural. After all you are giving up a large part of your life , mentally, & socialy & physcially as well...

Gluten free is not a diet but a lifestyle for me....

hth

blessings

mamaw

My 2 cents worth since I'm new here :) I didn't mean to go gluten free but through a food experiment I stopped eating bread and pasta and felt better the first day!!! Everything was good, stomach rumbles, bloating, bowels....all great! I even cheated on ocassion with pizza and desserts (1-2x a week). Everything was great for a month....then I had barley and got really messed up again and can't quite recover. So I agree, do it 100% because I think my stomach became MUCH more sensitive to gluten as I was getting off of it.

happygirl Collaborator

Which Celiac tests did your doctor run?

mattathayde Apprentice

i will argue with the statement that you need to be 100% gluten-free to see results at fist, you will probably see results even a lot of results. i know i sure did and i am celiac. given you will not be as good compared to being 100% gluten-free. i will agree though that as you cut out gluten (if you have an issue with it) you will have more and more of a reaction as you have been free of it when you have any (some are more sensitive but eating a baked good will always result in noticed issues for celiacs)

if you are not celiac and just gluten sensitive being super careful is honestly not as important over all.

that being said with your symptoms i would think you might be celiac still (the blood tests are not 100%) but when it comes down to it if changing your diet makes your feel better then you should do it.

it is easier to just go 100% gluten-free and dont even try to substitute gluten-free versions, just cut those foods out for a while then add the gluten-free versions back in later, you will appreciate them more, use them as more of a treat, and not spend boat loads of money on stuff

-matt

meanmachine22 Newbie

Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!

I know this sounds bad, but I don't really know the exact details of the bloodwork. My doctor just said that they were "very negative", so it's unlikely that I would have the disease, but that it didn't rule out a sensitivity or allergy.

I do plan on not stocking up on gluten-free substitutes of various foods yet. Out of curiosity, however, I did pick up some Pamela's chocolate chip cookies the other day, and they were mighty delicious!!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



mattathayde Apprentice
Thanks for your thoughts, everyone!

I know this sounds bad, but I don't really know the exact details of the bloodwork. My doctor just said that they were "very negative", so it's unlikely that I would have the disease, but that it didn't rule out a sensitivity or allergy.

I do plan on not stocking up on gluten-free substitutes of various foods yet. Out of curiosity, however, I did pick up some Pamela's chocolate chip cookies the other day, and they were mighty delicious!!

a gluten sensitivity can be just as bad (at leas in how you feel) as celiac but like you said the blood tests dont show for sensitivity. given the sensitivity doesnt cause all the issues in the immune system its not as bad but you can still have a lot of issues depending on your reactions to gluten

-matt

ravenwoodglass Mentor
a gluten sensitivity can be just as bad (at leas in how you feel) as celiac but like you said the blood tests dont show for sensitivity. given the sensitivity doesnt cause all the issues in the immune system its not as bad but you can still have a lot of issues depending on your reactions to gluten

-matt

Thismay be true for some but research into celiac and guten sensitivity has a long way to go. I was firmly diagnosed as celiac even though blood testing did not show positive for me. It doesn't for up to 30% of us. I had gene testing done 5 years after diagnois when my blood and biopsy proven celiac daughter was told she couldn't be celiac because she didn't have the genes. I had severe autoimmune impact but if we just went off my gene panels I would be considered 'just' gluten sensitive. I react to even the tiniest amount of gluten and those reactions are severe and last for up to 3 weeks.

meanmachine22 Newbie

You know, I'm starting to wonder if maybe a second opinion would be the way to go. The more I read, the more I'm surprised that I tested negative for celiac disease. I have many other problems that I've suffered from for a long time that many celiac disease sufferers seem to be affected by. I've never been skinny though. I've hovered at a little below or a little above the max for my suggested healthy weight range, and really have to work at not being overweight. I know that people of any size or body shape can have celiac disease, but I understand that it's common for people to be skinny.

mattathayde Apprentice
You know, I'm starting to wonder if maybe a second opinion would be the way to go. The more I read, the more I'm surprised that I tested negative for celiac disease. I have many other problems that I've suffered from for a long time that many celiac disease sufferers seem to be affected by. I've never been skinny though. I've hovered at a little below or a little above the max for my suggested healthy weight range, and really have to work at not being overweight. I know that people of any size or body shape can have celiac disease, but I understand that it's common for people to be skinny.

i seemed to fluctuate, i was never under weight but i was skinny some times when i was younger and some times i was chubby, i gained a lot of weight senior year of HS but lost it real fast when i went gluten-free.

did you get the biopsy? that is a more exact science supposedly

-matt

meanmachine22 Newbie
did you get the biopsy? that is a more exact science supposedly

I just had the blood test. She (my doctor) said that because my blood test results were "so negative" for celiac, she didn't feel that any further testing was necessary, but felt that my symptoms might diminish somewhat with a gluten-free diet.

ang1e0251 Contributor

First, I would ask for a copy of my bloodwork to be sent to me. You can post the results here and someone who is knowledgable can interpret it for you. I have read many cases where the bloodwork was incomplete or loosely interpreted. Some folks just test negative on the bloodwork.

If you don't plan to test through endoscopy, just plunge into the diet 100% when you're ready to heal. It's a hard enough adjustment, doing it partway would have been a huge mental challenge for me. I would choose all the way or nothing for myself.

samcarter Contributor
You know, I'm starting to wonder if maybe a second opinion would be the way to go. The more I read, the more I'm surprised that I tested negative for celiac disease. I have many other problems that I've suffered from for a long time that many celiac disease sufferers seem to be affected by. I've never been skinny though. I've hovered at a little below or a little above the max for my suggested healthy weight range, and really have to work at not being overweight. I know that people of any size or body shape can have celiac disease, but I understand that it's common for people to be skinny.

I have always been average or a bit overweight. My doctor only did the EMA blood test, as he said it was the "most specific" for celiac. It came back negative, but I have since read that up to 20% of celiacs can have a negative EMA--they are called "seronegative". If your doctor only did the EMA, and it was negative, she hasn't done the entire blood panel.

While you are still on gluten, I would seek a second opinion IF a medical diagnosis is important to you. Even though my test was negative, I had such a positive response to the gluten free diet, that I consider myself celiac. Looking back, i probably had ataxia as a child and teen (extreme clumsiness, horrible coordination), not to mention depression, headaches, stomach problems (I was tested for ulcers when I was nine!). I thought about getting a second opinion, but prefer to not have a "pre-existing condition" in my records, should I need to switch health insurance.

mattathayde Apprentice
I have always been average or a bit overweight. My doctor only did the EMA blood test, as he said it was the "most specific" for celiac. It came back negative, but I have since read that up to 20% of celiacs can have a negative EMA--they are called "seronegative". If your doctor only did the EMA, and it was negative, she hasn't done the entire blood panel.

While you are still on gluten, I would seek a second opinion IF a medical diagnosis is important to you. Even though my test was negative, I had such a positive response to the gluten free diet, that I consider myself celiac. Looking back, i probably had ataxia as a child and teen (extreme clumsiness, horrible coordination), not to mention depression, headaches, stomach problems (I was tested for ulcers when I was nine!). I thought about getting a second opinion, but prefer to not have a "pre-existing condition" in my records, should I need to switch health insurance.

the only issue with not having an official DX is that you need NEED NEED to have your doc put in your file you need to be on gluten-free diet, i still need to get mine to do so since i also do not have an official Dx

-matt

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - lil-oly replied to Jmartes71's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Gluten tester

    2. - knitty kitty replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

    3. - JudyLou replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

    4. - knitty kitty replied to JudyLou's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Seeking advice on potential gluten challenge

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,155
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Beccad611
    Newest Member
    Beccad611
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Who's Online (See full list)

    • There are no registered users currently online
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • lil-oly
      Hey there, have you been tested for allergies? You may not only have celiac disease but be allergic. I have celiac disease and am allergic to Barley, wheat and rye. 
    • JudyLou
    • knitty kitty
      I have osteopenia and have cracked three vertebrae.  Niacin is connected to osteoporosis! Do talk to your nutritionist and doctor about supplementing with B vitamins.  Blood tests don't reveal the amount of vitamins stored inside cells.  The blood is a transportation system and can reflect vitamins absorbed from food eaten in the previous twenty-four to forty-eight hours.  Those "normal limits" are based on minimum amounts required to prevent disease, not levels for optimal health.   Keep us posted on your progress.   B Vitamins: Functions and Uses in Medicine https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9662251/ Association of dietary niacin intake with osteoporosis in the postmenopausal women in the US: NHANES 2007–2018 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11835798/ Clinical trial: B vitamins improve health in patients with coeliac disease living on a gluten-free diet https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19154566/   Nutritional Imbalances in Adult Celiac Patients Following a Gluten-Free Diet https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8398893/ Nutritional Consequences of Celiac Disease and Gluten-Free Diet https://www.mdpi.com/2036-7422/15/4/61 Simplifying the B Complex: How Vitamins B6 and B9 Modulate One Carbon Metabolism in Cancer and Beyond https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9609401/
    • JudyLou
      Thank you so much for the clarification! Yes to these questions: Have you consulted dietician?  Have you been checked for nutritional deficiencies?  Osteoporosis? Thyroid? Anemia?  Do you take any supplements, or vitamins? I’m within healthy range for nutritional tests, thyroid and am not anemic. I do have osteopenia. I don’t take any medications, and the dietician was actually a nutritionist (not sure if that is the same thing) recommended by my physician at the time to better understand gluten free eating.    I almost wish the gluten exposure had triggered something, so at least I’d know what’s going on. So confusing!    Many thanks! 
    • knitty kitty
      @JudyLou,  I have dermatitis herpetiformis, too!  And...big drum roll... Niacin improves dermatitis herpetiformis!   Niacin is very important to skin health and intestinal health.   You're correct.  dermatitis herpetiformis usually occurs on extensor muscles, but dermatitis herpetiformis is also pressure sensitive, so blisters can form where clothing puts pressure on the skin. Elastic waist bands, bulky seams on clothing, watch bands, hats.  Rolled up sleeves or my purse hanging on my arm would make me break out on the insides of my elbows.  I have had a blister on my finger where my pen rested as I write.  Foods high in Iodine can cause an outbreak and exacerbate dermatitis herpetiformis. You've been on the gluten free diet for a long time.  Our gluten free diet can be low in vitamins and minerals, especially if processed gluten free foods are consumed.  Those aren't fortified with vitamins like gluten containing products are.  Have you consulted dietician?  Have you been checked for nutritional deficiencies?  Osteoporosis? Thyroid? Anemia?  Do you take any supplements, medicine, or vitamins? Niacin deficiency is connected to anemia.  Anemia can cause false negatives on tTg IgA tests.  A person can be on that borderline where symptoms wax and wane for years, surviving, but not thriving.  We have a higher metabolic need for more nutrients when we're sick or emotionally stressed which can deplete the small amount of vitamins we can store in our bodies and symptoms reappear.   Exposure to gluten (and casein in those sensitive to it) can cause an increased immune response and inflammation for months afterwards. The immune cells that make tTg IgA antibodies which are triggered today are going to live for about two years. During that time, inflammation is heightened.  Those immune cells only replicate when triggered.  If those immune cells don't get triggered again for about two years, they die without leaving any descendents programmed to trigger on gluten and casein.  The immune system forgets gluten and casein need to be attacked.  The Celiac genes turn off.  This is remission.    Some people in remission report being able to consume gluten again without consequence.   However, another triggering event can turn the Celiac genes on again.   Celiac genes are turned on by a triggering event (physical or emotional stress).  There's some evidence that thiamine insufficiency contributes to the turning on of autoimmune genes.  There is an increased biological need for thiamine when we are physically or emotionally stressed.  Thiamine cannot be stored for more than twenty-one days and may be depleted in as little as three during physical and emotional stresses. Mitochondria without sufficient thiamine become damaged and don't function properly.  This gets relayed to the genes and autoimmune disease genes turn on.  Thiamine and other B vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients are needed to replace the dysfunctional mitochondria and repair the damage to the body.   I recommend getting checked for vitamin and mineral deficiencies.  More than just Vitamin D and B12.  A gluten challenge would definitely be a stressor capable of precipitating further vitamin deficiencies and health consequences.   Best wishes!    
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.