How To Not Get In The Way Of Your Own Recovery? So Confused...

[Pyro]

Thanks Riceguy, I've been thinking of picking up that NOW multi myself. I'm emailing beverly int and we'll see what can be done about $$.

Also thanks for the concern Sandsurf. Trust me though, there are big difference between drugs. Meth, heroin, coke, and other drugs like that often lead to a very dark path and I have absolutely no interest in them. LSD, mescaline and the like aren't very addictive and require so much effort on the user's part that there is no want to use them with much frequency. Besides, they point out your relationship with life so you can embrace it more deeply when sober negating the need for any drug (LSD has treated many cases of alcoholism). I don't use drugs very often and when these come in to play it's usually no more than 4 to 6 times per year. The only drug I do regularly and am "addicted" to is Adderall because it's my prescription! My old doctor and I both fully agree that it has been a great help so this isn't considered drug abuse.

LSD doesn't cause schizophrenia like once thought. Old researches were wrong when they called it "chemical psychosis" because they had no idea the human mind was so complex. Though I would like to point out that people can get a little overzealous in their use resulting in something like temporary ADHD. I use "ADHD" because I can't find a better term to describe it, but what I mean is a mental approach to the world where you try to find meaning in everything and overthink the details. This doesn't happen if you take it infrequently and make sure you understand your last "trip" before moving on. Psychedelics are only a tool and some people take them too seriously, thinking they are communications from god or whatever.

I also am convinced that depression and other mental disorders are for the most part physical. When I'm depressed, it's in indicator something is wrong (up to a point of course) physically. I've experienced a lot of difficulty in my life and am over it since almost all the things were out of my control. But when something starts to go wrong it starts to flare up and my mind tends to pick at old wounds that I've resolved long ago. Especially if I'm glutened. Ayurveda and Traditional Chinese Medicine go into this a lot but unfortunately pigs like Deepak Chopra and simply amateurish practitioners have bastardized these systems and most people today think of these as oddball supernatural nonsense. Though they are actually very direct, based in reality, have almost nothing to due with astrology/amulets/obscure herbs etc.. like most people think. Money ruins everything and even our gluten free lifestyles are becoming an obscure fad.

BTW If any of you shop at food co-ops or natural herbs stores, do you notice all the hippies? . A lot of psychedelic users become more in tune with their bodies and realize the difference good nutrition makes in their lives.

[detritus]

  On 3/2/2010 at 6:43 AM, sandsurfgirl said:

Your synopsis sounds like the article was saying that LSD causes the symptoms?

Yes, basically what ravenwoodglass says. The article discusses that LSD was being used in 1948 to attempt to understand schizophrenia, because of its psychoactive properties. It mentions that LSD is derived from gluten grains. It then talks about Dr Curtis Dohan, and his research into the connection between celiac disease and schizophrenia, and how symptoms of schizophrenia abated on a gluten-free dairy-free diet during a study he made of a locked psychiatric ward.It then goes on to discuss the huge impact of gluten on our brains. Definitely NOT promoting the use of LSD, particularly to us celiacs:blink:

[sandsurfgirl]

  On 3/2/2010 at 11:54 AM, ravenwoodglass said:

The article is likely saying that the effects of gluten on the brain, which can cause schizophrenia (and also depressive and anxiety) are similiar in action to the effects of LSD in the brain. It's about time the GI world recognizes the mental effects of gluten on our brains. So many of us suffer from mental illness in one form or another that is caused by the gluten reaction in the brain which can lead doctors to think us to be mentally ill and that our 'depression' or other physical issues are mental in origin not physical. Many of us are told for years that our issues are 'in our heads' that it can be a real struggle. This can keep us from being diagnosed, especially the 20% of us who show a false negative on testing. This research is a good thing and does not advocate LSD use but is trying to explain the gluten action in the brain.

I haven't read the article, but that makes more sense. That gluten would have a negative effect on the brain like LSD does.

I've sat with someone on a bad trip wanting to tear her hair out. I've seen people have some nasty flashbacks at inopportune times. Not pretty. Nothing will ever convince me that there is anything good about the use of LSD. But it's your life and you have to learn from your mistakes. You are damaging your brain and you can't regrow those cells. Everyone I know who has used those drugs now regrets it as adults, and sorry I think of you as a kid Pyro. You won't listen, because they never do. Acid has a cumulative effect on the brain too because it lodges itself in crevices. The so called spiritual experiences you are having are false, created by a drug, not by God or your soul.

I don't see ANY relevant comparison to coffee and alcohol and heavy drugs like LSD. Coffee doesn't get you high so it's not relevant at all. Alcohol is addictive and can be dangerous, so there is some comparison, but I can have a couple of drinks and not feel any bit tipsy or drunk. I can't drop a couple of hits of acid and not feel anything. Totally different.

[Jestgar]

I hallucinate from Benedryl. I think all drugs should be equally respected, and some should be regarded as able to take over your life. Different people will have different drugs that they should avoid. Your approach can be to avoid them all, or, be very attentive to what happens when you take something.

[Pyro]

Coffee has caffeine which gets you high. Anyone who has kids on ritalin and adderall are letting their children get high. Many many legal things get you high, even going to church.

I still disagree on acid. It hasn't been shown to cause brain damage and people who have "bad trips" are either in an unfortunate setting or are fighting the drug. And "spiritual" is a vague term which taints what psychedelics and any pursuit actually does. You don't "find god" on acid. It's more about being more objective about your own experience and realizing whatever barriers you've been conditioned with that makes you avoid or take reality for granted.

[mbrookes]

You might also want to remember that most of the drugs discussed are illegal. A drug bust will do nothing to enhance your future. And if you think it's hard to follow a diet now, try it in jail.

[sandsurfgirl]

  On 3/2/2010 at 6:57 PM, mbrookes said:

You might also want to remember that most of the drugs discussed are illegal. A drug bust will do nothing to enhance your future. And if you think it's hard to follow a diet now, try it in jail.

Yep. Jail doesn't do much to accomodate your diet. They could care less and would actually use it as a bargaining chip against you. Both of my brothers are sheriffs and have worked in the prisons. It's bad in there.