tiredofdoctors

This thread is becoming like road kill for me -- don't want to look for fear of what I'll see next, but can't NOT look. To all of you who have In-and-Out burgers, you have now idea how extremely envious I am right now. I can remember that on trips to California, I would order a regular burger and the guy I was dating would say "she wants a double double" -- oh my gosh -- talk about a great burger! At any rate, I'll keep reading each day, a couple times a day, because, basically, I can't stop myself. Hugs to you all . . . Lynne

My in-laws (my husband's brother and his wife) live near Franklin. They have a farm -- it is so cool. They're very environmentally conscious, so they grow grass-fed cattle, with NO growth hormone, no unnecessary antibiotics, and grow goats for goat milk. My sister-in-law doesn't even like the thought of putting dye on easter eggs, so she buys chickens that lay eggs in color! Seriously -- some lay pinkish eggs, some lay the regular peach-y color, some lay TEAL eggs -- it's amazing! She had an elderly man come onto the property with a divining rod to find a spring. The first spot he found, he told them not to drill, it just wasn't strong enough. The second spot he found, he said "this is it" -- they drilled there, and the spring started out pumping 50 gallons of water per minute! My brother -in-law couldn't believe it. He had told her that they couldn't afford it, that they would have to rent the equipment for months before they found a spring that would run enough to supply all five fields (they rotate the cows each day), and it was impossible. She always believes that there's nothing impossible, and she's the one who usually proves it -- what an AMAZING woman!

BTW: Your picture is not, I hope, of the area in which you live. If so, I can tell you that YOUR version of the Ohio is a lot more beautiful than OUR version!

This is by far the best response I have gotten -- it was back in October -- but I must say that Neutrogena is extremely consumer-friendly:

Thank you for contacting Neutrogena.

First of all, please accept our apologies for not answering your question to our website feedback before now. We have been experiencing technological difficulty with our website and were not able to receive emails sent to us from the feedback section until today. We are very sorry that you had to wait so long for an answer.

We maintain a list of products free of wheat gluten.

For ingredient listings, please see the product package or call our Information Center toll free at 1-800-582-4048. They will be able to send you a list of ingredients and help you if you need information beyond that. Hours of operation are Monday-Friday 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

Thank you so much for visiting our website at www.neutrogena.com and please visit us often, as our website is frequently updated with new products and added features.

<<Gluten Free List.xls>>

Neutrogena Gluten Free (Wheat Free)

Updated 07/18/05

Active Breathable Sunblock SPF 30

Active Breathable Sunblock SPF 45

Advanced Solutions Acne Mark Eliminating Peel

Advanced Solutions Acne Therapy System

Advanced Solutions Facial Peel

Advanced Solutions Skin Transforming Complex Daily SPF 15 Moisturizer

Advanced Solutions Skin Transforming Complex Nightly Renewal Cream

After Sun Treatment

Alcohol-Free Antiseptic Cleanser (Discontinued)

Alcohol-Free Toner

Anti-Cellulite Treatment

Anti-Residue Shampoo

Blackhead Eliminating 2-in-1 Foaming Pads

Blackhead Eliminating Astringent

Blackhead Eliminating Daily Scrub

Blackhead Eliminating Treatment Mask

Body Clear Body Lotion (Discontinued)

Body Clear Body Scrub

Body Clear Body Wash

Body Emulsion

Body Lotion

Body Oil

Build- A- Tan

Clean Conditioners- All

Clean For Color- Color Defending Foam Foam (Discontinued)

Clean Replenishing Instant Shine Detangler (Discontinued)

Clean Shampoos- All

Cleansing and Makeup Removing Towelettes

Clear Pore Cleanser/Mask

Clear Pore Oil Controlling Astringent

Clear Pore Shine Control Gel (Discontinued)

Clear Pore Treatment

Combination Skin Moisture

Conditioner for Permed/Color Treated Hair (Discontinued)

Deep Clean Astringent

Deep Clean Body Scrub Bar

Deep Clean Cleanser

Deep Clean Gentle Scrub

Deep Clean Invigorating Cleanser/ Mask

Deep Clean Invigorating Scrub

Deep Clean Invigorating Self Foaming Cleansing Pads

Deep Clean Mask

Detangling Conditioner (Discontinued)

Extra Gentle Cleanser

Foot Cream

Fresh Body Herbal Body Wash

Fresh Finish Loose Powder/Healthy Skin Loose Powder

Fresh Finish Pressed Powder/Healthy Skin Pressed Powder

Fresh Foaming Cleanser

Hand Cream

Healthy Defense Daily Moisturizer SPF 30- All

Healthy Defense Eye Cream SPF 30

Healthy Defense Protective Powder SPF 30

Healthy Defense Sheer Bronzer SPF 30 (Discontinued)

Healthy Defense Sheer Makeup SPF 30 (Disctontinued)

Healthy Defense Sunblock Spray SPF 30+

Healthy Defense Sunblock Stick SPF 30+

Healthy Defense Trio

Healthy Defense UVA/UVB Block SPF 30 + / SPF 45

Healthy Radiance Exfoliating Wash

Healthy Radiance Eye Cream

Healthy Radiance Moisturizer SPF 15

Healthy Scalp Shampoo

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Anti Blemish Cleanser

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Anti Blemish Cream

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Anti Blemish Scrub

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Cream

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Intensive Eye Cream

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Intensive Night Cream

Healthy Skin Anti Wrinkle Intensive Serum

Healthy Skin Blends Natural Radiance Bronzer

Healthy Skin Blends Sheer Highlighting Blush

Healthy Skin BlendsTranslucent Oil- Control Powder

Healthy Skin Cream Powder Makeup SPF 20

Healthy Skin Enhancer

Healthy Skin Eye Cream

Healthy Skin Face Lotion

Healthy Skin Face Lotion Sensitive Skin/Delicate Skin

Healthy Skin Face Lotion SPF 15

Healthy Skin Liquid Makeup SPF 20

Healthy Skin Smoothing Stick

Healthy Skin Visibly Even Daily SPF 15 Moisturizer

Healthy Skin Visibly Even Exfoliating Body Wash

Healthy Skin Visibly Even Exfoliating Cleanser

Instant Lip Remedy

Instant Nail Enhancer

Intensified Day Moisture SPF 15

Intensified Eye Moisture (Discontinued)

Light Night Cream

Lip Boost Intense Moisture Lipstick SPF 20

Lip Boost Intense Moisture Therapy

Lip Moisturizer SPF 15

Lip Nutrition- All

Liquid Neutrogena

Makeup Correcting Stick

Makeup Correcting Stick

Makeup Remover Cleansing Towelettes

Maximum Strength Oil Controlling Pads

Moisture Boosting Body Wash

Moisture for Sensitive Skin

Moisture Shine Tinted Lip Balm- All

Moisture SPF 15

Moisture SPF 15 Sheer Tint

MoistureShine Lip Gloss

New Hands

Oil Free Acne Mask/ Scrub

Oil Free Eye Makeup Remover

Oil-Absorbing Acne Mask (Discontinued)

Oil-Free Acne Wash

On the Spot Acne Patch

On the Spot Acne Treatment Tinted

On the Spot Acne Treatment Vanishing Formula

On The Spot Blemish Wand

Overnight Lip Therapy

Pore Refining Cleanser

Pore Refining Cream

Pore Refining Cream SPF 15

Pore Refining Mask

Pore Refining Mattifier (Discontinued)

Pore Refining Toner

Radiance Boost Eye Cream

Rainbath Dry Oil Spray

Rainbath Moisturizing Body Mist (Discontinued)

Rainbath Shower & Bath Gel- All

Rapid Clear Acne Defense Face Lotion

Rapid Clear Gel

Razor Defense Daily Face Scrub

Razor Defense Face Lotion

Sensitive Skin Solutions Alcohol Free Toner

Sensitive Skin Solutions Cleansing Wash - Combination Skin

Sensitive Skin Solutions Cream Cleanser - Dry Skin

Sensitive Skin Solutions Oil-Free Foaming Cleanser - Oily Skin

Shimmer Sheers (all shades)

Skin Clearing After Shave (Discontinued)

Skin Clearing Compact Foundation

Skin Clearing Concealer

Skin Clearing Face Bar (Discontinued)

Skin Clearing Face Wash

Skin Clearing Liquid Makeup

Skin Clearing Moisturizer

Skin Clearing Pressed Powder

Skin Clearing Targeted Acne Treatment (Discontinued)

Skin Smoothing Body Lotion

Skin Soothing Eye Tints

Skin Soothing Under Eye Corrector

SkinClearing Clean Tint

SkinClearing Shave Gel

SkinClearing Trio

Soft Color Blush

Soothing Relief Anti-Itch Moisturizer

Sunless Tanning Lotion- All

T/Gel Conditioner

T/Gel Overnight Dandruff Treatment

T/Gel Shampoos- All

T/Sal Maximum Strength Shampoo

Transparent Facial Bars- All

Transparent Sunblock Gel SPF 30 (Discontinued)

Triple Moisture Active Soothing Conditioner

Triple Moisture Active Soothing Shampoo

Triple Moisture Cream Lather Shampoo

Triple Moisture Deep Conditioner

Triple Moisture Deep Recovery Hair Mask

Triple Moisture Healing Shine Serum

Triple Moisture Pure Strength Oil Therapy

Triple Moisture Sheer Hydration Leave- In Foam

Triple Moisture Silk- Touch Leave-In Cream

Triple Protect Face Gel

Triple Protect Face Lotion SPF 20

Ultra Sheer Dry Touch Sunblock SPF 30/ SPF 45

Under Cover Concealer Stick

Visibly Even Natural Look Makeup

Visibly Firm Eye Cream

Visibly Firm Eye Treatment Concealer

Visibly Firm Face Lotion SPF 20

Visibly Firm Lift Serum

Visibly Firm Moisture Makeup

Visibly Firm Night Cream

Visibly Younger Hand Cream

Typically, in VERY SMALL PRINT, at the bottom of a product are the words "a subsidiary of . . . . " That's how I often know. I can tell you that Max Factor, Oil of Olay & Pantene are subsidiaries -- that's what I know so far. Will keep the thing going -- I'm on a mission!

Thanks for the heads up, Patti -- I am really starting to believe that this is DH. When I do pop them, I have sores for about two weeks -- makes you really want to leave them alone, becaue you know that you're just going to look worse! . .. . Lynne

I have gluten intolerance, but I have "autoimmune cerebellar disease" or they also call it "gluten ataxia". Instead of having celiac symptoms, the antigliadin antibodies cross-react with anti-perkinje cell antibodies which I also produce -- working to destroy the perkinje cells. Unfortunately, they don't regenerate, and they're in the cerebellum of my brain, my retinas and my peripheral nerves.

My GI doc said that the intestinal villi looked "beautiful -- healthy, pink and plump", so he only took four biopsy sites. I found out in 7 days the results of the biopsy. . . Lynne

Smart idea --read her label Makes sense to me!

There's another thread about this doctor under the "Doctor" category -- I strongly recommend that you read it! I think this guy is a snake oil salesman. . . . Lynne

Oh Boy, this one is great -- and I'm furious. So, they got a little different response:

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From: "P&G Consumer Relations" <pg@custhelp.com>

Reply-To: "P&G Consumer Relations" <pg@custhelp.com>

To: bodyworxinc@hotmail.com

Subject: Thanks for contacting P&G. [incident: 060207-000356]

Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:35:21 -0500 (EST)

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>Subject

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>Please forward to me, via e-mail, a list of all P&G products which are gluten...

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>Response (RightNow Administrator) - 02/07/2006 11:35 AM

>Thanks for contacting us, Lynne.

>

>I certainly appreciate your interest in our products' ingredient information. In our Consumer Relations office, we're provided with the same ingredient information that you see on product packages. For that reason - and for your safety - we request physicians write to us with very specific information so that we can have it researched as thoroughly as possible.

>

>Your doctor may send a written request on office letterhead to:

>

> Consumer Relations

> PO Box 599

> Cincinnati OH 45201

> Attn:

>

>Be sure to clearly indicate the full product names, fragrance, color/shade as written on the products which interest you.

>

>Once we receive your doctor's request, we'll research your inquiry and hope to provide a response in approximately four weeks.

>

>Please understand that we have your best interest at heart by following a strict process for ingredient information requests. If your doctor is anything like mine, he or she will be more than happy to send the letter.

>

>We appreciate your patience.

>

>Amanda

>P&G Team

>

>Customer - 02/07/2006 01:15 AM

>Please forward to me, via e-mail, a list of all P&G products which are gluten-free. Thank you for your help, Lynne Wagner

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>Auto-Response - 02/07/2006 01:15 AM

>Title: Purchase P&G products for my business

>Link: Open Original Shared Link

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My response:

I find it very distressing, at best, that you need a letter on Physician's letterhead for one specific product to determine if it is gluten-free or not. I would think that, as a consumer, I would be able to gather information from you with the same amount of importance and respect that you would show a physician.

I am sorely disappointed in your answer, I can forward to you a copy -- on my physician's prescription pad -- a statement that I must maintain a gluten-free status. This physician happens to be a neurologist. You see, not all gluten intolerance -- an autoimmune disease -- affects the small intestines and bowel. Gluten, and the antibodies which my body produces against it, cross react with other antibodies which I produce. The result of this is that, it is slowly destroying the perkinje cells in my body. They happen to lie predominantly in the cerebellum of the brain, the retinas of the eyes and the peripheral nerves. They don't regenerate. So you see, each time that I come in contact with gluten -- maybe I've washed my hands with gluten-containing soap and put my finger to my mouth or eyes -- another part of my brain, my eyes and my nerves are destroyed, and my functional ability continues to decrease. I'm in a wheelchair now . . . should this continue on to my brainstem, ultimately, it could potentially cause death. Perhaps, now, you see the reason that I am insulted, at minimum, by your answer.

There are at least 7,000 of us out there -- and that number is miniscule compared to those who are actually diagnosed and just haven't been vocal. I can assure you, however, that I will post your degrading answer on the Celiac forum's message board so that they, too can see the indifference which you obviously have with regard to consumer health issues. I can also tell you that, in the future, I will no longer purchase Proctor & Gamble Products, nor anything from your subsidiary companies, and I will urge all others who read the forum, and those I know to do the same.

Lynne Ellingsworth-Wagner, PT

Got another "blanket" reply, and sent the same response as in the previous one, except I changed the "shampoo" part to "what if a person uses your foundation or lipstick and it contains gluten?". Here's another CMA:

Subject

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Max Factor US website Contact Message

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Response (RightNow Administrator) - 02/07/2006 11:37 AM

Thanks for contacting Max Factor, Lynne.

We know Celiac is a serious disease, so we want to give you clear information

regarding the use of our beauty care products. If wheat and/or gluten aren't

directly added to a product by us, these ingredients won't be listed on our

packages. Like many companies, we often purchase the scents for fragranced

products from outside suppliers, and the components of these substances are

proprietary information belonging to those companies. Therefore it's possible

that a very small amount (generally parts per million) of gluten may be present.

We sought advice from physicians; they told us it would be very unlikely a

person with Celiac disease would have a reaction from a trace amount of gluten

coming into contact with his skin or hair. This is because wheat, rye, barley

and/or gluten generally cause symptoms when they're ingested. Since our beauty

care products are designed to be used externally on the skin, their use

shouldn't be an issue for someone with this disease.

Since gluten sensitivity can vary among people, it would be best if you

consulted with your physician about the use of all types of consumable goods, if

you haven't already. You might even consider using one of our fragrance free

products that doesn't list gluten or wheat extracts on the label.

Thanks again for getting in touch with us. I hope this response has been

helpful to you. For more information about Celiac, you may want to check out

Open Original Shared Link and Open Original Shared Link

Thanks for stopping by.

Melissa

Max Factor Team

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Customer - 02/07/2006 01:10 AM

From: bodyworxinc@hotmail.com

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Well, got my first reply -- again, it's a game of CMA, but I did include my response to them. I think I'm just going to copy it and use it as my pat answer to all these companies!

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From: "caringforyou@custhelp.com" <caringforyou@custhelp.com>

Reply-To: "caringforyou@custhelp.com" <caringforyou@custhelp.com>

To: bodyworxinc@hotmail.com

Subject: Thanks for contacting Pantene. [incident: 060207-000370]

Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:00:49 -0500 (EST)

>

>Subject

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>Please forward to me, via e-mail at bodyworxinc@hotmail.com, a list of your p...

>

>

>Discussion Thread

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>Response (RightNow Administrator) - 02/07/2006 12:00 PM

>Thanks for contacting Pantene, Lynne.

>

>We want to give you clear information regarding the use of all of our beauty care products, including Pantene. If wheat and/or gluten aren't directly added to a product by us, these ingredients won't be listed on our packages. Like many companies, we often purchase the scents for fragranced products from outside suppliers, and the components of these substances are proprietary information belonging to those companies. Therefore it's possible that a very small amount (generally parts per million) of gluten may be present.

>

>We sought advice from physicians; they told us it would be very unlikely a person with Celiac disease would have a reaction from a trace amount of gluten coming into contact with his skin or hair. This is because wheat, rye, barley and/or gluten generally cause symptoms when they're ingested. Since our beauty care products are designed to be used externally on the skin, their use shouldn't be an issue for someone with this disease.

>

>Since gluten sensitivity can vary among people, it would be best if you consulted with your physician about the use of all types of consumable goods, if you haven't already. You might even consider using one of our fragrance free products that doesn't list gluten or wheat extracts on the label.

>

>Thanks again for getting in touch with us.

>

>Susan

>Pantene Team

>

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>Auto-Response - 02/07/2006 01:30 AM

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My Response:

Just a "heads up" with regard to the gluten issue -- some people with Dermatitis Herpatiformis -- a very painful skin condition -- can react to topical gluten. I think, that I, along with 7,000 (at least) other people who have an autoimmune condition that reacts to gluten, would appreciate it if you delved further into what your suppliers are sending you. I think that in some cases "ignorance is bliss", but what happens if a parent is washing their child's hair with your shampoo, and the child gets a gulp of soapy water? To say that "well, our supplier might have caused his / her flare up" sure is a pretty thin excuse. To let you know: celiac disease is not the only condition related to gluten intolerance. In my case, gluten destroys the perkinje cells in my body -- they are located in the cerebelllum of my brain, in my retinas and in my peripheral nerves -- and they do not regenerate. So every time I come in contact with gluten, another part of my functional ability goes away forever.

I appreciate your prompt response, but urge you to communicate further with your suppliers to ensure that your products are gluten-free. I can assure you that, should you choose to do this, you will have a large number of extremely devoted consumers. Thank you again for your time and consideration . . . .

Lynne Ellingsworth-Wagner, PT

My neurologist has a registered dietician in his office, but I'm too scared to make an appointment now -- what you guys have experienced is TERRIBLE. . . . Lynne

I'm sure that at least 3 doctors I've seen were Veterinarian rejects. . . . Lynne

NOT to blast chiropractors, but they often advertise locally that they can cure celiac here. They insist that if the spine is in proper alignment, all disease processes will diminish and eventually leave . . . Hmmmm. . . .

Our Kroger has had the old stuff for a LONG time! Sorry I missed your post, Vincent -- REALLY sorry. I guess I have to go back to eating the expensive honey coated Puffins cereal. How are we going to get these companies to understand the necessity for gluten-free products -- besides the ones that are outrageously expensive? Something has to be done.

I eat the environkids panda bars -- the peanut butter ones are really good! The problem is, I don't want to eat just one!

Thanks for all your help and input. I'm calmed down now -- do I need to go in my shell like Karen did? Will do if I have to! You guys are great . . . Lynne

P.S. Nini -- if you haven't checked out Vincent's website, you should treat yourself. The family stuff is fun and cute, and the astronomy stuff is out of this world (I swear I didn't mean to say that).

Yes, I tossed and turned all night -- didn't sleep AT ALL. I am so furious. I agree with (can't remember who it was) about being typical Americans -- she's right -- sue their asses -- get a class action suit going, and they'll have to answer to what did you say, 7,000 people? I also posted a thread about Kroger Golden Korn Nuggets discreetly adding CONTAINS: WHEAT now at the bottom of their box -- and am wondering how long they contained wheat before getting nailed and having to list it. I think these companies need to be made examples and need to be held responsible for making a LOT of people very sick. I'm usually not either litigious nor this angry, but this crap has to stop. We need to know that our food is safe -- and that the companies can't change ingredients on a whim without informing us. Anyway, I'm finished. Sorry for venting so much . . . I'll be less aggressive some other time . . . Lynne

Fairy Sprinkle -- that sounds JUST like what breaks out on the whole perimeter of my face -- my mom even commented one time "WHAT has happened to your face -- it was fine yesterday." Then told me that, if I thought it was gluten-related, she wanted me to have it biopsied. Easy for her to say -- the thought of having a chunk of your face removed is kind of unnerving . . . . Lynne

SuzieQ: If your IgG antigliadin antibodies were that high, you obviously have gluten intolerance -- an autoimmune disease. Antitransglutaminase antibody and Antiendomysial antibody testing are more specific for Celiac. The most definitive diagnosis comes from the small intestine biopsy.

I have high IgG antigliadin antibodies, but have had all the other tests and they are negative for celiac. I do, however, have Gluten Ataxia -- the antigliadin antibodies are cross-reacting with anti-perkinje cells in my body and destroying the perkinje cells in my cerebellum, retinas and peripheral nerves. It is an autoimmune disease, and most recent studies are calling it the "silent celiac".

I agree with Ursula -- I would have the lesion biopsied to find out if it is DH. After that, if necessary, I would push for the additional blood tests, and possibly the small intestine biopsy.

Can't change them, only you . . . I do the same thing -- make my stuff, then take it wherever I need to take it! I will say, though, my husband is having a really difficult time with this -- with my family and his. Birthdays are BIG at our house -- but since I've been diagnosed, I haven't been able to participate in the cake and ice cream. I had to bake my own brownies one time, and no one would turn the oven on for me (I'm a little "inconvenienced" in the wheelchair). My husband has decided that for MY birthday, we're telling the family that he's taking care of the cake & ice cream. Then, when it comes time for the birthday part, we won't have anything. When they ask where the cake is, we're going to tell them that we're having the cake and ice cream that I have at EVERY birthday -- and so are they. Passive-Aggressive? Definitely. But sometimes you have to stun them before they "get it". . . . Good luck with your mom . . . .Lynne

I'm on a mission to find out about what I'm putting on my skin -- even Bare Escentuals, which I thought was completely gluten-free, has gluten in their skin revver-upper lotion. I'm sorely disappointed! I love their stuff!

Here's what I've gotten back so far:

The Revlon Consumer Information Center has received your comments from our

website. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. Our response time to

your inquiry may be several days. We appreciate your patience and

understanding.

Your reference number is 001581197A.

Please do not respond to this acknowledgement, but if you have a question

concerning your email, please contact us at our toll free number 1-800-473-8566.

The Almay Consumer Information Center has received your comments from our

website. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. Our response time to

your inquiry may be several days. We appreciate your patience and

understanding.

Your reference number is 001581196A.

Please do not respond to this acknowledgement, but if you have a question

concerning your email, please contact us at our toll free number 1-800-473-8566.

Haven't heard from any others, and as you can see, these are NOT lists! will keep you posted. I've e-mailed Proctor & Gamble, Colgate Palmolive, Revlon, Almay, Maybelline, Max Factor, Bonne Bell (for the teenagers) Covergirl, Pantene (because they have been listed as gluten-free), Lauren Hutton collection and Bare Escentuals. I asked for lists of all products which are gluten free. We'll see what happens! I know that ALL Estee Lauder companies (EL, Clinique, Mac, Bobbie Brown, Prescriptives, Loreal) will not guarantee that any of their products are gluten-free. At least that's what they told me about 5 months ago.

Let's see what happens . . . Lynne

I knew that Kellogg's Corn Pops contained gluten, but have consistently read the packaging on Kroger brand Golden Corn Nuggets -- and nowhere was it listed that it contained wheat. My latest package, however, says at the bottom, in dark letters, CONTAINS: WHEAT. I am wondering how LONG it has contained wheat and if, in fact, Kelloggs produces them and forgot to inform Kroger. I am in the healthcare field, and therefore despise the prospect of litigation (there are so many frivolous lawsuits) HOWEVER: gluten destroys my brain, my retinas and my peripheral nerves. It also wreaks hell on patients with celiac enteropathy. If we have been glutened because of incomplete / improper food labeling, I am all for a class-action lawsuit. I know that sounds extreme, but I am FURIOUS. I just ingested about 1/3 of a new box within the last two weeks, and can't understand why I'm falling so much more and my vision has gotten worse. Now I know why . . . .

Does anyone know anything about this? Lynne

Because, if he is involved in an HMO or a PPO, he is rewarded for not referring and is penalized for referring. They have percentages, quotas, whatever you want to call it, and that's simply the way it is.

Thanks for checking into it --will be looking forward to what they told you. . . . Lynne

Claire -- as usual, you are such a help. The articles are really good -- maybe someone is getting the message. It would be nice, wouldn't it???