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Dear Generic,

It really is frustrating having idiot relatives! They make up all of these rediculous reasons why the could not possibly be Celiac. Or how about when people gluten you and then lie about it when you know they did it! That is enough to make anyone irate! One thing is for sure, one day, people will have to deal with the consequences themselves. You cannot save people from themselves. Unfortunately, many people need to learn that stupidity is not a virtue! Until they do, however, they do not have the right to complain about being sick. If they are not willing to try to fix it, then they should shut up!

Sincerely,

NoGluGirl

Well I was laughing until I read that!

AGGH... Its SO TRUE.... its like people spend so long just coming up with excuses NOT to be tested....

Pretty close to this is people who are "scared of needles" ... I mean honestly... and what makes me even angrier are mom's who refuse to have their kids tested because they don't want them to get a tiny needle..?

But what really grinds my gears..... is people who come here looking for evidence to proove that their child/relative whomever is just making it all up!

There was someone posted a while ago and I didn't answer the thread which was basically that the doctor diagnosed celiac and a gluten-free diet but mom didn't do it because it was "inconvenient" ....

I couldn't possibly even begin to respond to the post...my first thoughts were that she should be locked away in prison and not ever let near a child EVER...

*Explaining what happens when you get glutened.

agggghhhhhhhhhh

Since I have been diagnoised w/ celiac disease, i notice bruises more easily. Does anyone else have this problem? Ali

Hard to say specifically... for some reason I never understood I never bruised much anyway... Ive broken bones and the bruising has been barely noticable (which always made for bad diagnoses whenever I did).

However I think I do bruise more eaily since being gluten-free... ?? but having said that just more "normally"

Hey, I can hardly class myself as professional either (although I sell a few)

You can check out flickr without joining and there's lots of groups for learning and stuff... A friend pushed me into joining and I was a bit retiscent but I was really quite pleasantly surprised... I belong to a few groups one of which is called "critique" where we all give feedback on photo's we choose to ask for it on.

Even if you don't want to join you can still read some of the discussions and learn lots of good stuff you just can post replies etc.

and that one you linked i took from the vehicle causei was just driving down the road with my parents.

Hey, I take lots of those too. The problem is most of them just don't come out very good ...

What Im trying to explain (with my severely glutened brain at the moment) is really that 90% of great pictures are planned and thought out... The great Landscape photographer (probably the greatest IMHO) Ansel Adams said if he got 10 great photo's a year he would be happy. Many people consider 10 in a lifetime a hell of an achievement..

Anyway I truly think photography is a great hobby.... especially if like me you are a bit of a loner at times... for me its actually something I can use to communicate with people, I think I see lots of stuff differently to most people so when I photograph it it allows me to share a little of how I perceive things...

Its a great hobby anyway, I'm just saying how it works for me

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This is a pretty good site to help get the most from your camera ...

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is if you want to explore photography a bit more then try planning your photo's more...

When its all boiled down photography is all about capturing light....

One thing I did was make studies of certain things... that are located conveniently close I was talking to a guy last night and he was saying he used to cycle to work every day across a bridge and stop and look at Notre Dame every morning because each time is unique... its really so true... Ive got probably 200 pictures of Notre Dame and only 1-2 are great... and these I planned specifically using the sun calculator and arrived 1/2 hour in advance .. set up a tripod and stuff. Even after this I took 20-30 shots of the same thing ...

This brings me to a second "great tip"... which is using a tripod...

The logic is that you take a lot longer composing and waiting than just walking up and pressing a button I found it really worked for me... just a cheap tripod from wallmart will work fine for this...

I rarely go anywhere without a camera.... but I still find 90% of my best photo's are planned...

What I do find and the reason I said its great if you don't mind being alone is its much harder to take photo's when your with other people... no-one minds 1-2 or even 9-10 but I find myself rushing ...

I was recently back visiting my parents so your statement rings a bell for me .... they live in a very picturesque area (just a bit wet) but when my Dad was driving I was constantly twitching and wanting to stop the car to take photo's... but even then I was rushed and hurried... so what Im trying to say is you need to make time for photography IMHO instead of fitting in a snap here and there... when I drive myself I tend to choose routes for instance based on which side of a mountain the sun is on... and even when I'm exploring new towns or cities I tend to follow the light not a guidebook... as an example its like turning up to take a picture say of a church with an impressive front... and you arrive and the sun is behind it... more or less whatever you do your not going to get a great photo.... so I tend to visit places and make an itinery based on where the sun will be... I use churches specifically as an example because in Europe they all face East-West... and I know the sun rises in the East and sets in the West and in the Northern hemisphere goes by South at mid-day on the way...

so theres no way i could wait for better lighting

Much of my "photography equipement" I carry with me is clothing... I recently took a series of the pyramid at the louvre ... everyone was asking how I got no tourists... its actually dead simple... I had fleece under trousers, a down coat and waterproofs (just in case) .. ice climbing mittens and a rabbit skin hat (just like Elmer fudds) and I just waited until 2AM... every 15 mins I had to go and stir the water to stop it freezing... another shot I took involved wading chest high into a river full of meltwater from the hills ... because it was the only way to get the perspective I wanted ... I don't do this ALL the time... but sometimes the light is just right and .... sometimes you just have to wait for a few hours

I'd say that there are no simple answers...

What it comes down to is if you trust the source or not.... its not that different to buying ready made food...

I think its a bit naieve to trust manufacturers without doing further research ....

so it would depend where you are and what you buy ...

If your buying it legally in Amsterdam then its at least QC'd... if your buying from someone growing it themselves that you know or buying it from some-guy who knows a guy that can get hold of some stuff ...so a hard and fast rule can't be applied..

In addition, I hardly think marijuana is a subject that should be discussed in an open forum with teenagers--it is an illegal substance. Don't bother throwing stones at me for my opinion--I just feel it's a subject that does not need to be discussed in this type of forum.

OK no stone throwing then but tobacco and alcohol are also illegal for teenagers and depending where you live so is dope... and can equally be prescribed again depending where you live. Indeed drinking alcohol is illegal in many countries .. and also some dry counties...

The same can be said for many of the meds we discuss.... quite a few of us have been or are taking meds which are classified as illegal without a prescription... but you could for instance buy over the counter in Mexico.

In general I think its better to mention the dangers than just not discuss it at all.

For instance the same goes for prescriptions meds you might buy in Mexico because they are cheaper... but they might also contain gluten because your getting a generic brand... even if its illegal to breing them back you could argue but what if I'm on vacation ... etc. etc.

I can respect why you say that but in a wider context I think its better discussed than brushed under the carpet....

One thing to really be aware of is many cigarettes contain gluten....

Much as I understand any worries I think that going with the doctors over this is a good idea... they know how strong those anti-biotics are and hence the idea for pro-biotics...

After all the trouble and hassle Alex and you have been through I would think the thing that get her well again the soonest is likely the best... and getting her into a position that is stable and you can build on together...

I do consume milk, but it's lactose free milk. Other than that, I have no idea what's causing my celiac symptoms. I'm starting to look for patterns, and so far the only food/dring that seems to bother me is red bull, which I drink on almost daily basis?!?!

It's good to know that other people are going through the same experience. I would love to hear more about other peoples' experiences as well. I understand that this topic is a little bit uncofortable to discuss publically, but I'd much rather have insight/more information than stay in my comfort zone...

Intolerance to dairy is in two parts....

There is lactose intolerance which EVERYONE has after they are weaned... (to some degree or other) and casein intolerance which is the protein in milk. Lactose intolerance mainly (in simple terms) just means adults are not equiped to digest milk... the enzyme (lactase) which is needed drops off as we become older... just like all other mammals but our bodies do adjust.. just to different amounts.. so some people can tolerate it and others cannot... and many are somewhere inbetween...

Celiacs already have a challnged digestive system so putting something in which is hard to digest does nothing to help healing...

People that don't have celiac disease occasionally have the symptoms I described so how do I know if my symptoms are symptoms of accidental glutening vs. normal GI problems. How can one know if they got glutened???

This has an easy answer and a longer one....

Normal people get diarrea on average 2-3 times a year... any more is not normal. If your a nursing mother or exposed to toddlers or in other high risk groups then 4-5 times a year can be considered normal...

The longer answer requires a leap of faith....

Most people here that can say when they are glutened have gone through two stages of gluten-free.

In short initially, what we consider gluten-free we usually look back with 20/20 hindsight and say "oops"....

Nearly everyone seems to become MORE sensitive the closer to 100% gluten-free they become and 100% gluten-free is not really achievable outside growing all your own food... (OK over statement but ...)

In other words if you live a "normal" life then chance is you get glutened...

If you eat out often you will get glutened .... its just a fact of life. You can control the risks to a large extent but never be certain because almost nowhere has a seperate kitchen for gluten-free food ...

If you share a kitchen with non gluten-free others .. same thing... accidents just happen...

I personally find it easier to divide foods into different categories....

At home I only have "very safe".... which to me means fresh fruit and vegetables and washed meat etc. and one or two really basic things.. the simpler somnething is the less chance... so a can of tomatoes is usually just tomaties, citric acid and tomato juice.. but a can of say cooked lentils can be cooked in a broth... and basically anytihng cooked in a broth (you didn't prepare yourself) is "suspect" ...

The hard part to grasp by me trying to explain is that if you are 100% gluten-free for a while (1-3 months?) you ate in a position to spot what glutened you... but otherwise the symptoms are so erratic its really hard to tell. I find I can have bad movements for 5-6 weeks after being glutened... however before I had my kitchen 100% gluten-free I could never tell...

For the first day or so its predicable but after that I could be OK down there for a week then have a sudden movement and then 2-3 more then be fine for another week...

hence you can never tell... "what is normal"

You also then start to notice (most of us do) that small glutenings very quickly express themselves other ways like mood and such... A friend I used to work with said he could always tell when I turned up at work, simply because I'd be wearing black...

Again this mood/feeling we call brain fog is hard to discern until you get rid of it.... because mostly we have lived with it so long it feels like normal....

Imagine it affected something dead easy to test... like it made us color blind... (just for the sake of discussion)

We could have spent years never seeing the difference between red and blue... or not like "everyone else"... but to us that's just how it looks... then after being completely gluten-free for 1-2 months you suddenly notice that the flowers look different...suddenly the world looks different with a differentiation to color you never saw before EVER... except when you were perhaps a tiny child...

Then you get glutened and oops... those colors dissapear again...

Unfortunately its not quite that simple... but it is a feeling you get to know... BUT you can't get to know it until you get gluten-free 100%...

Imagine now I'm trying to explain to you your color blind ... how weird would it be? You spent years seeing like that and unless you take a leap of faith you will probably never see those colors.. you just have to trust they exist...?

The weird thing is many of us oldies had attributed lots of stuff to getitng old.. like joint pains and the like.. or our eyesight deteriorating and 101 other things... Which ones are genuinely just getitng older?

The catch is you suddenly find out but only after a longish period of being gluten-free...

Until your "normal" point of reference is not having eaten gluten (at all) for 1-2 months its really hard to express this...

Please be careful about what you post.

Whereby its always better to be certain, its far better to post something your unsure about or have reacted to than not IMHO...

i.e. If you post sometihng is safe then its mopre important to be sure than something is not... because at least the latter won't hurt anyone

Most products are NOT specifically tested for gluten. It doesn't mean that they have gluten in them though.

Herein lies the problem....IMHO...

Its a bit of a crap shoot out there.... and some stuff is just far more likely to contain gluten or be derived from gluten containing stuff than others....

"Not tested" just varies enormously... like a salad of raw vegetables is likely pretty safe excluding CC.... compared to a can of sometihng like "industrial" soup where unless the manufacturer makes an effort the chance is a lot of the soups would contain gluten...

In the former case so long as the prep area is gluten-free it sounds pretty safe but the longer the list of ingredients gets, especially compound ingredients where one ingredient itself contains several then the more likley one may contain gluten...

anyway ... I think its much "safer" overall to have sometihng on the "unsafe list" incorrectly than something not safe on the safe list...

I'm not sure if you want some constructive feedback or just a selection to enter for the contest?

In the 1st case, just say so but you can also find some good places online... if you have a flickr account (or yahoo account you can get a flickr one for free)

In the 2nd case then the terms of the contest are important, if its local then something of specific local interest is always going to do better than a great shot that could be anywhere?

An overall comment is many of your shots lack light ...

Whereby I realise you already took 'em there are a few where waiting for the light might be a worthwhile thing...

When I say "waiting" you can put things in your favor my using the US Navy's sun calculator online... and listening for weather forecasts.

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but sometimes it just doesn't happen, you can wait for hours for the light to be right and it never happens.

The second "tip" is that the composition often doesn't seem to have the "effort" put in...

Just taking one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/num...yofIMG_3832.webp

The pipe you appear to be standing on is a distraction but overall the photo would have been stronger if you fought your way down to the bank... this would also have changed the angle of the sun which has blown-out the top part to lower so that the trees would partly obscure it... and the reflections would then have been from the water/ice?

The same in the river shot... if you had removed the reed from the photo first ?

All of this is perfectly normal but if you are serious then the idea should be to take the photo's and then decide what you did wrong for the next time.

Ive been away for a few days but I'll put my oar in again....

I think you realise already you are in a downwards spiral with this?

You already took a huge first step in asking for help.... so I think in many ways you are ready...

I think you can find more constructive ways to "hurt yourself" ... the one which seems the most productive is exersize...

Its obviously productive because its good for you... but also you get to hurt or "punish" yourself and do something constructive...

However the other reason is because if you start doing this your going to start producing more endorphins... which are how the body itself regulates mood and pain... and is also the process that gluten messes up.

Gluten itself damages the endorphin receptors which means your body cannot self regulate its moods... self harm is one way to "stimulate" the body to produce more BUT.... if your receptors are damaged its not effective...the longer you are gluten free the more the bosy can regulate its own moods without external chemicals...

I just got glutened on vacation ... I spent last night in self loathing alternating with panic alternating with who knows what?

The only thing I didn't do last night was sleep....

Im to messed up to really be helpful right now so I'll sut up for now and hopefully feel a bit better tomorrow...

I thought Blue Drill...def. abnormal!

nah, its everyone else isn't normal...

for one, cooking from scratch doesn't need to be complicated or time consuming. and, unless you don't have the manual dexterity to learn to cut with a knife and stir with a spoon (and they are learned skills), it doesn't have to be difficult either. (for instance... a lot of people make sauces with their dinner - that's an added complication in time and difficulty (and cleaning) that's not nearly always necessary. and one reason I don't go directly out of cookbooks very often... they love themselves those sauces.) 25 minutes from getting into the kitchen to dinner being done isn't a huge time commitment, and there's plenty of stuff you can make in that time.

second, not everything needs to be truly from scratch. canned tomatoes and canned beans feature prominently in many of my recipes. a few premade seasonings/spices do help fill out flavors for some dishes (chili paste and boullion, for example). so there are some very good ways to get shortcuts. finding those, and learning the ones that are useful to you, is very worthwhile.

third, finding options that don't require cooking, that you can use on occasion, may help you feel that you're not strapped to the kitchen entirely. just having an option, even if you don't use it often, may help your mental perspective on things. that might be frozen gluten free meals (some people react to Amy's, some don't; and there are other options out there), or restaurants (either local ones you can work with and trust, or ones with dedicated gluten-free menus), or other 'scrounge' ideas (like I take a can of tuna, mix it with an avocado, and eat it with chips - with some carrots on the side) that don't amount to any real cooking at all.

you do what you have to do, and you find ways to make it easier on yourself. those exact ways will be different for many people, so it's something of a self-searching process. but you can do it! it's all under your control.

She's so correct....

We started a thread once on food that can be cooked in the time it takes to boil rice or cook gluten-free pasta...

When you combine that with making sure you have a big stock of basics like tinned tomatoes and the like it really doesn't need to be time consuming... equally like Nanzie say's you can bulk prepare lots of stuff too.

I don't so much mind preparing as cleaning after but I tend to have 1-2 big sessions a week and have the basis for everything else.

Tonight I just had curry and rice... my girlfriend is working and will eat at work ... I let it cook a while but prep time was only 5 minutes... threw some veggies and chicken in and fried them wirth a commerical paste and can of tomatoes and tin of coconut milk...

Like tarnalberry points out though skill with a knife is really useful... I can slice an onion in about 10 secs... but its just practice and sharp knives... then I left it on low for 1/2 hour and went back and stirred it... and boiled water for the rice and made myself a cuppa tea (being English its compulsary though ine was green tea with lemoin grass and ginger) but hey the water was boiled... chucked in some thai rice (deliberatly not basmati cos its too much effort) and left the boiling water on low so when I got back I just drained it and used the boiling water to rinse ... and top up my tea ....

I know that SOUNDS like a lot but its really not... even if I wasn't gluten-free it would have been more hassle to get a take away (and theres one right outside my appartment across the street)...

LOL indeed you just lived up to your sig

Just an observation but reminds me of a Penn and Teller episode in a way...

If they tell you that 98% of people pick red hammer and you do then ... WOW its amazing so you forward it and then if 50% of the people (just randomly) then forwards it then its always being forwarded by someone who thinks WOW...

As was pointed out the hammer is a pretty basic tool and red a fairly common and as noted bright color..

One thing I forgot to say is my wallpaper is green.... so if I dare suggest... (sorry no meaning to offend) since its far more girls here than guys and lots of girls know the names and how to use a hammer but might not be all that comfortable with an angle grinder (if you have to look it up don't bother .. that's the point)...

I am pretty confident (but just wildly guessing really but if I say I'm confident... ) if you gave the same test to say a load of dentists at a dental conference they'd come up with dental tools... or a factory where hammers aren't used (but maybe screwdrivers and pliers are) then you'd get a lot less red hammers????

as for asking me about a bird... easy... chicken, duck, goose, pheasant, quail (anyone get how my mind works )

yummm.....

Nikki--Spanner=wrench--I had no idea

Like Susie, I wonder where all of us "hammer people" but with different colors fit in?

Ok--I think I'm officailly overthinking this

Erm nope its got me stumped....

If it helps this was my thought process as best I can explain.....

Hmm color and tool.... OK color's easy.. what's a tool.... well a camera is a tool and a computer is a tool but obviously I'm stretching this... hmmm what was the last tool in the sense its meant I used... drill ... my drill is green.... solves both.

You need the Gluten gorilla....

Simply take one along to the resto and when you order noone will be staring at YOU...

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green drill here ????

when all you have is a drill the whole world is suddenly full of holes!

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

Is it vinegar you can't have for some reason or the gluten?

Good quality (real) rice vinegar is gluten-free and the correct thing to use.... so you don't really need modifications.

seasoning.... some nice toasted sesame oil goes a long way.... you can also roast onions or shallots (scallions?) until they get dry and add this to the sesame oil.

Im not worried at all about medical bills i do live in Canada and have full coverage of health and everything, same with to do with dented cans we dont do that here. Rice potatoes and al that ive been living off of pretty much forever. Im just so sick of this diet i dont like feeling sick all the time, not being able to eat things i really want...i dunno just cant stand it anymore. 18 years my whole life so far living in solitude, i feel trapped.

If you are willing to cook your own food then theres very little you are missing out on.... actually I'm a bit biassed because I don't even think about lots of gluten-free products and rarely buy any of them....hence I don't really miss them.

When I'm at home I eat "normal food" ; I chose from 1 of 50,000 gluten free recipees except I don't... I just chose recipees that are either naturally gluten free or really simply altered,

Food bills are one of those things..I can go and spend $300 at a supermarket quite easily and buy lots of luxuries or I can live of $20 a week.

One of my (well my girlfriends) fav things is chicken soup... I just buy the offcuts of chicken (not really because of cost but because they make better stock/soup) .. I know the wings are expensive in Canada so buy thighs and drumsticks...

I'll give you an example ...

I'll buy a bag of chicken drumsticks for a few $ meanwhile I'll also buy some fresh vegetables and I boil the drumsticks up with some garlic, herbs and the peelings from carrots, heads from celery etc. (give em a good wash first) ... BUT the thing is your not going to actually eat the celery heads and peel etc. your just taking all the vitamins, minerals and taste from them..

After about 30 mins at a low boil I fish out the drumsticks and let them cool, running them under a cold tap in a seive helps... and then I take off the skin, knuckles etc. and throw these back in the pot... and pull off the meat.. it adds up pretty quickly.. anbd soon you have a large pile of chicken meat...

Seperately I boil up the veg which was not "garbage", the actual carrots and celery, leeks etc. and add the stock I made but I reserve at least half ... 12 drumsticks makes A LOT... but basically the stock and the chicken meat just become some "prepared items" .. for the soup I just add the vegetables tothe stock and cook them and add some chicken meat 10 mins before the end.. you can make it into a thin asian soup and add rice noodles and sweetcorn or a thick hearty broth adding some rice or peas or lentils etc. indeed there are at least 1001 chicken soup recipees....

The OTHER reason I do this is because its an excellent source of vitamins and calcium!

With the rest of the stock I can make chicken curry, risotto or again a huge list of stuff ... in summer it can be a simple chicken salad using the meat etc. or a simple meal like fajitas using the meat...

Or take beef... I like stuff like bourguignon, stroganoff or goulash .. again I'll buy offcut meat because it tends to be tastier and a decent steak will practically have dissolved into mush after marinading for 24 hours then cooking for 12... (which is how I do my bourguignon) ... you can just google recipees and easily adapt them.. for instance for bourguignon I just use gluten-free flour in the roux.

There is one thing stopping you doing this (and its easy for me to say) ... and that is I have a well stocked larger...of basic ingredients. when I visit my mom she doesn't and it is incredibly hard for me to find stuff to make... and I end up eatng gluten-free bread and such because its all she has... the hardest part is getting the basics together.... once you do then its dead easy to just look for an idea on the internet to make dinner more interesting... and ITS A LOT CHEAPER.... and I mean really a lot. If you buy spices in bulk (preferably Asian stores for price/quantity) .. I always roast and grind for instance my own cumin and coriander (cilantro) and i buy large packets but so long as its still seeds and kept dry lasts for years... to be honest I rarely bother roasting, I just stick a saucepan on low and "roast" them that way and it takes 2 mins.. anyway what Im trying to say is the packet mix for say chilli costs 20x what it costs to make it yourself....

So I really feel that if you get into the habit of buying the basics and stocking up you will get a much more varied and exciting diet. You'll spend more time hunting down that ingredient than loking at the products you can't have in the supermarket etc. and if your willing to do it you can make it fun as well.

If your rushed we started a thread once with over 100 recipees could be cooked in the time it takes to cook rice or gluten-free pasta.

The logic being your not saving ANY time by using a packet or tin of you still have to wait for the rice to cook.

Her sleep patterns and delerium are easily explained by her running a fever and/or antibiotics and/or the other meds but perhaps not surprising considering what she has been through.

Its also quite possible that the stuff she is going through is just the healing process. I realise it must freak you out but lots of illnesses our bodies actually feel worse once we start fighting. As for the apple sauce and stuff ... I agree it would give anyone the runs eating taost and applesauce but so what ... by which I mean I think obviously because of the celiac disease your worried about D because you associate it with gluten. If your certain this isn't gluten (and it seems you are) then its just a bout of diarrea. I mean its never fun but its not the end of the world either.... all of us here make the same connections because we are all in the same boat but its likely this D has nothing to do with gluten, your keeping her hydrated ... etc.

Keep the doctors informaed about the symptoms but don't overstress.....

Just a note here..... you really are a fabulous guy, I know all these ladies think so too BUT don'y forget to look after yourself...

You are doing everything possible for Alex, but you need to make sure that you are sleeping/eating and generally healthy in order to look after her at the moment... sorry for being a bit pushy on that but I know its easy to forget..

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These natural Lays are NOT safe! I used to be addicted to the all natural corn chips on their gluten free list; however, they kept me sick for an entire summer. Despite the wonderful looking ingredient list, these chips are cross-contaminated. Check the disclaimer on their gluten free list.

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MSU.... this is exactly what I did with some corn tortilla's.

Because I thought they were safe I kept them as a backup.... and I lost about 6 months of my life feeling crap and wondering what I was doing wrong...

The problem is you never know.... you can test them one batch and be fine then another batch isn't.... and there is no logical way of knowing short of trying... but because of the nature of chips in general..they're something easy to keep around as a fallback.

I know St Johns Wort can interfere with the effectiveness of birth control pills and maybe other meds, too. You might want run this by a doc before you start taking it if she is on any other meds. Omega-3 can be a good supplement to help with depression, too.

I can't see birth control being a problem somehow

Also I think that the UK has much stricter rules on suppliments than the US.... not perfect, they are not regulated like pharmacutical drugs but neither are they classed as "food"....

jkmunchkin: Im not offended and as others say, its amazing that in the UK we have a Royaly sponsored society for animals and a national one for children.... however for me the issue is more practical than that...

Celiacs already get a bad press.... you can make jokes about celiacs that would be considered poor taste or even worse of the subject was ethnicity or obesity or 101 other things, some self induced and others not...

however if we run round saying "gluten is killing pets" when its not (at least not quickly) we just get classed as weirdo's again and whenever we try and say "oh but I can't have that" it will be like the health food assistant telling you "oh its OK, its organic wholegrain wheat" ... instead it will be, its OK its not the chinese gluten.... before they run into the kitchen to laugh at someone thinking they could be allergic to wheat LOL ....

It depends where you are....

Its my understanding that NZ is zero gluten and the UK is low gluten... the same bottle will be OK in the UK and not in NZ...

The technical reasons behind this are rather long and complex....

The bottom line is each distillation is unique... the chance of getting any gluten or gliadins is pretty small? but present.

You could view this like CC in a shared production line... if they run a test after 50,000 packets of plain crisps then they are liekly to get a different answer than if they just switched from a product containing gluten and you get the first batch...

I have emailed several manufactuerers of Whisky and whiskey with very specific questions.... you are welcome to do the same but to date NONE of them have responded.

What I ask is if they can guarantee that zero gluten will be found in ANY of their product if tested by instrumentation with a detection limit of hundreds of ppb. So far not a single one has answered. I have previously emailed them asking if their product is gluten free and the usualy answer is "according to CUK the product is safe for celiacs"... but as soon as I write it in scientific terms and ask them directly... they just refuse to answer... so its your call.

I would never be a spoiler out here in the open.. only in a PM or just give hints if you wanted them.. I got to level 12 too, then I actually used a spoiler and have no idea how or why this is the answer.. I am taking a break.. it does give you a headache after a while!!!!

OK, give me a hint then..... I really got no idea about college football (or any football for that matter) and still ain't got it...

(or just tell me....)

edits...

sorry by pm of course!