Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Dq2 Positive/dq8 Negative


ftmomma

Recommended Posts

ftmomma Rookie

I'm new here, first post....please bear with me as I learn the ropes in the forum. Not sure if I'm posting this question in the right place, but hope someone checks it out :-)

Reader's Digest Version: I have not been feeling "right" since about 8 weeks after the birth of my baby (uncomplicated pregnancy and childbirth). GI issues, severe abdom. issues (2 ER visits), joint pain, peripheral neuropathy (hands/feet) and weight loss (25lbs in about 5 months).

Celiac panel was done twice. Both showed normal results. GI dr still wanted to do endoscopy. 1 in Dec and another in May. Both show white blood cell infiltration (patches in various parts) and inflammation. Then sent me for Genetic bloodwork. Tested positive for HLA - DQ2 and negative for HLA -DQ8. Have been gluten free since July 1 (while waiting for results) my waistline has decreased by 3 inches (and I haven't lost weight). Feel so much better already! (which I know should be more of an indication on what I should do even more so than test results)

Still waiting to get a call from my GI dr re: the genetic testing. He usually calls with reports after hours. I actually got the report from my primary care dr at an appointment this afternoon. She stated that since I only have 1 of the genes "I probably don't have Celiac because my initial antibody tests were negative". She didn't think it was necessary for my immediate family or my children to be tested, because I only have "1 of the genes".

Is this true??? How often or common is it that people with celiac would carry both the DQ2 and the DQ8? I realize that just beacuse someone may have the genes, it may not be a clear cut case that they also have Celiac. But if they have a gene, inflammation in small intestine and symptoms, why would she still be thinking it might be something else?

ok---so much for the short version- thanks for any info!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



happygirl Collaborator

You don't need both genes to have Celiac. If you had neither gene, and negative tests, then Celiac could essentially be ruled out.

I think its a small percentage of Celiacs who have both genes.

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Open Original Shared Link

Skylark Collaborator

One copy of DQ2 or DQ8 confers some risk for celiac disease. No current genetic test gives a clear-cut result. There is a dosage effect, meaning the risk is higher with to copies of DQ2 or DQ8. Having no "celiac" genes doesn't even rule out celiac, as some folks on this board can tell you. We don't actually know all the genes involved. HLA-DQ is just the tip of the iceberg.

Your doctors need to rule out inflammatory bowel diseases if you don't have celiac antibodies. Those can cause inflammation and abnormal biopsies too, although I think the neuropathy and your response to a gluten-free diet is more suggestive of celiac (or gluten intolerance). Going gluten-free is actually helpful for a lot of GI problems, so they're taking a cautious approach since you got so sick. Keep right on eating gluten-free and let them make sure there are no other problems that need to be treated. :)

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      12

      9 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?

    2. - Mari replied to Jmartes71's topic in Coping with Celiac Disease
      1

      Second chance

    3. - cristiana replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      12

      9 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,564
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Greg C
    Newest Member
    Greg C
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      I found some articles that illustrate the immune reaction to casein and gluten. Bovine milk caseins and transglutaminase-treated cereal prolamins are differentially recognized by IgA of celiac disease patients according to their age https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19290628/   Gliadin and Casein Metabolism: Synthesis of Gliadomorphin and Casomorphin and Their Biological Consequences https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397908713_Gliadin_and_Casein_Metabolism_Synthesis_of_Gliadomorphin_and_Casomorphin_and_Their_Biological_Consequences   Effects of milk containing only A2 beta casein versus milk containing both A1 and A2 beta casein proteins on gastrointestinal physiology, symptoms of discomfort, and cognitive behavior of people with self-reported intolerance to traditional cows’ milk https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4818854/#:~:text=Results,lactose tolerant and intolerant subjects.   Casomorphins and Gliadorphins Have Diverse Systemic Effects Spanning Gut, Brain and Internal Organs https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8345738/   Brain Opioid Activity and Oxidative Injury: Different Molecular Scenarios Connecting Celiac Disease and Autistic Spectrum Disorder https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7407635/  
    • Mari
      Ijmartes71 I  son't think you are crazy by any psycoligical s=defination but you are obsessive. you may have considerable brain fog  , a problem that affects celiacs and many other people. . With this obsession you have abd being braun dogged you arw not abke to take any advice people are giving you to help you. To take advice you need to reduce your anxieties abd think more clearly. .Stop taking your herbs for at least one week because some of them will have side ellectsif you take them too long. You can add them back if you don't notice any good changes. Be more careful about being strictly gluten free.  
    • cristiana
      Just to say that I too was hesitant to come off dairy products completely @dsfraley.  Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses definitely caused bloating.  This bloating gave me rib and pelvic pain, and I remember  the pain was so horrible at times it was almost a sick feeling., kind of like the sort of aches you get with flu.   Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses also gave me diarrhea, but I noted I could still eat small amounts of hard cheese like cheddar without any issues. Re: milk, my gastroenterologist told me at that time that I could just by lactofree products, and should be fine, but when my gut was still very damaged they went right through me regardless. Thankfully I am able to tolerate milk very well again, although I have noted that too much of it can have a slightly laxative effect. The other thing that made me feel off were heavy iron supplements, which contributed to bloating and diarrhea.  In the end a GP told me to take ferrous gluconate, which is a much gentler supplement, with water an hour before breakfast in the morning.  That was helpful.  If your son is supplementing  (which needs to be under medical supervision as too much iron can cause issues) Floravital fruit syrup is another alternative, but make sure you don't buy Floradix as it contains gluten. Lastly, all oats, soya products and certain pulses also made my stomach sore.  Apart from the oats (which need to be certified 'pure' aka gluten free ones) I was able to eat these things again some months after adopting a gluten-free diet. I would say keeping a food diary might be worth a try, noting any negative symptoms following eating.  Patterns start to emerge which might otherwise be difficult to identify.
    • trents
    • Wheatwacked
      Anyway, I have no problem with grass fed milk other than the price.  Maybe I should move to Ireland or New Zealand.  They're the only countries that don't feed grains to their cows to increase milkfat and milk volume. A side note: I just came back trom the vascular surgeon about the scan of my carotid arteries done last week.  A year ago I had over 90% stenosis in the right artery and 80% in the left.  Tcar procedure done in the right with a stent.  The results today were right side downgraded to Moderate stenosis and the surgeon did not expect to see as much improvement on the left. (untouched). I must be doing something right.  Recheck in six months.   Mucosal reactivity to cow's milk protein in coeliac disease This paper proves that cassein is the protein in cow's milk is the trigger but the study did not differentiate as grass fed milk.  I haven't found any studies specific to grassmilk. The study does not differentiate alpha or beta cassein.  Google says: some clinicians speculate that grain-based proteins could potentially pass into the milk, though scientific studies typically find no detectable gluten or gliadin fragments in bovine milk regardless of the cow's diet. So given alpha cassein as the trigger, grass fed A2 cassein; thought to be easier to digest and less likely to trigger the specific inflammatory pathways associated with standard commercial dairy; plus the omega 6:3 ratio of grain fed milk is 5.8:1 vs grass fed ratio of 1:1, grass fed milk is less inflammatory.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.