Why Oats reducing my pain and giving energy

[Adam 50]

I have been using Gluton-Free diet for two years and although my stomach problems and bloating have largely gone away, my leg muscles usually hurt and I have much less energy than before. For some time now, I have noticed that when I use Oats, my body energy increases and the pain in my leg muscles decreases. I wanted to know what is the reason for this and what other gluten-free products I can get with the same result.

[trents]

Welcome to the forum, Adam 50!

I can't tell you why Oats seem to help you but there must be some nutrient in oats that you are lacking elsewhere from your diet.

What vitamins and supplements are you taking?

[Adam 50]

14 minutes ago, trents said:

Welcome to the forum, Adam 50!

I can't tell you why Oats seem to help you but there must be some nutrient in oats that you are lacking elsewhere from your diet.

What vitamins and supplements are you taking?

Thanks 

Actually, I use vitamin D, vitamin C, and multivitamin
I do not know which vitamins and supplements can help me
I even talked to a Diet expert, who unfortunately had much less information than I did
I can say that I get tired sooner when I walk and usually have muscle pains, but in any case, these oats have helped me a lot but not enough

 

[Wheatwacked]

I've been looking for the words but you discribe it so well. I noticed it may be connected to carbs or calories.

Oats Nutrition

[cristiana]

Oats contain magnesium - have you considered supplementing this?

Also, I wonder what your D vitamin levels are?  I am prescribed very high Vit D by my gastroenterologist because the small amounts in OTC supplements frankly wouldn't go very far to helping me.  I reckon it has definitely helped me combat fatigue, aches and pains.  

[Wheatwacked]

There might be an answer here: Role of phosphate and calcium stores in muscle fatigue  "CaPi precipitation in the SR may contribute to the disabling fatigue common in many muscle disabilities... The evidence is now reasonably strong that precipitation of CaPi in the SR can contribute to the decline of SR Ca2+ release in muscles and is therefore one important cause of fatigue."

100 grams of Oats have 573 mg of phosphorus 75% RDA. and 177 mg (45% RDA) magnesium.

For comparison, 100 grams of banana has 22 mg of phosphorus and 27 mg magnesium. Both are almost equal in potassium.

Walking on the treadmill seemed to help. A walk around the block could end up me stuck resting halfway home. Making it back from the mailbox at the curb sometimes is difficult.

I am on vitamin D, 250 mcg a day (10,000 IU) maintaining 80 ng/ml.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Wheatwacked

[Adam 50]

1 hour ago, Wheatwacked said:

There might be an answer here: Role of phosphate and calcium stores in muscle fatigue  "CaPi precipitation in the SR may contribute to the disabling fatigue common in many muscle disabilities... The evidence is now reasonably strong that precipitation of CaPi in the SR can contribute to the decline of SR Ca2+ release in muscles and is therefore one important cause of fatigue."

100 grams of Oats have 573 mg of phosphorus 75% RDA. and 177 mg (45% RDA) magnesium.

For comparison, 100 grams of banana has 22 mg of phosphorus and 27 mg magnesium. Both are almost equal in potassium.

Walking on the treadmill seemed to help. A walk around the block could end up me stuck resting halfway home. Making it back from the mailbox at the curb sometimes is difficult.

I am on vitamin D, 250 mcg a day (10,000 IU) maintaining 80 ng/ml.

Any supplements or gluten-free foods suggested with the same result as oats?

[Adam 50]

3 hours ago, cristiana said:

Oats contain magnesium - have you considered supplementing this?

Also, I wonder what your D vitamin levels are?  I am prescribed very high Vit D by my gastroenterologist because the small amounts in OTC supplements frankly wouldn't go very far to helping me.  I reckon it has definitely helped me combat fatigue, aches and pains.  

It is D3 1,000

  Is there a supplement that gives the same results as oats?  

[cristiana]

I am afraid I'm no nutritionist but this lists what oats contains:

https://www.webmd.com/diet/health-benefits-oatmeal#2

As your symptoms seem to improve when you eat oats, I think in your shoes I might see if I can get my blood tested to see if there are any deficiencies on this list, and then seek to address them through diet and supplementation.  I don't know where you live, but in the UK most testing of this nature has to be done privately and not on the NHS (state healthcare).

 

[trents]

Adam, may we ask your age?

Celiac disease, because it damages the lining of the small bowel where all of our nutrition is absorbed, typically creates vitamin and mineral deficiencies in those who develop celiac disease and are not diagnosed quickly. 

Routinely, we recommend to new forum participants who have been diagnosed with celiac disease to start taking a high potency sublingual B12, B-complex, 5000 IU of D3 and magnesium. The B vitamins are all water soluble so there is no need to worry about toxicity from taking too high a dosage. You just pee out the excess. D3 is fat soluble so there is a possibility of toxicity from overdose but you really have to take a lot of it for that. 5000IU daily is a safe amount. Choose a magnesium supplement that is well-assimilated like mag citrate or mag glycinate to help prevent it producing a laxative effect. On this one, start with a lower dosage and titrate up to find the amount you can tolerate without producing the laxative effect. Make sure all your supplements are gluten-free. If you live near a Costco, their Nature Made brand of vitamins and supplements are a good choice. I get my magnesium from Amazon, "Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium 100% Chelated". It's the glycinate form. 

As far as phosphorus goes, get it from food sources: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-high-in-phosphorus

Edited June 11, 2022 by trents

[Adam 50]

22 minutes ago, trents said:

Adam, may we ask your age?

Celiac disease, because it damages the lining of the small bowel where all of our nutrition is absorbed, typically creates vitamin and mineral deficiencies in those who develop celiac disease and are not diagnosed quickly. 

Routinely, we recommend to new forum participants who have been diagnosed with celiac disease to start taking a high potency sublingual B12, B-complex, 5000 IU of D3 and magnesium. The B vitamins are all water soluble so there is no need to worry about toxicity from taking too high a dosage. You just pee out the excess. D3 is fat soluble so there is a possibility of toxicity from overdose but you really have to take a lot of it for that. 5000IU daily is a safe amount. Choose a magnesium supplement that is well-assimilated like mag citrate or mag glycinate to help prevent it producing a laxative effect. On this one, start with a lower dosage and titrate up to find the amount you can tolerate without producing the laxative effect. Make sure all your supplements are gluten-free. If you live near a Costco, their Nature Made brand of vitamins and supplements are a good choice. I get my magnesium from Amazon, "Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium 100% Chelated". It's the glycinate form. 

As far as phosphorus goes, get it from food sources: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods-high-in-phosphorus

I am 54, living in Canada

[trents]

Have you had a CBC (complete blood count) and a CMP (complete metabolic panel) done lately? I'm just wondering about things like iron deficiency anemia. Any labs out of whack?

[Kate333]

15 hours ago, cristiana said:

Oats contain magnesium - have you considered supplementing this?

Also, I wonder what your D vitamin levels are?  I am prescribed very high Vit D by my gastroenterologist because the small amounts in OTC supplements frankly wouldn't go very far to helping me.  I reckon it has definitely helped me combat fatigue, aches and pains.  

Hi Cristiana.  What dose of vitamin D are you taking?  And every day?

[Wheatwacked]

21 hours ago, Adam 50 said:

For some time now, I have noticed that when I use Oats, my body energy increases and the pain in my leg muscles decreases.

Keep eating oats. Some people are sensitive to cross contamination but if you are not, oats is a good source of nutrition.  I don't know what is causing the leg fatigue but it is not the oats. Even as a kid in gym class my legs would fatigue long before my classmates. Now it happens quicker. If I flex the muscles below my waiste they creak. Not the joints, I am completely joint pain free now.

Here is a link to a sample food log with oats and beans central to reaching the RDA of most essential vitamins and minerals with nutrient values from the National Nutrient Database. Food Log

[cristiana]

Hi Kate

This is what I'm supposed to take daily.

https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/2813/smpc#gref

Fultium D3 800, although you can get larger doses in the UK over the counter in the UK.   It has helped to bring my levels up to normal in a few years, I think possibly it took so long as I do tend to forget to take them!

[T burd]

On 6/11/2022 at 6:02 AM, Wheatwacked said:

There might be an answer here: Role of phosphate and calcium stores in muscle fatigue  "CaPi precipitation in the SR may contribute to the disabling fatigue common in many muscle disabilities... The evidence is now reasonably strong that precipitation of CaPi in the SR can contribute to the decline of SR Ca2+ release in muscles and is therefore one important cause of fatigue."

100 grams of Oats have 573 mg of phosphorus 75% RDA. and 177 mg (45% RDA) magnesium.

For comparison, 100 grams of banana has 22 mg of phosphorus and 27 mg magnesium. Both are almost equal in potassium.

Walking on the treadmill seemed to help. A walk around the block could end up me stuck resting halfway home. Making it back from the mailbox at the curb sometimes is difficult.

I am on vitamin D, 250 mcg a day (10,000 IU) maintaining 80 ng/ml.

I had low D at my diagnosis. I was only supplementing D for a while. Then I read somewhere you need to have magnesium and calcium and D together for each of them to work properly. 
I got calcium plus D and magnesium in one pill from GNC. 
 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32972636/

[knitty kitty]

@Adam 50,

Oats are high in Thiamine.  Adding a Thiamine supplement (thiamine hydrochloride, allithiamine or benfotiamine) could help.

Every single cell in our bodies need thiamine to provide energy and for enzymes.   Insufficient thiamine could explain your fatigue and muscle pain or cramping.  

Thiamine is Vitamin B1.  It's water soluble and cannot be stored for long.  Taking additional thiamine in addition to your multivitamin would be beneficial.  

Hope this helps!

[Adam 50]

9 minutes ago, knitty kitty said:

@Adam 50,

Oats are high in Thiamine.  Adding a Thiamine supplement (thiamine hydrochloride, allithiamine or benfotiamine) could help.

Every single cell in our bodies need thiamine to provide energy and for enzymes.   Insufficient thiamine could explain your fatigue and muscle pain or cramping.  

Thiamine is Vitamin B1.  It's water soluble and cannot be stored for long.  Taking additional thiamine in addition to your multivitamin would be beneficial.  

Hope this helps!

Thanks a lot

This is new, I got two questions:

- Which one do you suggest B1 or these supplements instead of Oates?
- Other suggestions have been made by other friends like Magnesium, Calcium, Vitamin D and so on.

What is your suggestion in those cases?

[knitty kitty]

44 minutes ago, Adam 50 said:

Thanks a lot

This is new, I got two questions:

- Which one do you suggest B1 or these supplements instead of Oates?
- Other suggestions have been made by other friends like Magnesium, Calcium, Vitamin D and so on.

What is your suggestion in those cases?

Including oats in your diet is a good thing.  You can supplement thiamine and the other B vitamins in addition to eating oats.  

The eight B vitamins need each other to function properly, so all eight B vitamins should be supplemented together, like in a B Complex.  Taking additional Thiamine above what a B Complex contains is beneficial.  

Thiamine in the form thiamine hydrochloride, or in the fat soluble forms benfotiamine and allithiamine can be beneficial.  

When there's an insufficiency of thiamine, taking more thiamine can help thiamine get into the cells easily.  

Magnesium is needed for Thiamine to function properly.  Increasing magnesium increases our body's ability to utilize Thiamine.  So additional thiamine plus magnesium will be beneficial.  

Our bodies do need a variety nutrients.  Taking Vitamin D and K2 along with calcium, magnesium, thiamine and the other B vitamins is beneficial.  

[trents]

kk, are there fat soluble versions of other B vitamins besides Thiamine? 

[knitty kitty]

21 minutes ago, trents said:

kk, are there fat soluble versions of other B vitamins besides Thiamine? 

Not that I'm aware of.  

Riboflavin has some fat soluble derivatives, but the body can make those easily.

 

[Blue-Sky]

On 6/10/2022 at 11:53 PM, Adam 50 said:

I have been using Gluton-Free diet for two years and although my stomach problems and bloating have largely gone away, my leg muscles usually hurt and I have much less energy than before. For some time now, I have noticed that when I use Oats, my body energy increases and the pain in my leg muscles decreases. I wanted to know what is the reason for this and what other gluten-free products I can get with the same result.

Since you were taking a multivitamin, that makes it less likely to be a problem. The body will try to up regulate the absorption of vitamins if they are deficient and hang on to them longer.

Fiber has a ton of antinflamitory properties. Oats are extremely high in fiber. You might try other high fiber foods to see if they help or supplement.

[Adam 50]

18 minutes ago, Blue_Sky said:

Since you were taking a multivitamin, that makes it less likely to be a problem. The body will try to up regulate the absorption of vitamins if they are deficient and hang on to them longer.

Fiber has a ton of antinflamitory properties. Oats are extremely high in fiber. You might try other high fiber foods to see if they help or supplement.

  I'm not sure if the problem is a lack of fiber since I eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, but if I don't eat oats for a few days, my muscles will start to ache immediately, while I consume enough fruit and vegetables. Whenever I start using oats again, I notice a decrease in muscle pain and an increase in energy, but the pain does not go away.  

[Blue-Sky]

5 minutes ago, Adam 50 said:

  I'm not sure if the problem is a lack of fiber since I eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, but if I don't eat oats for a few days, my muscles will start to ache immediately, while I consume enough fruit and vegetables. Whenever I start using oats again, I notice a decrease in muscle pain and an increase in energy, but the pain does not go away.  

That seems like an unusual reaction to oats. I don't know if it is immune related or not and that the body has problems adjusting to different levels of inflammation quickly.

Oats help with balancing blood sugar levels though and may help getting the right bacteria in the right spot which could help with reducing inflammation.

[Adam 50]

26 minutes ago, Blue_Sky said:

That seems like an unusual reaction to oats. I don't know if it is immune related or not and that the body has problems adjusting to different levels of inflammation quickly.

Oats help with balancing blood sugar levels though and may help getting the right bacteria in the right spot which could help with reducing inflammation.

The information I received from my doctor - I live in Canada - and a nutritionist was unfortunate. However, the information I received from you and other friends on this page is great. Maybe this comment from our other friend will help. This is a copy:

 

Oats are high in Thiamine.  Adding a Thiamine supplement (thiamine hydrochloride, allithiamine or benfotiamine) could help.

Every single cell in our bodies need thiamine to provide energy and for enzymes.   Insufficient thiamine could explain your fatigue and muscle pain or cramping.  

Thiamine is Vitamin B1.  It's water soluble and cannot be stored for long.  Taking additional thiamine in addition to your multivitamin would be beneficial.  

Hope this helps!