Legal Loopholes- Help Me Find One

[Lister]

why me, why does my life always have to give me crap.

so the place that i work for is a franchise owned fastfood resturant. in the past week the company that owns are store desided to sell all of there restruants to a new company. This new company has alot of new rules and regulations and i meen alot. one of the things is all the paperwork has to be redone, including hiring information. so basicly everyones records got wiped clean, so the 4 years of service i have there has disaperd and i am now a new hire .... . Not only that but even though im a manager, aparently this new company does not do my level of managment so me and my other equal are getting demoated back to crew. To top it all off because its a new company we had to all fill out aplications and resign the rule book, both of which have changed. The applications added another form that is of course about piss testing. it says apon hire they can give you a piss test at will if they feel they want to. Now this could be a problem for me, but i figure i just wont give them a reason to test me and quit smoking today permanently, that way if something ever happens and i need a test i wont loose my job over my own personal recreational habbit. so i figured i was in the clear even though this news really sucks for me since the green is the only thing i have found so far that keeps my stomich calm, without it i ache alot more then i do with it. But instead more news came torwards my end of the shift, aparently at some random point next week, all the crew is getting tested since we are all "new" employes, so even if i quit today im going to be dirty, for something that i did not at work in my own house never intoxicated at work, but im going to loose my job for it, is this right? i meen i know they can give you piss tests and fire you for them and thats legal but my job has never had piss tests before i have been working there for 4 years and smoking for the entire time with no problems, so now out of the blue im going to get tested and i dont even get a chance to get clean and quit. is this wrong please say it is please say i got a legal chance if i have to fight this. Im so scared im going to loose my job i dont know what would happen to me. Its not like i can even go out and try to get a new job since my piss wont be clean for atleast a month plus i dont have a high school diploma. I am really really scared

[jesscarmel]

hi lister

i have a friend who had to get regular testing for the same thing and 12 hrs before he would not eat and just drink water alot of it and his urine was fine every time but he still smoked ??!! thats what he told me- not sure if its true. also its probably not good for you to not eat for that long give your stomach probs but thought i would pass the info on

Jess

[Lister]

that would work if its a super super low grade test, unforunatly i dont know what grade test they use, most tests would see that your urine does not contain any of the natural vitamens your body should have and you will fail the piss test for having diluted piss ( or atleast thats what happend with me when i tried to clean myself out before a ua for probation along time ago)

[Rachel--24]

I'm *guessing* that since this is a new company and there are new rules and since you are now (in their eyes) a "new hire"......they can most likely put ALL of their employees through drug testing.

Where I work new hires are drug tested....this was not the case when I was hired almost 17 years ago. They cannot drug test me now unless they have good reason to believe that I *need* to be tested. However...I'm still working for the same company....there is no change in ownership. The *new* rules only apply to the *new* employees....under union contract.

A long time ago I had a roommate who had to get drug tested and had just smoked the day before. I think she drank tons of water and took some kind of supplement and I think that worked for her.

[Lister]

the test is going to be random so i wont know when to flush myself, i could also do niacin but that shows up in some uas plus if you have ever taken a large dosage of niacin you know that stuff sucks, dont even really wanna think about that

[Rachel--24]

the test is going to be random so i wont know when to flush myself, i could also do niacin but that shows up in some uas plus if you have ever taken a large dosage of niacin you know that stuff sucks, dont even really wanna think about that

I was trying to remember what my roommate did...I *think* the supplement she took was goldenseal?? I dont know why or how it would work....but I think she took that and drank lots of water. It was a long time ago but I remember her being all stressed out and I'm not sure if all the water diluted her urine too much?? I think they wanted her to redo the test. I dont remember if she retook it or not...but she got the job she was applying for.

[jerseyangel]

Deleated--answered by PM instead.

[Lister]

job just keeps getting better... the new owners aparently dont want anyone with a criminal history working for them, not a problem for me but, we have lost over 5 employes now because they have past fellons, some of these employes have worked for us for over 2 years and now we have to fire them just because of something they did in the past, since its new ownership its legal.. man wtf aparently these new owners meen busness gah... to top it off i found out the meds im on can make me piss a false positive for meth and also diabetes/kidny problems can make you test positive for thc even if your perfectly clean, now i dont know if i have diabetes but my doctor thinks i may and i have a blood test in 3 days for it. so at this point its looking like no matter what i do im going to test a false positive for something.. what can i do? will a employer belive you if you say its a false positive? i meen man wtf do i do

well on a side note i have been job hunting and i may have found a job, its away from food but its also slightly dangerise, its for a fiberglass factory here in town and they start you off at 10 doller a hour

[jerseyangel]

Well Lister, maybe this whole job thing was a blessing in disguise! The new job sounds promising--better pay, and away from food. Just be sure to take all of the proper precautions, as you said it could be more dangerous.

I would also urge you to keep working with your doctor on the diabetes angle. That could explain your weight loss and some of your other symptoms.

As far as any prescriptions you are taking that may alter your drug tests, maybe bring in the Rx bottles with you so they can make note of what you are taking. Really, these people have seen it all.

Keep us posted!

[CarlaB]

I agree with Patti, if you have proof you're taking Rx's, they'll know there is a reason for a positive in the drug test. I'm sure they know about false positives.