Soy Intolerance

[eeyore]

What are the symptoms of soy intolerance?

[mushroom]

I believe they wil probably be different for each person. For me, I developed a bright red itchy rash on my torso from my neck down. This was from all the soy in the gluten replacement foods I consumed.

[eeyore]

Are things like sharp abdominal pains symptoms? And would there be anything special associated with things like constant back pain and joints cracking, or constant fatigue? I'm already off gluten and casein.

[AliB]

Soy gives me backache and stomach discomfort. It is getting better since I started the Specific Carb Diet(SCD) but then soy is one of the things that is not permitted on the diet for the very reason that a lot are intolerant of it.

Processed soy stuff is pretty evil. The Japanese eat a lot of it but they have it fresh and fermented in the way of miso, tempeh and tofu. We just have it 'mucked about with'!

I also find it VERY mucous-forming.

I see this all the time on here - people asking about intolerances to other foods - it is so common I wish we could put a banner at the top of the page to just direct people straight to the SCD. It would cut all those constant unrelenting questions from those who just don't know where to turn!

Whilst there are a few that may get better after dropping gluten, by far the majority don't, or improve a little then get stuck or even go backwards. Gut dysbiosis and rogue bacteria in the digestive tract, whilst initially knocked back after their gluten food source is removed soon transfer and adapt to new ones like soy, or corn and come back with a vengeance.

We've all been there. The SCD, by removing the long-chain carbs that feed them helps get them under control and encourages the body to heal. Much of the gluten-free foods out there just keep the damage going - it is only by removing it all that we stand any chance of recovering properly.

There is a lot of testimented evidence that the SCD works and those of us on here who are following are gradually getting better. Check out the SCD thread on this section and for more info 'breaking the vicious cycle' and 'Pecanbread' are the best sites about the diet itself and why it works.

[nutrifoodie]

Soy gives me backache and stomach discomfort. It is getting better since I started the Specific Carb Diet(SCD) but then soy is one of the things that is not permitted on the diet for the very reason that a lot are intolerant of it.

Processed soy stuff is pretty evil. The Japanese eat a lot of it but they have it fresh and fermented in the way of miso, tempeh and tofu. We just have it 'mucked about with'!

I also find it VERY mucous-forming.

I see this all the time on here - people asking about intolerances to other foods - it is so common I wish we could put a banner at the top of the page to just direct people straight to the SCD. It would cut all those constant unrelenting questions from those who just don't know where to turn!

Whilst there are a few that may get better after dropping gluten, by far the majority don't, or improve a little then get stuck or even go backwards. Gut dysbiosis and rogue bacteria in the digestive tract, whilst initially knocked back after their gluten food source is removed soon transfer and adapt to new ones like soy, or corn and come back with a vengeance.

We've all been there. The SCD, by removing the long-chain carbs that feed them helps get them under control and encourages the body to heal. Much of the gluten-free foods out there just keep the damage going - it is only by removing it all that we stand any chance of recovering properly.

There is a lot of testimented evidence that the SCD works and those of us on here who are following are gradually getting better. Check out the SCD thread on this section and for more info 'breaking the vicious cycle' and 'Pecanbread' are the best sites about the diet itself and why it works.

Being allergic to soy is hard.

I get very uncomfortable, make me feel wicked sick, gastro/intenstine symptoms.

and I feel like crap.

lol. being soy free is so nice though

[eeyore]

I never thought about the mucous -I've had a constantly stuffed nose and just assumed it was allergies. I guess it might not be.

I think that's exactly what's happening to me. I got a little better, then started getting worse and came to a standstill. A lot of the things I'm eating now have soy in them.

[Bell]

I've been reading the SCD thread with great interest, but wouldn't it make sense to have a whole forum for SCD discussions? At 67 pages the one thread feels in danger of collapsing under the strain! and it's hard for newbies to find the basic info in there.

anyone else agree?

[mftnchn]

I think we might need some suggestions from the moderators in terms of the best way to manage. SCD belongs in this forum because it is gluten free, but how to organize it in this forum is the question. We've already started a dedicated thread for recipes for SCD.

[AliB]

Hear, hear, Sherry. There are of course, dedicated SCD websites with their own forums, but there are so many struggling on here that would benefit from the diet that it would be hard to abandon it for other climes.

I just wish we could put a banner at the top of every section to direct people to it first before they end up posting yet another desperate question or plaintiff cry!

An SCD section on its own would be the best option, then those who are curious could investigate and those who know about it would be able to go straight to it.

It would be good to have some kind of description at the top of the section somehow to describe what the diet is and how it can help those who are still sick after going gluten-free.

Perhaps if enough of us appeal to Scott, he might just consider it............

[mftnchn]

In terms of soy intolerance, I agree that symptoms will be individual. What I did at about the 3 month mark Gluten-free Casein-free, was do some elimination testing. I eliminated all the grains first and then challenged them one by one. Rice seemed pretty ok, just a mild response. Corn was pretty iffy. I added in rice, and then eliminated all the legumes. I retested peanut, soy, and lima bean, maybe another couple. Soy made me ill for 24 hours. Don't remember all the symptoms, I'd have to review my notes. Peanut also was a problem.

My next idea was to eliminate the nightshades but I never got around to it.

After eliminating soy, I improved. I also went corn lite, and avoided peanut.

At the 15 month mark, my doctor put me on SCD. I had another very clear jump forward in healing. It was the most distinct of all the changes, including gluten-free.

All that to say, probably you will have to eliminate and challenge soy to see if it makes a difference for you.

[eeyore]

Would really dry skin be a symptom?

[kschauer]

Soy gives me some stomach and back pain. And usually has a laxative effect on me as well. I had been gluten free for a year and doing fine until one week were I consumed a significantly larger amount of soy, combined with an out of the ordinary amount of stress. I then figured out that soy was a problem for me. I am on the SCD and doing much better.

[AliB]

Dry skin could be linked - it is difficult to say as we all react differently.

Are you getting enough good fats? The body needs enough fat to work effectively - the brain is apparently at least 60% fat.

Contrary to popular opinion some fats that are considered good, like corn oil and sunflower are actually not beneficial to the body as they are usually highly processed.

Good fats conversely include some mainly condemned by the 'experts' - butter, animal fats, coconut oil and olive oil are beneficial. We need a certain amount of saturated fat. What controls cholesterol is not fat, otherwise those cultures that exist on 50% or more fat like the Inuit, would have high cholesterol, which they don't - what pushes cholesterol up is carbohydrates and refined sugars. Fats can contribute to it but only when eaten with high-carb and/or high-sugar.

Sorry, you may already know this but I thought I would post it for the benefit of others reading this thread!

[dollamasgetceliac?]

I just posted about having severe bloating and distention, I realise that I have been eating mostly CARBS and MEAT and SOY , the more I eat the sicker I get so then I cant stand in the kitchen chopping vegitables. So What is the Diet? I stay away from Dairy and all nuts , Fish due to severe food alergies.

thnx

LL

[AliB]

I just posted about having severe bloating and distention, I realise that I have been eating mostly CARBS and MEAT and SOY , the more I eat the sicker I get so then I cant stand in the kitchen chopping vegitables. So What is the Diet? I stay away from Dairy and all nuts , Fish due to severe food alergies.

thnx

LL

Hi LL.

The Specific Carbohydrate Diet is based on good basic food groups - meat, fish, poultry, veggies, fruit, nuts, raw honey and plain live yogurt for gut flora restoration. It removes grains and starches that contribute to the gut damage and encourage rogue bacteria, yeasts and parasites. Anything processed or 'mucked about with' is not permitted, either.

Many of us have problems with carb digestion and often very low stomach acid which inhibits the digestive process and contributes to all kinds of health issues. As Hippocrates said, "all disease begins in the gut". Get the gut right and everything else will follow. For those with a very poor digestion the diet starts with gentle foods like cooked carrots and chicken then gradually increases the range as the gut starts to heal and is able to cope with more.

If you would like to know more there is an SCD thread on this section (up to 71 pages and still going!!) and two good sites to look at are the official SCD site 'breaking the vicious cycle' and 'Pecanbread', which although it is aimed for kids with autism has a lot of interesting info for the benefit of all with many health issues. There are quite a few SCD websites popping up now too as the diet gains popularity, with loads of tasty recipes.

There is also an SCD recipe thread in the 'recipes' section on this forum.

Hope this helps. Please feel free to ask anything on the SCD thread - we are all 'muddling' through together and discovering the benefits of the diet as we go. Certainly we are all much better on it than off it! Most people who follow this diet are able to achieve recovery eventually, although it may take some time depending on the degree of damage. Better slow recovery than no recovery!

Ali.

[dollamasgetceliac?]

Thank you so much. Problem is I am allergic to so many things. That is also the Cross contamination issue. So i need to find people whom also have all these food allergies and are on this diet.

thnx

ll

[AliB]

Many of us suffer with different food intolerances and allergies - they are not going to necessarily be exactly the same as yours, but that doesn't matter. We all react differently because we are different. We all react slightly differently because we have issues with different foods. We all react differently because we are dealing with slightly differing gut dysbiosis, and bacteria, and gut damage, and Leaky Gut issues. Collectively we will all have all of the issues but we will not all have the same ones at the same time!

The point is that they are all down to the same thing, so whatever your health issues, intolerances and allergies are, they can all be helped by the SCD. The important thing is to get the gut healed and once it is no longer permeable and letting the allergens through the allergies will very likely diminish or even stop.

There is nothing to be suspicious of. There is no ulterior motive. You don't have to pay for any expensive remedies or treatments. The only thing that is required for the healing process to start, is a change of diet. The type of diet we eat can very much contribute to getting us into the mess and diet can also get us out of it.

If you really want to know if others on the SCD have similar issues to you, then try posting them on the SCD thread and see what others come back with.

[B'sgirl]

Is it possible to tolerate Soy Milk (Silk) and not tolerate Soybean Oil (vegetable oil)? It seems that may be the case with my toddler.

[AliB]

It may be highly likely - although they are both highly processed, the oil is processed in a different way to the milk so there could be some chemical or changed element in the procedure that affects him.

Personally I would rather avoid anything with processed soy of any kind in it. Although soybeans used in the traditional way by the Japanese of soaking and fermenting (tofu, tempeh and miso) is reasonably good food, processed soy is not. The phytates are not removed during the process either and the whole process can render it at best a food empty of vital nutrients and enzymes, and at worst, toxic to the body.

Almond milk and Coconut milk may be better options (I make my own Coconut milk, and delish it is too - my method is in the SCD recipe thread in the Recipes section if you are interested in trying that). Rice milk and oat milk may be other options although fairly high carb and possibly fattening.

[wendysc]

Soy definitely cause chronic fatigue for me. If I eat too much soy I feel like something is choking me. Too much soy oil and I have terrible indigestion or vomiting. The fatigue is the worst. I am usually full of energy but soy can make so tired I can't get out of bed. Sometimes I get joint pain with it. I haven't found anyone who takes my problems with soy oil seriously because they say that you can't be allergic to soy oil - my body says otherwise.

Are things like sharp abdominal pains symptoms? And would there be anything special associated with things like constant back pain and joints cracking, or constant fatigue? I'm already off gluten and casein.