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- Iam replied to Larzipan's topic in Related Issues & Disorders33Has anyone had terrible TMJ/ Jaw Pain from undiagnosed Celiac?
Yes. I have had the tmj condition for 40 years. My only help was strictly following celiac and also eliminating soy. Numerous dental visits and several professionally made bite plates did very little to help with symptoms -
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Cristiana makes a good point and it's something I've pointed out at different times on the forum. Not all of our ailments as those with celiac disease are necessarily tied to it. Sometimes we need to look outside the celiac box and remember we are mortal humans just like those without celiac disease. -
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- bobadigilatis replied to Larzipan's topic in Related Issues & Disorders33Has anyone had terrible TMJ/ Jaw Pain from undiagnosed Celiac?
Also suffer badly with gluten and TMJD, cutting out gluten has been a game changer, seems to be micro amounts, much less than 20ppm. Anyone else have issues with other food stuffs? Soy (tofu) and/or milk maybe causing TMJD flare-ups, any suggestions or ideas? --- I'm beginning to think it maybe crops that are grown or cured with glyphosphate... -
- cristiana replied to Scatterbrain's topic in Sports and Fitness6Feel like I’m starting over
Hi @Scatterbrain Thank you for your reply. Some of these things could be weaknesses, also triggered by stress, which perhaps have come about as the result of long-term deficiencies which can take a long time to correct. Some could be completely unrelated. If it is of help, I'll tell you some of the things that started in the first year or two...
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Cristiana makes a good point and it's something I've pointed out at different times on the forum. Not all of our ailments as those with celiac disease are necessarily tied to it. Sometimes we need to look outside the celiac box and remember we are mortal humans just like those without celiac disease. -
By bobadigilatis · Posted
Also suffer badly with gluten and TMJD, cutting out gluten has been a game changer, seems to be micro amounts, much less than 20ppm. Anyone else have issues with other food stuffs? Soy (tofu) and/or milk maybe causing TMJD flare-ups, any suggestions or ideas? --- I'm beginning to think it maybe crops that are grown or cured with glyphosphate. Oats, wheat, barley, soy, lentils, peas, chickpeas, rice, and buckwheat, almonds, apples, cherries, apricots, grapes, avocados, spinach, and pistachios. -
Hi @Scatterbrain Thank you for your reply. Some of these things could be weaknesses, also triggered by stress, which perhaps have come about as the result of long-term deficiencies which can take a long time to correct. Some could be completely unrelated. If it is of help, I'll tell you some of the things that started in the first year or two, following my diagnosis - I pinned everything on coeliac disease, but it turns out I wasn't always right! Dizziness, lightheaded - I was eventually diagnosed with cervical dizziness (worth googling, could be your issue too, also if you have neck pain?) A few months after diagnosis I put my neck out slightly carrying my seven-year-old above my head, and never assigned any relevance to it as the pain at the time was severe but so short-lived that I'd forgotten the connection. Jaw pain - stress. Tinnitus - I think stress, but perhaps exacerbated by iron/vitamin deficiencies. Painful ribs and sacroiliac joints - no idea, bloating made the pain worse. It got really bad but then got better. Irregular heart rate - could be a coincidence but my sister (not a coeliac) and I both developed this temporarily after our second Astra Zeneca covid jabs. Subsequent Pfizer jabs didn't affect us. Brain fog - a big thing for people with certain autoimmune issues but in my case I think possibly worse when my iron or B12 are low, but I have no proof of this. Insomnia - stress, menopause. So basically, it isn't always gluten. It might be worth having your vitamins and mineral levels checked, and if you have deficiencies speak to your Dr about how better to address them?
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By knitty kitty · Posted
@NanceK, I do have Hypersensitivity Type Four reaction to Sulfa drugs, a sulfa allergy. Benfotiamine and other forms of Thiamine do not bother me at all. There's sulfur in all kinds of Thiamine, yet our bodies must have it as an essential nutrient to make life sustaining enzymes. The sulfur in thiamine is in a ring which does not trigger sulfa allergy like sulfites in a chain found in pharmaceuticals. Doctors are not given sufficient education in nutrition (nor chemistry in this case). I studied Nutrition before earning a degree in Microbiology. I wanted to know what vitamins were doing inside the body. Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses. Not feeling well after starting Benfotiamine is normal. It's called the "thiamine paradox" and is equivalent to an engine backfiring if it's not been cranked up for a while. Mine went away in about three days. I took a B Complex, magnesium and added molybdenum for a few weeks. It's important to add a B Complex with all eight essential B vitamins. Supplementing just one B vitamin can cause lows in some of the others and result in feeling worse, too. Celiac Disease causes malabsorption of all the B vitamins, not just thiamine. You need all eight. Thiamine forms including Benfotiamine interact with each of the other B vitamins in some way. It's important to add a magnesium glycinate or chelate supplement as well. Forms of Thiamine including Benfotiamine need magnesium to make those life sustaining enzymes. (Don't use magnesium oxide. It's not absorbed well. It pulls water into the intestines and is used to relieve constipation.) Molybdenum is a trace mineral that helps the body utilize forms of Thiamine. Molybdenum supplements are available over the counter. It's not unusual to be low in molybdenum if low in thiamine. I do hope you will add the necessary supplements and try Benfotiamine again. Science-y Explanation of Thiamine Paradox: https://hormonesmatter.com/paradoxical-reactions-with-ttfd-the-glutathione-connection/#google_vignette -
By Wheatwacked · Posted
Your goal is not to be a good puppet, there is no gain in that. You might want to restart the ones that helped. It sounds more like you are suffering from malnutrition. Gluten free foods are not fortified with things like Thiamine (B1), vitamin D, Iodine, B1,2,3,5,6 and 12 as non-gluten free products are required to be. There is a Catch-22 here. Malnutrition can cause SIBO, and SIBO can worsen malnutrition. Another possibility is side effects from any medication that are taking. I was on Metformin 3 months before it turned me into a zombi. I had crippling side effects from most of the BP meds tried on me, and Losartan has many of the side effects on me from my pre gluten free days. Because you have been gluten free, you can test and talk until you are blue in the face but all of your tests will be negative. Without gluten, you will not create the antigen against gluten, no antigens to gluten, so no small intestine damage from the antigens. You will need to do a gluten challange to test positive if you need an official diagnosis, and even then, no guaranty: 10 g of gluten per day for 6 weeks! Then a full panel of Celiac tests and biopsy. At a minimum consider vitamin D, Liquid Iodine (unless you have dermatitis herpetiformis and iodine exasperates the rash), and Liquid Geritol. Push for vitamin D testing and a consult with a nutritionist experienced with Celiack Disease. Most blood tests don't indicate nutritional deficiencies. Your thyroid tests can be perfect, yet not indicate iodine deficiency for example. Thiamine test fine, but not pick up on beriberi. Vegans are often B12 deficient because meat, fish, poultry, eggs, and dairy are the primary souces of B12. Here is what I take daily. 10,000 IU vitamin D3 750 mg g a b a [ ] 200 mg CoQ10 [ ] 100 mg DHEA [ ] 250 mg thiamine B1 [ ] 100 mg of B2 [ ] 500 mg B5 pantothenic acid [ ] 100 mg B6 [ ] 1000 micrograms B12 n [ ] 500 mg vitamin c [ ] 500 mg taurine [ ] 200 mg selenium
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