Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Once Iga Test Is Pos., What's The Point Of Biopsy?


shirleyujest

Recommended Posts

shirleyujest Contributor

Are you assessing the damage that's been done or what? I realize this may be in a book, I have reserved the Green book on Celiac but it hasn't come in yet. Thanks in advance.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



heathen Apprentice

In the strictest medical terms, small bowel biopsy is the "gold standard" for a diagnosis of Celiac disease--which basically means that this is the best test we have currently, and the medical field IN GENERAL will not recognize the diagnosis without a positive biopsy. Of course, some people who really do have Celiac Disease can have a negative biopsy depending on several variables, so it's not a perfect test by any stretch. Ideally, once we get more research and better blood tests that are more sensitive and specific for Celiac Disease, the biopsy will not be as needed and the "gold standard" will change, but this will take time. And you're right--it can give a good indication of the damage that has taken place.

ravenwoodglass Mentor

Heathen gave you a good answer. The choice whether to biopsy or not is yours. As stated the damage can be missed in the biopsy leading to a false negative. There are also changes that are seen before the villi are destroyed that unfortunately not all GI's recognize. There are folks who will not be compliant with the diet without a positive biopsy, a tragedy IMHO if the diet is needed. Some people have also had trouble with insurance companies after a firm biopsy proven diagnosis, not always the case but it has happened. It is very important that you continue on gluten until the biopsy is done if you are going to have one. It is up to you whether you want the procedure or if you just want to go gluten free without one. The relief from symptoms is a good indicator of the need for the diet and after the biopsy you should go strictly gluten free no matter what the biopsy results are. At times the body can give an answer that is better than any of the tests that we currently have available.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - lizzie42 posted a topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      0

      Low iron and vitamin d

    2. - Scott Adams replied to Atl222's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      3

      Increased intraepithelial lymphocytes after 10 yrs gluten-free

    3. - xxnonamexx posted a topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      0

      FDA looking for input on Celiac Gluten sensitivity labeling PLEASE READ and submit your suggestions

    4. - cristiana replied to Atl222's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      3

      Increased intraepithelial lymphocytes after 10 yrs gluten-free

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,211
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    blogcommentsieuviet
    Newest Member
    blogcommentsieuviet
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • lizzie42
      Hi, I posted before about my son's legs shaking after gluten. I did end up starting him on vit b and happily he actually started sleeping better and longer.  Back to my 4 year old. She had gone back to meltdowns, early wakes, and exhaustion. We tested everything again and her ferritin was lowish again (16) and vit d was low. After a couple weeks on supplements she is cheerful, sleeping better and looks better. The red rimmed eyes and dark circles are much better.   AND her Ttg was a 3!!!!!! So, we are crushing the gluten-free diet which is great. But WHY are her iron and vit d low if she's not getting any gluten????  She's on 30mg of iron per day and also a multivitamin and vit d supplement (per her dr). That helped her feel better quickly. But will she need supplements her whole life?? Or is there some other reason she's not absorbing iron? We eat very healthy with minimal processed food. Beef maybe 1x per week but plenty of other protein including eggs daily.  She also says her tummy hurts every single morning. That was before the iron (do not likely a side effect). Is that common with celiac? 
    • Scott Adams
      Celiac disease is the most likely cause, but here are articles about the other possible causes:    
    • xxnonamexx
      Please read: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-steps-improve-gluten-ingredient-disclosure-foods?fbclid=IwY2xjawPeXhJleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFzaDc3NWRaYzlJOFJ4R0Fic3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHrwuSsw8Be7VNGOrKKWFVbrjmf59SGht05nIALwnjQ0DoGkDDK1doRBDzeeX_aem_GZcRcbhisMTyFUp3YMUU9Q
    • cristiana
      Hi @Atl222 As @trents points out, there could be many reasons for this biopsy result.  I am interested to know, is your gastroenterologist concerned?  Also, are your blood tests showing steady improvement over the years? I remember when I had my last biopsy, several years after diagnosis, mine came back with with raised lymphocytes but no villous damage, too! In my own case, my consultant wasn't remotely concerned - in fact, he said I might still get this result even if all I ever did was eat nothing but rice and water.   My coeliac blood tests were still steadily improving, albeit slowly, which was reassuring.
    • trents
      Welcome to the celiac.com community, @Atl222! Yes, your increased lymphocytes could be in response to oats or it could possibly be cross contamination from gluten that is getting into your diet from some unexpected source but not enough to damage the villi. And I'm certain that increased lymphocytes can be caused by other things besides celiac disease or gluten/oats exposure. See attachment. But you might try eliminating oats to start with and possibly dairy for a few months and then seek another endoscopy/biopsy to see if there was a reduction in lymphocyte counts. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.