Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):
  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Meniere's Disease, Gluten, Viruses, Oh My!


Brrrandy

Recommended Posts

Brrrandy Rookie

In high school I got some strange virus, and around the same time I got dizzy for the first time.

In college I got what they called "Mono," and it was the summer after that I had my first major vertigo attack and was diagnosed with Meniere's Disease, which has calmed down (but I still get tinnitus and some fluctuating hearing loss if I drink too much).

Then, skip forward, I had many of the usual tell-tale signs of celiac (brain fog, muscle aches, some anxiety, migraines), went off gluten, and felt frickin' amazing.

I also consistently have had problems with my neck (lots of cracking, aching, pain near ear).

Migraines were fine but have returned after starting birth control.

Are any of these connected? Specifically the Meniere's/Virus/Gluten connection? How? Is there some weird superbug that causes autoimmune disorders? Is there a genetic component? Or am I trying to draw intersections between things that are actually just running parallel? I still feel pretty susceptible to viruses of all kinds. Any advice for how to beef up against these? I'd especially like to read some research or articles if anyone's got anything, but anecdotal evidence is more than welcome, for sure.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Skylark Collaborator

All sorts of viruses can trigger celiac. For me it was flu.

As far as general immunity, mine is better off gluten and on nutritional supplements.

Kim69 Apprentice

About 1 yr before I was dx Coeliac I had vestibular neuritis - very dizzy, vomiting, room spinning! A bit like your virus. I was in hospital ER for two nights while they worked out what was wrong with me.

Brrrandy Rookie

Interesting. Has anyone else familiar with the idea that viruses can trigger Celiac, or why?

Thanks guys!

cyberprof Enthusiast

Interesting. Has anyone else familiar with the idea that viruses can trigger Celiac, or why?

Thanks guys!

I'm not an expert but it's generally accepted that not everyone has celiac from birth. When someone develops it later in life, the cause can possibly be a virus, an operation, pregnancy, stress.

In layman's terms, the virus-trigger theory is that because a virus sets off an immune system response, it causes the immune system to mount a response against the protein in gluten, and thus triggers the body to attack itself. But I'm not sure that this is a medically-proven theory.

Kim69 Apprentice

In high school I got some strange virus, and around the same time I got dizzy for the first time.

In college I got what they called "Mono," and it was the summer after that I had my first major vertigo attack and was diagnosed with Meniere's Disease, which has calmed down (but I still get tinnitus and some fluctuating hearing

loss if I drink too much).

Then, skip forward, I had many of the usual tell-tale signs of celiac (brain fog, muscle aches, some anxiety,

migraines), went off gluten, and felt frickin' amazing.

I also consistently have had problems with my neck (lots of cracking, aching, pain near ear).

Migraines were fine but have returned after starting birth

control.

Are any of these connected? Specifically the Meniere's/Virus/Gluten connection? How? Is there some

weird superbug that causes autoimmune disorders? Is there a genetic component? Or am I trying to draw intersections between things that are actually just running parallel? I still feel pretty susceptible to viruses of all kinds.

Any advice for how to beef up against these? I'd especially like to read some research or articles if anyone's got anything, but anecdotal evidence is more than welcome, for

sure.

Hi brandy. I just noticed you said you had a pain behind the ear? I get an extremely horrible nerve pain in my ear. It is triggered by wind - not every time but most of the time it happens. I changed to cymbalta (an antidepressant) from another AD and have been pleased to note that the pain while still occurring is only faint now.

What is your ear pain like? Or is it related to menieres?

beachbirdie Contributor

Interesting. Has anyone else familiar with the idea that viruses can trigger Celiac, or why?

Thanks guys!

There is some thinking that viruses can trigger many autoimmune conditions, that somehow the body responds to the virus, and when the virus is gone the body turns on itself because the anti-virus thing doesn't turn off The body can't distinguish "self" from "invader" (that's very simplistic but hopefully helpful). That is where it is interesting to have genetic information, because it can add to the information as to how likely it is that someone might get a certain condition...the least likely to get celiac, for example, are those with neither the DQ2 nor DQ8 (not 100%, just least likely).

Certain genes are associated with conditions like MS, lupus, Hashimoto's/Graves diseases, Diabetes Mellitus Type 1. You can Open Original Shared Link about the HLA-DQ associations, you'll have to scroll down the page a bit to find it. There are links for each type, and if you click through those DQ types you will see with which diseases each is associated.

beachbirdie


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



shadowicewolf Proficient

Severe case of the flu did it to me.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - catnapt replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      results from 13 day gluten challenge - does this mean I can't have celiac?

    2. - knitty kitty replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      results from 13 day gluten challenge - does this mean I can't have celiac?

    3. - catnapt replied to catnapt's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      results from 13 day gluten challenge - does this mean I can't have celiac?

    4. - Wheatwacked replied to Jane02's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      13

      Desperately need a vitamin D supplement. I've reacted to most brands I've tried.

    5. - xxnonamexx replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      50

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,369
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Helen1984
    Newest Member
    Helen1984
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.6k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      @catnapt,  I'm sorry you're having such a rough time.   How much wheat germ and how much gluten were you eating? Lectins in beans can be broken down by pressure cooking them.  Do you pressure cook your beans?  Were you pressure cooking your wheat germ? What drugs are you taking?  Some immunosuppressive drugs affect IgA production.  Do you have anemia?
    • catnapt
      oops my gluten challenge was only 12 days It started Jan 21s and ended Feb 1st   worst 12 days of my life   Does not help that I also started on a thiazide-like drug for rule in/out renal calcium leak at the exact same time No clue if that could have been symptoms worse 🤔
    • Wheatwacked
      Welcome to the forum @Known1, What reaction were you expecting? Pipingrock.com High Potency Vitamin D3, 2000 IU, 250 Quick Release Softgels $6.89 I've have been taking the 10,000 IU for close to 10 years. When I started with vitamin D I worked my way up to 10000 over several weeks.  Even at 8000 I felt no noticeable difference.  Then after a few days at 10000 it hit Whoa, sunshine in a bottle.  celiac disease causes malabsorption of dietary D and you've poor UV access.  It took me from 2015 to 2019 to get my 25(OH)D just to 47 ng/ml.  Another two years to get to 80.  70 to 100 ng/ml seems to be the body's natural upper homeostasis  based on lifeguard studies.  Dr. Holick has observed the average lifeguard population usually has a vitamin D 3 level of around 100 ng/ml. Could it be that our normal range is too low given the fact that ¾ or more of the American population is vitamin D deficient? Your Calcium will increase with the vitamin D so don't supplement calcium unless you really need it.  Monitor with PTH  and 25(OH)D tests. Because of your Marsh 3 damage you need to ingest way more than the RDA of any supplement to undo your specific deficiencies. I believe you are in the goiter belt.  Unless you have reason not to, I recommend pipingrock's Liquid Iodine for price and quality.  The RDA is 150 to 1100 mcg.  In Japan the safe upper level is set at 3000 mcg.  Start with one drop 50 mcg to test for adverse response and build up.  I found 600 mcg (12 drops) a day is helping repair my body.  Iodine is necessary to healing.  90% of daily iodine intake is excreted in urine.  A Urine Iodine Concentration (UIC) can tell how much Iodine you got that day.  The thyroid TSH test will not show iodine deficiency unless it is really bad.  
    • xxnonamexx
      I don't know if I am getting sufficient Omega Threes. I read about  phosphotidyl choline may cause heart issues. I will have o do further research on heathy Omega 3 supplements or from foods. Is there a blood test that can tell you everything level in your system such as Thiamine, Benfotiamine levels etc? Thanks
    • catnapt
      If lectins were my problem, I would react to wheat germ (the highest source of wheat lectins) and beans. I don't. I only react to bread and pasta, which are the highest sources of gluten. Therefore, my issue is wheat-specific (Gluten/ATIs), not a general lectin issue.   I have eaten a supposedly high lectin diet (I say supposedly because lectin content in these foods is greatly reduced by proper cooking and I eat very few of those foods raw, and even then, rarely!!) for years. My health has improved greatly on my whole foods plant forward diet. I have asked all my drs and a registered dietician about my diet, asked if eating such a high amnt of fiber might interfere with the digestion of any other nutrients and the answer has always been NO.     while doing the gluten challenge I did not eat ANY wheat germ (since it doesn't have hardly any gluten, and I was too sick from the bread and pasta to want to eat much anyway) I will NOT put that poison in my body again. That was a horrific experience and if this is what most celiac patients have to deal with, I am very sorry for them I don't care if I have celiac or NCGS I won't intentionally cause myself that much pain and suffering it's not worth it.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.