Jump to content
  • You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

Would You Call This "undiagnosed Celiac"?


Staceyshoe

Recommended Posts

Staceyshoe Apprentice

My oldest son has had digestive issues his whole life (severe esophagal inflammation as an infant/toddler and frequent unexplained stomach pain as a child). He's 6 and lost 3 lbs earlier this year despite a very healthy appetite--which puts his BMI at around the 3rd percentile. We have realized that there's a family history of celiac, though no one else has been tested. Here's a quick run-down of his current situation:

*has a very potent genetic subtype for developing celiac disease (subtype 2.5).

*never had Vit D, iron, or other nutrient levels tested.

*is IGA deficient

*TTG IGA is the only celiac level taken on blood test but was inconclusive since he's IGA deficient (TTG IGA was 5)

*scope in April 2011 was negative for celiac while on gluten

*went gluten-free for 10 weeks with one accidental exposure to trace gluten without reaction. Mysterious stomach pain disappeared while gluten-free. Gluten challenge after gluten-free diet was an utter failure--horrible stomach cramps and serious diarrhea. No weight gain during gluten-free period (granted, it was a short period of time).

Obviously, he does have a sensitivity to gluten. Would you consider this "celiac disease" or not?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



ravenwoodglass Mentor

It does sound like it. If he is still on gluten can your doctor run a full panel? Another thing is that some doctors will give a diagnosis if the person recovers well on the diet and is made ill when gluten is injested. You could talk to your doctor about that possibility.

gfreelady Newbie

Your sons body would say its celiac, trust it. Drs are ignorant when it comes to this, they diagnose ibs or suggest therapy. Listen to your gut and your sons gut.

Skylark Collaborator

Negative scope suggests gluten intolerance rather than celiac, though you can't be sure without the proper blood tests. Thing is, gluten intolerance can make him every bit as sick as celiac. He's also got a lot of celiac disease risk with the low IgA and DQ2.5. Gluten intolerance may be a predecessor or early stage of celiac disease in DQ2.5 folks anyway, and even if he's not celiac now he might be in ten years if you keep feeding him gluten.

mommida Enthusiast

Celiac alone should not show esophagial damage. (Unless there was severe vommiting from gluten ingestion.) Was there an eosinophil count taken from tissue samples of the esophagus? Were any of theses terms used to describe the esophagus... imflammation, furrowed, schataki ring, or strictures? Did you get to see pictures from the endoscopy? The imflammation can make it look like a pink puffed doughnut, but were there any cream speckles or free form blobs of cream colored areas. Was there patches of blood? Or search Eosinophilic esophagitus. This would have been easily missed because it is only recently becoming known and getting diagnosed.

My daughter was diagnosed as "probable" Celiac when she was 17 months old with a positive blood test and genetic testing. She was too ill to have the endoscopy with biopsy at the time as she was hospitalized with dehydration for 4 days.

When she was 6 it seemed as if all the glutening symptoms were back except she was vommitting about 5-6 times a day (like GERD), saying her whole stomach hurt, dark circles under the eyes, headaches, no wight gain and was starting to lose weight, and her hair was starting to fall out. She was then diagnosed with Eosinophilic Esophagitus.

A gluten intolerance seems very likely in your son's case, but make sure you have ruled out numerous other illnesses. Keep a food journal. Now this is also a possible part of the puzzle, do you remember what season symptoms started in? (Yes I do mean spring, summer, fall, winter.) Does your son still have his tonsils? Are they enlarged? Is there any speckles on them? Does he have bad breath?

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      134,086
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      10,442

    Joseph01
    Newest Member
    Joseph01
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.7k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Aretaeus Cappadocia
      Sigh. I posted this yesterday based on the Safeway website. I went back again today to their website to double check. On the page where they are selling Vanilla Bean flavor, it has a distinct Certified Gluten Free label. Other flavors on the Safeway website didn't have the gluten-free statement. Today I went into the store. None of the flavors I looked at, including Vanilla Bean, have a Gluten Free statement. Is it safe? Who knows. The ingredients are either safe or nearly safe (some have "natural flavor"). There are warnings about "contains milk and soy" but not about wheat - this implies they are safe, but again, who knows. On the other hand, every flavor I checked of their Slow Churn line of ice creams has wheat as an ingredient. 100% not safe.
    • knitty kitty
      Do keep in mind that many of the newly diagnosed have lactose intolerance.  This is because the villi lining the intestinal tract are damaged, and can no longer make the enzyme lactAse which breaks down the milk sugar lactOse.  When the villi grow back (six months to two years), they can again produce the enzyme lactAse, and lactose intolerance is resolved.  However, some people (both those with and without Celiac Disease) are genetically programmed to stop producing lactase as they age.   Do be aware that many processed foods, including ice cream, use Microbial Transglutaminase, a food additive commonly called "meat glue," used to enhance texture and flavor.  This microbial transglutaminase has the same immunogenicity as tissue transglutaminase which the body produces in response to gluten in people with Celiac Disease.  Tissue Transglutaminase (tTg IgA) is measured to diagnose Celiac Disease in blood tests.  Microbial Transglutaminase acts the same as Tissue Transglutaminase, causing increased intestinal permeability and inflammation.   New findings show that microbial transglutaminase may be able to trigger Celiac Disease and other autoimmune and neurodegenerative diseases.   Microbial Transglutaminase is not required to be listed on ingredients labels as it's considered a processing aid, not an ingredient in the U.S.  Microbial Transglutaminase has been GRAS for many years, but that GRAS standing is being questioned more and more as the immunogenicity of microbial transglutaminase is being discovered. Interesting Reading:  Microbial Transglutaminase Is a Very Frequently Used Food Additive and Is a Potential Inducer of Autoimmune/Neurodegenerative Diseases https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8537092/
    • Aretaeus Cappadocia
      There is a 10 year old post in this forum on Edy's and Dreyer's ice cream. The information is somewhat outdated and the thread is closed to further comment, so here is a new one. Edy's And Dreyer's Grand Vanilla Bean Ice Cream - 1.5 Quart is labeled "Gluten Free". This is a different answer than years gone by. I don't know the answer for any other flavor at this moment. On 1 May, 2026, Edy's website says: "As a general rule, the gluten in Edy's and Dreyer's® frozen dessert products is present only in the added bakery products, such as cookies, cake or brownies. We always label the eight major food allergens on our package by their common name. We recommend to always check the label for the most current information before purchasing and/or consuming a product. The exception to this rule is our Slow Churned French Silk frozen dairy dessert, which contains gluten in the natural flavors." https://www.icecream.com/us/en/brands/edys-and-dreyers/faq It seems that Edy's and Dreyer's are more celiac-friendly than they were 10 years ago. Once I found enough information to make today's buying decision, I stopped researching.
    • Aretaeus Cappadocia
      probably not your situation @Mimiof2, but allow me to add one more to @trents list of celiac-mimics: "olmesartan-induced sprue-like enteropathy"  
    • knitty kitty
      My dad had an Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm.  Fortunately, it was discovered during an exam.  The doctor could feel my dad's heart beating in his stomach/abdomen.  The aneurysm burst when the doctor first touched it in surgery.  Since he was already hooked up to the bypass machine, my dad survived ten more years.  Close call! Triple A's can press on the nerves in the spinal cord causing leg pain.  I'm wondering if bowing the head might have increased the pressure on an aneurysm and then the nerves.   https://gulfcoastsurgeons.com/understanding-abdominal-aortic-aneurysm-symptoms-and-causes/ Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm Presenting as a Claudication https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4040638/
×
×
  • Create New...