gfp

I think there are two seperate issues:

Firstly is if the fries are truly gluten-free, very low gluten-free or not .... if you are talking about a chain then this is usually consistent and everyone can read the disclaimers and publicity.

Secondly is CC. One McDo might be careful and another not.. same with BK... its really all down to the manager and the staff. Do they drop onions rings in or not is probably something individual to each franchise.

Any FF resto is by definition rushed and chaotic.

The completely unrelated issue is a bit of a pain, I could say why eat FF burger joints at all but being celiac tends to cut down other options like Subway....

I am not totally sure why I had the test run twice. I think because it was ordered by a PA - and perhaps my actual doctor didn't get the results, or whatever.

But, I had the Celiac panel run two times, 21 days apart. My results were very interesting. The only numbers I have, from the 2nd panel, are the IgA and IgG. But, after going gluten-free, those numbers dropped.

On 7.6 - IgA was 6 - supposed to be less than 11, on 7.27 - it was 5.

On 7.6 - IgG was 69 - supposed to be less than 20. On 7.27 - it was 47.

On 7.6 - I started eating a gluten free diet.

So, with the numbers dropping after being gluten-free.... I'm assuming that is a clinical positive response. The dietary response has been great.

Is this my "proof?"

I'm seeing a GI on the 22nd. Obviously, I'll be taking both sets of test results. =)

It looks like you should have had a TgA since you appear you may be deficient in IgA making that part of the test invalid. This is possibly why they reran the test because the IgG and IgA are conflicting but that they didn't measure TgA possibly indicated they are a bit clueless.

I think it depends on whether you're intolerant of lactose or casein. If it is the casein (protein), then no. That is permanent. If it was lactose (sugar), then you might be ok once the villi grow back. Maybe... if you create the enzyme to digest it.

Pretty much what I was going to post ....

I think even with casein I have mild reactions but if I'm otherwise healthy I can put up with them.

The effect is nowhere near as strong as gluten for me but I do get awfully bunged up....

If you end up with a sinus infection or similar then this can be a real pain but otherwise is mostly an annoyance.

I have been eating gluten, wheat, soy and chocolate free for 2 weeks now

If this isn't a typo:

Why blame the safe food - I would think that the 'safe food' is pretty irrelevant in this. You have been eating gluten and it has built up, if you were gluten-free before then it takes a certain amount of time for the damage to build up and start some of the peripheral symptoms. (I feel sick, body ache, etc. )

From Vincents link

A 0.3 g/kg body weight/day of single gluten challenge causes immunological changes (cellular immunity) in the intestine (J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr 1989; 9:176-180) in patients on a gluten-free diet, however, the serological response is much slower.

Our recommendation is to ingest at least 0.3 g/kg/day of gluten for two months prior to the serological tests. However, if somebody experiences symptoms during the gluten challenge we recommend to perform serological tests earlier.

However if they have been eating random gluten outside then this will affect that too.

The question is really one of cost.... you could send off NOW... and bear in mind it might be a false negative BUT knowing you will be able to take them off gluten now if its positive. I would guess most insurance companies would not be happy testing now then again if its negative.

You could make them gluten free 100% for 2-3 months (no outside gluten) and then take the second paragraph .. that is as soon as you have positive reaction wait 2-3 days to a week then have a blood test.

Its all a compromise in the end.

There is a completely seperate illness which is reasonably common within bakers from breathing in the flour which is unrelated to celiac disease. However if you have celiac disease as well then any particualates you breath in above a certain threshhold are transported via the mucous into the digestive system.

The bakers can often eat gluten if they do not have celiac disease as well

However even preparing non gluten-free flours you are going to breath in enough to potentially trigger an immune reaction if you have celiac disease. It is practically impossible to mix flour and not have it floating around the air or find its way into your mouth. If you do it you will get contaminated sometime.

The situation that progressive doctors are in is a little like someone in aincient Rome coming up with the idea that lead water pipes are bad for health.

People just don't want to know and it goes against much of what is viewed as being a 'civilised' society.

Of course we can look back now and be horrified that the Romans not only thought lead was harmelss but necassary for civilisation.

Our society has grown up with sandwiches and burgers buns etc. and most convenience food being wheat based so we view the all-night deli or drive through fast food as something we define as a standard of civilisation.

Whenever someone suggests, hey 1/3 of people might actually be adversely affected by a common protein like gluten there is a huge backlash .... Dr. Fine and others face an uphill battle largely due to peers who choose not to read the studies that have been made and instead seek to maintain the status quo.

That's too funny about the crossword puzzle...so I can do the crossword for 2 hours instead of walk for 1? I can just see crossword puzzle classes popping up at small boutique gyms across the country. Hysterical!

I was really just trying to point out how innefficient walking is as a way to burn calories but seriously it wouldn't be a bad thing to encourage people to exersize thier mind as well. Heck the most efficeint weay to burn calories is to be really depressed and worried... divorce or death of a loved one can both shed pounds but are hardly recommended. I'm not knocking walking I love walking but its not an efficient way to loose calories...

In this case then I'd say (tongue in cheek) that spend the 2 hours doing crosswords etc. then 1 hr square dancing or tennis! Stimulate the mind and the body then something fun for the soul...

I agree with Robbin,

You are really lucky (you might be confused right now but you are).

Many of us spent years trying to find out what was wrong, being passed off as hypochondriac's etc. and then subjected to gluten trials... and poinltess biopsies and your Dr. is missing out on all this unnesassary expense and discomfort.

It might not seem lucky right now but in a few weeks, at most months you will be feeling like a new person.

I think the problem is she thinks she is doing the 'right thing'.

Refusing paid advertising is obviously going to cost money and people don't do that without at least believing they are doing good. Hence I think an appropriate response might be along those lines that :

1) If it can be adsorbed or not it can certainly be ingested ... from the skin.

2) A blanket statement saying it can't be adsorbed is certainly wrong since although it might not be very much it is being applied to a large area AND in the case of body creames etc. it is being repeatedly applied so a little will gradually build up and at the end of the day isn't safer better than sorry later?

As for being rude.... I suggest keeping this as a seperate issue!

I went to see a band at a free concert.

So I took along a marinaded chicken sandwich, chicken breast marinaded in cajun spices with homemade mayo, artichokes and zuccini cooked in olive oil and garlic with the bread (semi cooked gluten-free bagette) cooked with olive oil soaked with garlic and basil washed down with 2 bottles of white burgundy.

.... and the concert wasn't bad either

its interesting you say that cos when i first tol her i had celiac the first thing she said after " what s that" was well you didnt get if from me it was probably your father that gave you that. maybe she does think that i bame her ( i dont).

thats a good one, i think i will use the truck idea to explain it to her, and thanx cos it explained it to me as well cos i didnt understand iether.

If your mother doesn't smoke you could invest in a packet of cigarettes and ask her to finish them in one go before you talk about celiac disease further. (it could even be virtual)

Obviously she won't .... but the point is many people smoke 60 a day .... of course its damaging them but the reaction is not the same as a non smoker sitting down and smoking 60 in a run.

The body learns how to get rid of the toxin, its still damaging but a non smoker will throw up....

The comment on you didn't get it from me is a bit telling but I suspect she is rather scared herself.

So if she smokes 60 a day you will eat 3 slices of bread a day for the biopsy!

I think she probably has other guilt for feeding you all the bread thinking it was good for you....

A long time ago now I went to my mothers before diagnosis but when I had figured out for myself wheat made me ill. My mother always insisted of thick pie crusts and a meal isn't a meal without bread and gravy. (Lancs) ...

One Christmas I was really ill, migrane, double vision etc. etc. on top of the D and GERD and I ended up knocking over a glass of wine (I literally couldn't see ... everything was all fuzzy and bright lights and I had sunk enough coedine to kill a horse)

She have me this huge lecture about how I was doing it for attention and you can't be allergic to wheat and .... (I tuned out at this point)

Before she was diagnoised she got severe GERD, indeed unsuprising with the genetics her symptoms were identical to mine .. then she got vertigo etc. but still wouldn't admit the possibility of wheat beig the cause ... onions... garlic anything she could taste but not wheat.

At this point she was confined to bed mainly and eventually apologised over the accusation (I mainly just said the GERD and headaches) .. and eventually I tricked her Dr. into doing a coeliac blood test.

She went through all the guilt stuff about feeding me formula as a baby, making me eat bread and cakes etc. for a while.

Hope this helps

-- they want you to enter the values for all the foods - what's the point, then?

Sometimes just being forced to look something up can be a good prompt

I buy Isernio's Chicken breakfast sausage. I freeze ALL my meat and put it into the cooler, with ice, frozen. I even cook hamburgers ahead and freeze them, then just need to reheat them on the grill. I've never had a problem with anything spoiling. We usually go for 5 days and 4 nights. By the last night I do play it safe and we eat lentil soup that comes dehydrated. We've done longer trips in the past and taken more dehydrated food, but if you're close to somewhere with ice you can keep buying more and replenishing your cooler.

The other 'secret' with coolers is don't leave them open any longer than necassary. OK, its not a 'secret' as such but I think in general the importance is often overlooked and we keep wanting to check-up which just accelerates this. If you avoid opening the bag to check it lasts much longer... if you are worried then you can stick a small thermometer in the bag. When you open the cooler make as little disturbance as possible ... try and arrange the stuff in the order you want it and just if possible unzip a little and stick your hand in to retreive.

The second tip is the larger the ice-block the longer it will last. A 1kg block of ice will last much longer then 1kg of ice cubes. Usually a mix of the two is best with like a 1l coke bottle full of ice and packed ice around ...

Thirdly make sure everything is deep frozen to start off including the coolers themselves. Preferably left overnight in the freezer packed and with the lid seperate.

Use a flexible freezer bag... inside a hard cooler... put the big ice bottle and the stuff for the last days inside this at the bottom.

Remember keeping the stuff cool is the aim, it doesn't need to stay frozen till the last day.

That is a great Idea!!!

I am a computer tech and I never thought of that I have a flash keychain all ready. I could have one of those medical alert charms glued to it. I have a bad reaction to anasesia (sp). I almost died thie fist time I had surgry. I like to wearing braceletts and neckleces. but I can put that on my keyring and have it with me all the time. Thanks for that great info.

Jodele

I keep my passport and other stuff on mine.

3 yrs ago on vacation I lost my wallet with ID, driving license and everything ... I found a internet cafe and printed out the relevant stuff and my bank details, photo ID etc. and my girlfriend who had previously laughed at the idea asked for one for her birthday.

Adding medical info is a great idea.... perhaps for kids a simple bracelet as well which says medical detials on USB key???

Additionally, I think Kristi Mackay did the right thing by leaving. She garnered press attention for a problem that needs attention.

Catherine

Good point.

The problem with this sort of thing is simply that organisers can always hide behind "But what if it contained alcohol or drugs" and the counter argument is from a diabetic standpoint ... but I need my drugs!

I think its one of those situations that has pro's and con's and the unfortunate thing is that even if the good reasons outweigh the bad money grabbers will always be swung in the final case by mulching more money off us.....

I recently had a similar problem at a charity dinner (€80 or about $100 a ticket) and attended with no intention of eating the meal whatever.....

I got stopped with 4 cans of cider... (this is a 6 hour event) .. sealed .... because I knew in advance there would be nothing I could drink at the bar. Luckily I knew the organiser ... but that's not really the point.

Why try and wring every last penny? It just gets more people miffed and ruins the night... on top of the $200 I already paid for tickets i would have bidded in the auctions and stuff but i was so ruffled after the hassle I refused so they lost out.....

I mean they had a band .. quite a famous one but one I could actually get to come round to my appartment if they'd fit .(i know most of them socially). some food which by all accounts was rubbish anyway and a free glass of chapange (which I don't drink, especially on an empty stomach)

This is not even really touching the issue of it being a charity thing.... if someone is smuggling in a 6 pack they are probably doing it to save money after paying the entrance fee. A bit of charity starts at home wouldn't hurt in these cases either!

What is/are smoking beagles?

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Its not that I am 100% animal testing, certinly not for something to cure cancer but this is the pointless sort of experiment... in a vain attempt to prove smoking doesn't cause respitory diseases.... I fail to see the point... Testing some kid for 7 yrs just to get a result of damaging his villi falls into the same category for me.

Thanks gfp, I really appreciate the time you've taken to reply; some sound advice that I would never have thought of - yes, if I follow this advice it could save me lots of heartache (not to mention stomach-ache!!)

Have a good weekend, Deb

You probably would ... just slowly and after wasting a lot of time like most of us.

When I started off I was optimistic ... I figured I'd be a borderline case.... be able do do oats etc. and dist the bread of a burger. I quickly realised the big stuff like the bread on a burger can't be wiped off but little things kept biting me back! The problem is this is just when you don't need it.... when we are at our most confused and vulnerable and being glutened on top of that can be horrid not to mention introducing doubts about diagnosis and stuff.

I'm sure its confusing right now but I promise it gets easier and easier ... most of us old hands have to give ourselves a pinch every so often because it becomes so second nature we tend to get careless. This might sound weird but I can scan products in seconds, it becomes second nature ... and automatically guess what is a good bet to read the label and what is not.

Lots of stubborn people like me suffered without needing to for a few months and I wish someone had convinced me at diagnosis to start clean and then see what you can eat and not do what I tried and start incrementally cutting obvious, then less obvious things out. It takes so much longer that after 6 months I started afresh totally clean .. 6 months wasted ....

There are 3 groups of food I classify:

1) Generally risk free: Which is all fresh fruit/veg and meats, herbs and whole spices etc.

3) Is things obviouskly out like bread and pasta.. pizza and cakes and biscuits....

Group 2 is the gotcha group....

All non special gluten-free soy sauce is made with 50% wheat ... I mean its hardly obvious is it.. so this then extends to any cook in sauce type thing with soy sauce in it! Thankfully labelling is much clearer now

Then wheat derivatives are used in lots of strange places... the dextrose (sugar) is used in many cooked hams and sliced chicken.... you wouldn't think it but there are so many places it can hide.

In the US most (or all at last count) dextrose and maltodextrose was from corn.. in the UK much of it is wheat derived .... this is the longest list... by far and most prepared foods are suspect. Even the UK definition of gluten-free is suspect because its an old standard from the WHO which states 200ppm or below hence always check for wheat free as well.

Analyses vary in quality ... the human body is way more sensitive than the common tests .... hence why I say once you are gluten-free for a while you will know really quickly when you slipped up.... sweats, headaches and a feeling we call brain-fog.... but you have to really experience this to appreciate it.... and sometimes others will spot it in us....

This is why I really urge you to be 100% and stick to absolute certainties at first. Its logical but most of us do the reverse because it seems easier... honestly its not.

Good luck and good weekend

I'm currently enjoying some Cinnamon & Sultana cookies. Pretty good. The pasta is decent, but not nearly on the level of Tinkyada (do they have Tinkyada in Australia ? ). I've also tried the instant tomato soup, which left me feeling quite sick all night, but I don't think it was a gluten issue. Oh yeah, and I tried a can of the spagetti-o things. I didn't think they were bad at all.

Falafel mix...mmmm...that I'll be on the look out for

I'd love to try the tinkyada

One thing in general for gluten-free pasta is cooking time is critical.... with 'real'pasta you get a bit of lassitude with the timing but 10 seconds can turn gluten-free pasta from al-dente to a mush.

Each shape is different but I use the cooking time on the packets.. when I put them in storage jars I always cut off the cooking info and stick it in the jar then 1/4 of the time before start prodding/tasting etc. then as its just almost al-dente whip it out .. it will keep cooking in its own heat for a while and shake off the water which is holding in heat.

I find that different brands have different characteristics so if you are used to tinkyada then it might take adjustment ???

It's both easy and hard. What makes it easy is that only four foods have gluten - wheat, barley, rye, and oats. So, you can eat anything else and be fine. What makes it hard is that anything that has a bunch of ingredients is likely to have one of those in them.

So, the easiest, safest thing to do is to eat whole, naturally gluten-free foods. Fresh produce, meats, and dairy. Eat all the fresh fruit, vegetables, milk/cheese (if you can handle dairy), fresh meats, eggs, beans, and rice you want. Use pure oils (like olive and canola) and pure spices to season your foods.

Yes, this means more cooking, but it is the safest way to avoid hidden glutens in labels. But it also leads to the concern of contamination in the kitchen, and you'll need to be careful of anything that shares gluten containing ingredients - including getting a dedicated toaster and not sharing things like peanut butter jars or butter.

Gotta agree!

If I could give a single bit of advice to a new coeliac it would be worded even more strongly than this.

The problem is many of us here gradually realised this and spent ages learning and making mistakes ....

My best advice is don't eat ANYTHING with wheat or gluten ... and this includes the "gluten-free" stuff you get with modified wheat starch, indeed try and forget anything like gluten-free pasta or bread for the first weeks.

The more gluten-free you are the faster you see results .... the faster you clean out your system which in effect ha been building up for years the faster your villi heal.

Many of us had initial problems just because the villi are so badly damaged and many people find milk and soy irritants... BUT many people then find they can reintroduce them especially once we are healed and able to cope.

I know this sounds really restrictive BUT its not after 2 weeks you hardly notice but.. don't buy anything in a packet/tin/jar with ANYTHING you are not sure about. At first its really hard to tell ....especially if its a trace of gluten but it can set your whole recovery back weeks.

Once you reach a comfortable plateau you will FEEL the difference ... I promise... not overnight but you will probably look back and reconise lots of annoying symptoms you never connected that go away like headaches, mood swings and stuff.... please if you can just trust us on this .... read posts about brain fog and other symptoms and many of us started off as lot as you....

When you reach the plateau you can experiment ... for instance you can try new foods, gluten-free breads and stuff which might have CC or 200 ppm ... most of us here find we can't eat it or can't eat it regualrly but once you are on this plateax you will know really quickly if you make a mistake (and we all do) and with time it FEELS different... but also the recovery time is much much less.....

I know this sounds hard but it really isn't, its just a change of habits ... we have all done it and most of us started off badly because noone said this at the beginning ... infact poor nutritionists can really set you back because they tend to have outdated material and until you get more experience its hard to tell a good one from a bad one ...

read about cross contamination... if you possibly can make your whole kitchen gluten-free.... if you don't you will have an accident sooner or later ... we all did!

Family support is a real boon... Your family and those you live with need to realise this and support you. I crumb will set you back... and especially early on you can go from being poisioned by a crumb here and CC there and never really get better. Its crucial to have full support of ANYONE using the kitchen .. including pets who might have dog biscuits etc. .. avoid handling anything with gluten .. it sounds extreme but many of us have to make a mental switch and view it as a supertoxic poision... not something you want to be around.

and finally.. you will make mistakes ... we all do and did. Try not to let them get you down... get that family support if you can and come and moan here if you need.. we understand!

This thread makes me sad on many levels...

This was a good book. I'd recommend it. I learned a lot of good info from it. To discount it because of the biopsy portion is a bit short-sighted.

My doctor can't know everything...but neither can I. We are both responsible for my continued good health.

I think its kinda a two parter.

Yes the rest of the book might be good and certainly you can't expect every Dr. to know everything BUT this is one issue that really gets under many peoples skin.

My reasoning is celiac disease is so hard because its so rarely diagnosed and recognised. If the true rate of 1:100-1:200 was diagnosed then things would be significantly easier for us. I can base this on my recent trip to Italy where noone looked at me like I just sprouted horns and a tail when i asked for senza glutine ....

IMHO this is in now way independent of the biopsy as a gold gold standard for diagnosis.

No way will everyone be screened by biopsy ever, its too expensive and invasive and requires poisioning the patient.

Simialrly there are many pre-celiac disease (sensu strictu) in terms of full biopsy celaics excluded from various things like insurance or etc. not to mention added premiums for diagnosed etc. etc. WHY .. because we the diagnosed are taking the hit for the ones who are not and are 'wasting' the insurers money that WE pay premiums for.

If you had the same incidence of diagnosed celiac disease as Italy this would be VERY different. So what does Italy do.... it screens with blood tests on every child. Very little point in a biopsy at 3-4 yrs snce one of the only real benefits of the biopsy is to check for cancer or other damage and the kids don't need this unless they don't improve on a gluten-free diet.

Seriously, imagine walking to a resto and getting gluten-free beer or an ice-cream in a gluten-free conekmore or less anywhere.

The second objection is moral: The biopsy or aim for positive results is only achievable by deliberatly damaging a major organ which may repair or may never repair fully. I find this morally reprehensible inthe extreme. I once read a case study from a Norwegain Dr. who spent 7 years to get a positive biopsy from some poor kid and then had the poor taste to publish! 7 years of repeated gluten challenges... if I had my way this Dr. would not only be struck off but imprisoned for deliberate and repeatedly poisioning a patient to no end except HIS curiosity. If you read the article its sickening (I'll try and find it again) as it describes how the poor kid got iller and iller each challenge.. at any time the Dr could have stopped .. admitted it was non symptomatic and still said celiac but he didn't... he pushed on for 7 years.. 7 years that poor kid will NEVER have again.... and the aim of the study was to actually damage the kids intestine enough for positive biopsy. I have enough problems with smoking beagles but I honestly find this almost as sick as goebells experiments.

Secondly the biopsy totally dismisses the possibility of non intenstinal symptoms.... many of us know beyond any doubt we get other sysptoms that dissapear gluten-free.

So i think the biopsy part carries an overriding component many of us .... it could be an excellent book otherwise BUT this one sticking point I think many of us find we are unable accept because of the general misinformation it spreads. I honestly beleive that the biopsy gold standard is the single biggest hurdle to celiac research. Having an authoritive book support it is IMHO a bad thing regardless of the good done in the rest of the book....

I don't think it's productive (or kind) to respond with "...is a mindless thing to say." That kind of language just shuts down dialogue.

I honestly don't think its hepful to state categorically walking is the best way or "Biking doesn't really help with weight loss as you tend to coast more thus not burning any calories."

I was a bit tired at the time and posting before bed so I was perhaps more brief and less diplomatic than I should have been but both statements are both plain wrong and "Biking doesn't really help with weight loss as you tend to coast more thus not burning any calories." shows a complete lack of any thought put into the post.

You can say the same for any exersize from swimming to running to the only one which is effective; apparently walking ....

So sorry if I was a bit short and rude or unkind but honestly that sort of illinformed and not thought-out post doesn't really help anyone.

As Vincent pointed out earlier... most Americans (not necassarily representative on this board) would benefit from 30 mins walking and cutting out junk food. I agree but I don't think that is a healthy regime, its simply the absolute minimum you can do and expect to be halfway active in retirement.

In my experience (and I have done a lot of training and teaching of this) the biggest barrier to most people getting properly fit is they think that they personally can't be fit. I had one particualr job where I had lots of computer tech's, radio operators and accountants (seriously) who had to be brought up to field fitness to work in active war zones. Barring physcial disability, weak hearts etc. there is almost noone cannot be fit to the point of being able to run and finish in a repsectable time a 10k race. Some people have to work harder than others ... but the main barrier is simply people thinking that its unattainable. Yes it takes work.. yes it needs discipline and dedication but the absolute biggest barrier to most people and ironically those who need it the most is simply to realise that it is attainable for them.

Setting a goal of 1 hr walking a day is not a useful goal....

Ditto. I'm not looking for a personal trainer. If I have to go into that much detail and spend that much time doing it, then forget it. I have a life outside of running, walking, and biking. I'm not a professional athlete, just a middle-sged woman trying to shed a few pounds. Please do not belittle what I do.

Then you are missing the point or I'm making it badly. If you have say 1 hr a day spare then its much more productive to use it in a higher calory burning and more stimulating exersize. The real problem with walking as a sole exersize is that it leaves no progression, especially if time is restricted.

You can start off with 1 hr at 3 mph and move up to 1hr at 5mph but then its a dead end if you only have 1 hr.

If you use a step machine/cycle/rowing machine you can increase the resistance and you will progress much further before you hit a dead end on 1 hr. Moreover your body is put into a state whereby it burns calories.

This is not to mention but exersizing doesn't need to stop your social life. Most gyms I know have very active social circles and the trick is to make the gym (or cycling or ....) part of your social life. Dancing is a good exersize and social!

If I have to go into that much detail and spend that much time doing it, then forget it.

You don't need to ... but the rewards are exponential. What I am trying to illustrate is the fact EVERYONE has the potential.... and the last few % of effort give the most dramatic results and allow you to do more things without realising its exersize. For instance when you are unfit 5 flights of stairs is a heck of a challenge... if you spend your 1 hr a day on a step machine then 5 flights of stairs is a breeze. I live on the 3rd floor and rarely use the elevator ... it doesn't really take ANY extra time (its a real old slow elevator) but I get 3 flights of stairs extra exersize without changing anything in my lifestyle.

If you look at the figures for walking you see the calories burned go up rapidly above a theshhold.

When you get fitter then vacuuming can be an exersize.... the difference between pushing it over the carpet and making it into an exersize probably doubles the calories.... if you golf then don't use a caddy or worse still a golf cart ... etc. etc.

I honestly think everyone should spend an hour working out a day even if this is vacuuming or towelling vigerously. Its an absolute minimum to expect to lead an active retirement and it gets harder and harder the closer to retirement you start.

The point is if you do want to both loose weight and get fit and your time is limited then you should try and use it in the most efficient way. This involves some real hard exersize supplimented by making everyday things into exersize.

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Walking in a park at moderate speed burns 130kCal/hr .. this sounds OK until you compare this to driving in heavy traffic at 120 or

Busily cleaning house, doing laundry, hanging clothes outside on clothesline, going up and down stairs, cleaning refrigerator, picking up clothes (doing a lot of bending over and picking up items) which is the same at 130 kCal/hr!

*Swimming for pleasure, no time limits, no stress. This can only be considered aerobic if it is continuous for 20 - 30 minutes without stopping at your THR (as I said 15 mins is 3 steps forward and 2 back!)

Tennis, Doubles, Square Dancing: 350 per hour

So really you can't say joining a square dancing group isn't social! But its nearly 3x the efficiency of walking.

But the real shocker is Reading, Watching TV, Sitting (some brain activity) 75 per hour is over half of moderate walking..... and this is the real point.

Do you spend an hour doing something double the efficiency of sitting at a desk or watching TV or 5x-6x ? or even 10x

*Bicycycling, (12 - 14 mph) (working at your THR for 20 - 30 minutes without stopping) 530 per hour

*Stairclimbing in a gym, 125 - 140 sets of stairs (10 stairs to a set) (working at your THR for 20 - 30 minutes without stopping) 600 per hour

*Exercising using an Elliptial Rider or Rowing Machine, (working at your THR for 20 - 30 minutes without stopping) 850 per hour

Source: Compiled by Helen Ann, Public Health Educator using various health education resources including Utah State University textbooks

So the real question is if you only have 1 hr to exersize should you spend it doing something which burns the same calories as vigerous housework or something burning 6.5x as many calories AND stimulating your whole metabolism.

This is why casual walking is such a bad way to loose weight if you think its the BEST way. You can actually get the same benefit doing productive household chores and almost as much by doing a crossword or puzzles instead of watching TV.... or standing in line nervously ....

All of these things are GOOD ... but if your aim is to loose weight and get fit then aiming to walk an hour a day as a goal is woefully inadequate. If you go to a gym then run to the gym ... the important part being it elevates your metabolism above the THR before you even start.... and in most cases lets say ita a mile and you can run a mile in a conservative 6-7 (10 mph) mins you only lost 2-3 mins over taking the car .. by all means walk back to cool off or you need another shower but you just doubled the efficiency of the exersize at the gym by pre-elevating your metabolism and lost almost no time doing it.

The point is these figures are just oine set ... but as good as any. It helps like everything else to educate yourself and see how best to use your time....

I'm not looking for a personal trainer. If I have to go into that much detail and spend that much time doing it, then forget it.

So its not so much detail... just look down the list and choose an activity that is both efficent AND enjoyable.

Seriously square dancing sounds pretty efficient for instance. It really doesn't take that much time or detail ....

The whole point I objected to about the post was it advocated 15 mins exersize.... you don't need a personal trainer or books to read about THR.. you can just click this....

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The whole point is you need to do it for a minimum of 20 minutes..... 30 is better and then the efficiency kicks in. Once you have hot it then the effect carry on for quite some time, depending on the exersize you are doing so a vigerous walk home keeps your metabolism stimulated and prolongs the effects....

I never weighed more than 155 (5'10") despite eating whatever I wanted and within 2 years of going gluten-free I was almost 210. I dropped back into the 170s but have added some back on.

You can no longer eat like you used to and it's going to take more exercise, as well. What you used to eat without gaining weight will now add weight. And if you're eating gluten-free goodies, they're loaded with calories.

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This is a big trap and one easy to fall into because physcologically you feel like you should be able to have them, they're gluten-free after all.

The main change is not to eat junk food, even if its gluten-free and never between meals.

Obviously exersize is alsways good .. even if you are your ideal weight. Your weight gain was very much like mine (68kg to 97kg) when I went gluten-free and Im 5'10" and male but the ratio is about the same.

I started off by cutting all junk food, one thing I bought was a meat grinder for instance and making my own turkey or chicken burgers and saussages because I had been eating lots of burgers (Living in N. Africa BBQ's were pretty much a year round thing) so this was to change for ME.... You will probably be able to identify things for you and this example was for me because that was one huge area I coulkd cut calories ....

Next for inbetween meal snacks prepare yourself crudites like carrot sticks and celery and get used to snacking on it without a dressing. Don't buy junk food .... if its in the cupboard it gets eaten in my experience so just don't buy them.

Reduce portion size, on another thread someone suggested adding some sald to your plate before serving ... things like this a great because you don't feel like your missing out so much.

So say your 55lbs more than you want to be your weight loss will probably be like a bell curve.... first the hard part .. you break the cycle of gaining weight ... this can be depressing because it seems like nothing is happening ... it is you just can't see it .. as you add more exersize this accelerates and as your tolerance for exersize continues to grow so does your ability to loose lots of weight.

I started off with running ... as best I could at that weight then added a gym class and step machine, I don't know what I dropped to exactly but probably 1/3 of the goal ...and at this point I moved to England

Then: A friend dragged me into doing

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This really gave me incentive ... I joined a gym 10 miles from my house in the next town and started off by cycling to it and doing some weights and 3x3 minutes on the rowing machine (specically for the raft race)

After 3 mins I was whacked....!

Within 4-5 weeks I was running to the gym and doing 3 hours on the rowing machine (I needed special permission from the gym since there was a 30 min max) but when I talked to the guy in charge he gave me quiet times I could go and let me hog the machine. On a few occiasions I had a joke... someone would start racing me for 15 minutes then stop exhausted ... but the secret is just to add what is almost possible each week. I only really say this top show how adaptive the human body is. The first time 1 hit 1 hour I puked my guts out .... by the race I could breeze through 1 hr and at the end of 3 hours used to warm down on the step machine. How quickly you do this depends to a large extent on how fit you have been before... both psychologically and physcially. Phychologically because you know YOU can do it and also you know how hard you can push yourself before passing out... if you have never exersized to compete at top level in a sport then this might seem impossible... IT'S NOT... olympic track atheletes and pro-cyclists do it every year.

You might never win an olympic gold but the big difference is they realise what the human body CAN do. It helps they have personal trainers... but the main thing is being able to exersize 110% ... past what you think you can do each time. It doesn't matter if you are only able to walk 6 miles at a forced pace ... make sure each 3 days you knock 3 minutes off .. force yourself because YOU CAN do it.

The extra 10% is what makes the biggest difference. Its what makes you get fitter and fitter and the fitter you are the more calories you burn .. the more you do energetically so it becomes self feeding.

Get a training partner but someone who will push you.... this is a huge motivation. Realise the hardest part is the first step... and the first 1-2 weeks both physically and mentally.

Also you have to turn the body around and retrain it into loosing not gaining weight. Often a more severe diet will help (not starvation but 1200 calories a day for instance) but once you start loosing weight you can increase this slowly as you're burning more and more calories the fitter you get.

In the end you might be eating a similar amount to now but without junk.

By the race I dropped down to a couple of kilo's over my pre-diagnosis weight which was good enough for me and I got a new job and cut down significantly on exersize regimes but instead cycled to work (50 miles) and did active weekends. I still went to the gym but just 3x a week

Meanwhile cut out using the car .... make everything you do a exersize... you can even make a shower burn a few calories if you towel down vigerously. Walk to do groceries .. don't drive. Take stair instead of elevators.. if you need to get a bus for instance because of time get off a mile from home....

Since then I have had a constant battle.... whenever work takes over my life I eat worse, do little or no exersize etc. and I have to drop a few pounds again. I just lost close to 10 lbs (I guess) carrying backpacks in Italy everyday in 100+ heat and only eating a single real meal a day. The other being just some fruit or raw vegetables or a green salad. Sonething like this is a really good kick start because it gets you out of your routine ... now Im back Im determined to keep up more exersize and so far its working

the best way to loose weight is to walk at a moderate pace for at least an hour a day.

Biking doesn't really help with weight loss as you tend to coast more thus not burning any calories.

Is an absoluely mindless thing to say. Barring stop signs and traffic lights there is no reason to stop.

You could say walkings is bad because of park benches but noone is putting a gun to your head.

It is a proven fact that your hour a day doesn't have to be all at once.

You can do 15 minutes here, 15 minutes there etc.

The first 15-20 minutes are simply getting your body into the right state where it will start using glycogen up from storage, after this it starts making new glycogen and buring fat to do it. Trying 15 mins here and there is liek a 3 steps forwards and 2 back method .... but its sure as heck better than sitrting at a desk !!!

Best advice I think is to get a pedometer and wear it all day. It will help you determine how much walking you need to do. I walk on my breaks at work. I have two 15 minutes a day and a 1 hour lunch. I can get in my walking before I even get home. With the heat, I have been going to the gym and using the track indoors. Be careful to replenish your fluids when you walk. Good luck!

Walking is one of the most ineffective ways to loose weight, it doesn't mean its a bad way but its not effective. Running for 1 hour will burn far more calories and stimulate the body far more as will cycling, cross country skiing or climbing stairs. If you can't do these because of knees or joints etc. then thats fine but that doesn't make walking a good way to effectively loose weight, let alone the BEST. Unless you are walking hard (5mph) then its only slightly better than lying down....

Walking in a gym is as pointless as it gets. if you enjoy a walk in the country then cool, exersize should be fun but actually walking in a gym when you could use a rowing machine or stair machine and burn 3x the calories in the same time is pointless unless you actually somehow enjoy walking on a treadmill.

If you want to lose weight quickly run 20-30 miles a day, every day.. you will loose weight, skip for 2 hours or cycle 100 miles a day....If you can't then walking might be a good way to start but it can never be an effective way unless you are climbing mountains .. and even then why not run up the mountain instead?

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I do not disagree with your points at all, just that all advice that deals with ppl needs to be generalized as much as possible and fine tuning is best done in a private 1- 1 session not a forum where 1000/s of ppl read the thread. At least thats my opinion which is worth exactly as much as you make it. biggrin.gif

The reason there are 15 thousand diet/exercise plans out there is because each person has different needs and tastes that need to be addressed. I do not know mcuh about your country but here in America by far most ppl just walking 30 mins a day would be extremly dramtic increase in activity, and most Americas would do best by simpling not going to fast food joints any more.

I wasn't disagreeing with you either .. its just my habit of correctness and also I think people should realise that exersize is actually enjoyable and eating better and starting off slow is fine but once you have been doing it a while you no longer need to think "duh how many calories do I need to burn off to eat this"

I do not know mcuh about your country but here in America by far most ppl just walking 30 mins a day would be extremly dramtic increase in activity, and most Americas would do best by simpling not going to fast food joints any more

Paris is like NY.... everyone walks everywhere ... and like the US its the small towns with big malls and parking lots where people don't ... weird when you think about it... I take my vacation to walk in the country and these people are surrounded by it and choose not to....

Fast food wise.... lets just say its not really culturally acceptable in France. It exists ... but 90% of McDo customers are either tourists or France's equivalent to Jerry Springer talk show guests !!!! (sorry the word in French is racaille .. or rabble) hopefully you get the meaning.

but back to the previous post....

The best advice is get a training partner.... especially early on its easy to skip or be tired or .... 1001 other excuses and having a training partner to motivate you is invaluable be it walking, cycling or whatever.

Walking should be something you do...IMHO not an actual exersize. Excuses like its 105 outside don't really count unless you are in office clothes and don't have a shower of course.

Joining a club be it tennis or whatever is equally effective .. the key is committing the time and DOING it regualrly. The body is in many ways self governing.. once you start it off gainig or loosing wieght the hardest part is turning it around. To do this you have to overcome your bodies accustomed mode. Keeping exersize regular helps it adjust.

anyway time for bed.....

This is an immune response and the immune system works as a cascade. (Think of a pyramid of cards. You knock down the top one and chances are that all the layers underneath will fall as well.) This means that for each molecule of gliadin that you eat, your body responds by alerting 10 or 20 cells and each of these cells send out alarm signals to 10-100 more cells.

Every cell that responds spits out inflammatory cytokines (proteins that cause inflammation) that affect the entire area around the cell.

In the case of Celiac, one of the responding cell types in your intestine turns into a suicidal bomber. It takes out itself and all the cells that connect to it. This is what causes the damage.

A different type of cell produces antibodies that have somehow confused YOUR body's proteins with dangerous attackers. This is what causes the symptoms that we feel.

IMO some people seem more prone to alert the damaging cells and therefor have damage but not the other physical symptoms. Some people seem more prone to alert the antibody cells and therefor have the physical symptoms before they have much intestinal damage.

I was going to respond then this covers it pretty much 100% ....

However I also have another question ....

When 1 crumb is already too much would eating a whole loaf/pizza make any difference? other than perhaps the half-life of getting rid of the gluten ? This is particualr with respect to people who get small regualr glutening vs say making a big mistake 2-3 times a year...

My personal opinion is the long term damage from small amounts is very much more harmful, especially in terms of forced cell replication than a short term large glutening.