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Does It Look Like Celiac?

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My symptoms started in October 2010 with big armpit lumps (very painful and warm) in both armpits and Achy joints. (During this period I didn’t experience weight loss or headaches)


- Armpit lumps recurrent for this period on/off, except for the last three months.
- Recurrent abdominal pain and/or discomfort (Mostly in the lower right side, maybe the illeocecal junction and the cecum and discomfort  in the bladder area, rarely in the left side and back, also during the night)
- Bloating and Abdominal distension
- Fatigue (Gone with a gluten/dairy diet after a few days)
- Achy joints (sometimes muscular, mostly joints)
- Paresthesia with pain, in any part of the body, looks gone after starting PPIs medication, I think it was more acute when consuming caffeine drinks.
- Dizziness/brain fog, this went to maximum in two crisis when I couldn't even lay down or sleep, not even concentrate or eat anything, sick feeling, the only relieve was to walk.
- Diarrhea (food not digested and floating stool) and constipation during crisis, not very frequent I could guess that might be related to lactose, but not for sure.
- Ulcers in the tongue (mostly when I had a crisis) and sporadic pain in the ears.
- Higher than normal liver readings observed for as far as I can remember.


The symptoms that is more acute and intolerable is the last one dizziness and sick feeling, it comes mostly before passing stool but can last for the day or several days, to a degree that I cannot even stay in a chair having lunch or dinner with other people or even sleep, I need to go and walk.


I had some cases of vertigos, not that so frequently, sick feeling and dizziness appeared around one year ago, there are periods when it happens and period when it doesn't happen, during the last 6 months I had several mild crisis and two strong crisis when I went to the hospital very dizzy, I couldn't even sit down and I had high blood pressure at that time (I didn't get high blood pressure again).


I followed a gluten/dairy diet for some weeks and I got a very good improvement and I felt full of energy instead of constant fatigue.


Tests Done:

- IGS: igA: 1 agG: 2 agE: 9 (All very low and normal)

- Vitamines: Vitamine D 29 (low but normal), Copper a bit low

- Thyroid: All in the range but for TSH it was 3.2 (The range here is 0.3 - 4.2)

- Ultrasound scan: Seen a inflammation in the terminal ileum

- Stool Test, all normal except for Helicobacter P

- Bloodtests: All normal except monocytes a but high, and high readings of liver enzimes (95 first, after 75 and after 79 range 0-55), also triglicerids a but high.

- Colonoscopy: All Normal

- Gastroscopy: Severe erosion with ulcers and erythem in duodenus and stomach, early metaplasia without displesia seen, Helicobacter found.

- Biopsy of Stomach and Doudenus, one piece each (only), count <30% (celiac ruled out), lactose intolerance found.


Medication: Taking Vitamin D, finished triple therapy for helicobacter, taking probiotics and PPIs to heal the ulcers.


The doctor said that I can eat everything, nothing else found, the liver to be investigated, should I rule out celiac? Could it be Chrons?


I did some gluten challenge on my own,after some time without gluten, I felt a bit sick the next not too much, I continued taking gluten, no major sympthoms, a bit of pain in the ilecum and a low energy, but nothing else, I'm not sure if I should do home made tests, but I visited many doctors with no luck, I don't know what else to do, I'm thinking in NCGS or in taking a genetic test for celiac.


My day to day symthoms are mild, very mild, is more like low energy and very mild joint pain, but the crisis (I had 2) were very bad, a lot of pain in the illecum and other parts of the intestine, couldn't sleep, felt very dizzy and weak, couldn't eat or even rest in the sofa, those two crisis happened in the last 6 months, with up and downs the weeks after.


It looks like gluten-free diet makes a difference but I tried only once for a few weeks, need to confirm trying again, any ideas?


Could just be all related to Helicobacter? (humm liver and ilecum pain don't look like that)


I need to restest for Helicobacter in a couple of weeks after I finish my PPIs.


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Also "Smooth Myscke antobody" came today as negative, does that mean that my higher liver readings are not related to an autoinmune issue like celiac?


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I think H. Pylori can cause stomach pain and ulcers in some people. It appears you have ulcers so that will cause you some problems. For people who have peptic ulcers, I believe it is recommended that the H. Pylori is erradicated.


I do not believe that it can cause vertigo, dizziness, joint pain, swollen glands, mouth ulcers or liver problems, but I am not medically trained. I would attribute those symptoms to something else. It could be celiac, or it could be some other autimmune problem.


 If your colonoscopy is normal, it is probably not Crohn's.


Liver problems can be associated with celiac disease, but also with other issues. What did your doctor think caused your elevated liver enzymes?


Many celiacs are lactose intolerant because the small intestinal villi which makes lactase (which deals with lactose) are destroyed. Often the ability to digest lactose returns as healing of the intestines occurs. I wonder why they said you are lactose intolerant but your villi are fine?


I have never heard of "Smooth Myscke antobody". Is that the correct test or spelling?


Vertigo can be related to inner ear problems (as well as diet and autoimmune diseases). I have a friend who gave up all grains and that improved most of her vertigo; giving up coffee also helped... but that is just anecdotal.  Did you doctor hazard a guess as to the cause of that?


Before going gluten-free, you might want to try celiac blood tests. The most common tests are:

  • tTG IgA and tTG IgG
  • EMA IgA
  • DGP IgA and DGP IgG
  • total serum IgA  (a control test)

To have accurate tests, you must be consuming 1-4 gluten servings (ie. bread slices) per day for approximately 6 weeks prior to testing.


Going dairy free won't affect your tests but could improve your symptoms. I would give up milk products immediately.


After testing, when you try the gluten-free diet again (to rulle out non-celiac gluten intolerance - NCGI), eat gluten-free for at least 3 months before deciding if it is helping. Some cases of NCGI and celiac take months to years to clear up some symptoms. I am still dealing with many symptoms and I am almost one year gluten-free. It can take a lot of time.


Good luck to you. I hope you find some answers soon.  :)


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The Celiac villus biopsy of one sample is worth squat. Not enough samples taken.


Get the blood tests such as nvsmom wrote.


Here's the Celiac panel I did:


Total IgA
Transglutaminase IgA      tTG-IgA
Deaminated Gliadin IgA   DGP-IgA
Deaminated Gliadin IgG   DGP-IgG



Eat 4 slices of bread for at least 12 weeks.


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    • I think the posters above have given you very good information and I will throw in my 2 cents worth.  I am surprised that they did not test her DGP IgA also.  I am sure that would have been positive.  They switched off with antibody classes and usually they do both tests for both antibodies.  IgA is more specific to Celiac but the IgG is also useful.  The testing shows your daughter is producing antibodies to the gluten in her diet. (DGP IGG). THe tTg shows positive for some damage or inflammation. You know........your daughter is only 4.  She hasn't been on the planet or eating gluten that long. It can take years for enough damage to occur for it to be able to be found on biopsy.  I would say it is highly likely that this is Celiac, especially with her symptoms. But because the damage hasn't graduated to bad enough yet, they won't diagnose her. I think you need to do what others have said and get all copies of testing and find someone else who will take a look and give a diagnosis, especially if they have you do a dietary trial and her symptoms go away.  That might be the only recourse if you want faster proof. I know I would want faster.  I would not really be happy if I thought I had to keep feeding her something that was making her sick.  If you keep her on gluten long enough, the diarrhea will probably show up. BTW.........the criteria mentioned regarding diagnosis does not apply to kids.  I know it's silly and stupid but most leading Celiac specialists do not go by this criteria for kids.......adults only.  Keep that in mind because it might come up.  You could recognize it but they might not. Have you considered gene testing, to help bolster a diagnosis? As far as false positives go, it's the other way around. False negatives happen more frequently than many people think.  It's a recurring theme here.  With her symptoms, which is what I had, a bloated belly and tummy aches are telling.  Have they tested her for lactose intolerance?  That can cause similar symptoms, although it sure won't raise those 2 blood tests.  Keep looking for Celiac because there are many red flags here.
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    • Mnoosh, I had swollen lymph nodes prior to celiac dx and for a while after going gluten free. My neck as well as groin. The groin ones were the worst. Guess what? All gone! It's hard to recall a time line & consider that everyone is different but I think mine completely resolved within a year.  You've been given great information. Just breathe and then again, breathe. You're going to be fine. 
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