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- knitty kitty replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease129 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?
I found some articles that illustrate the immune reaction to casein and gluten. Bovine milk caseins and transglutaminase-treated cereal prolamins are differentially recognized by IgA of celiac disease patients according to their age https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19290628/ Gliadin and Casein Metabolism: Synthesis of Gliadomorphin and... -
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Ijmartes71 I son't think you are crazy by any psycoligical s=defination but you are obsessive. you may have considerable brain fog , a problem that affects celiacs and many other people. . With this obsession you have abd being braun dogged you arw not abke to take any advice people are giving you to help you. To take advice you need to reduce your anxieties... -
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Just to say that I too was hesitant to come off dairy products completely @dsfraley. Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses definitely caused bloating. This bloating gave me rib and pelvic pain, and I remember the pain was so horrible at times it was almost a sick feeling., kind of like the sort of aches you get with flu. Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses also... -
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- Wheatwacked replied to dsfraley's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease129 y/o Son Diagnosed with Celiac Disease; Persistent Symptoms: Does this Sound Familiar?
Anyway, I have no problem with grass fed milk other than the price. Maybe I should move to Ireland or New Zealand. They're the only countries that don't feed grains to their cows to increase milkfat and milk volume. A side note: I just came back trom the vascular surgeon about the scan of my carotid arteries done last week. A year ago I had over ...- 1
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By knitty kitty · Posted
I found some articles that illustrate the immune reaction to casein and gluten. Bovine milk caseins and transglutaminase-treated cereal prolamins are differentially recognized by IgA of celiac disease patients according to their age https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19290628/ Gliadin and Casein Metabolism: Synthesis of Gliadomorphin and Casomorphin and Their Biological Consequences https://www.researchgate.net/publication/397908713_Gliadin_and_Casein_Metabolism_Synthesis_of_Gliadomorphin_and_Casomorphin_and_Their_Biological_Consequences Effects of milk containing only A2 beta casein versus milk containing both A1 and A2 beta casein proteins on gastrointestinal physiology, symptoms of discomfort, and cognitive behavior of people with self-reported intolerance to traditional cows’ milk https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4818854/#:~:text=Results,lactose tolerant and intolerant subjects. Casomorphins and Gliadorphins Have Diverse Systemic Effects Spanning Gut, Brain and Internal Organs https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8345738/ Brain Opioid Activity and Oxidative Injury: Different Molecular Scenarios Connecting Celiac Disease and Autistic Spectrum Disorder https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7407635/ -
Ijmartes71 I son't think you are crazy by any psycoligical s=defination but you are obsessive. you may have considerable brain fog , a problem that affects celiacs and many other people. . With this obsession you have abd being braun dogged you arw not abke to take any advice people are giving you to help you. To take advice you need to reduce your anxieties abd think more clearly. .Stop taking your herbs for at least one week because some of them will have side ellectsif you take them too long. You can add them back if you don't notice any good changes. Be more careful about being strictly gluten free.
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Just to say that I too was hesitant to come off dairy products completely @dsfraley. Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses definitely caused bloating. This bloating gave me rib and pelvic pain, and I remember the pain was so horrible at times it was almost a sick feeling., kind of like the sort of aches you get with flu. Milk, yoghurt and soft cheeses also gave me diarrhea, but I noted I could still eat small amounts of hard cheese like cheddar without any issues. Re: milk, my gastroenterologist told me at that time that I could just by lactofree products, and should be fine, but when my gut was still very damaged they went right through me regardless. Thankfully I am able to tolerate milk very well again, although I have noted that too much of it can have a slightly laxative effect. The other thing that made me feel off were heavy iron supplements, which contributed to bloating and diarrhea. In the end a GP told me to take ferrous gluconate, which is a much gentler supplement, with water an hour before breakfast in the morning. That was helpful. If your son is supplementing (which needs to be under medical supervision as too much iron can cause issues) Floravital fruit syrup is another alternative, but make sure you don't buy Floradix as it contains gluten. Lastly, all oats, soya products and certain pulses also made my stomach sore. Apart from the oats (which need to be certified 'pure' aka gluten free ones) I was able to eat these things again some months after adopting a gluten-free diet. I would say keeping a food diary might be worth a try, noting any negative symptoms following eating. Patterns start to emerge which might otherwise be difficult to identify.
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By Wheatwacked · Posted
Anyway, I have no problem with grass fed milk other than the price. Maybe I should move to Ireland or New Zealand. They're the only countries that don't feed grains to their cows to increase milkfat and milk volume. A side note: I just came back trom the vascular surgeon about the scan of my carotid arteries done last week. A year ago I had over 90% stenosis in the right artery and 80% in the left. Tcar procedure done in the right with a stent. The results today were right side downgraded to Moderate stenosis and the surgeon did not expect to see as much improvement on the left. (untouched). I must be doing something right. Recheck in six months. Mucosal reactivity to cow's milk protein in coeliac disease This paper proves that cassein is the protein in cow's milk is the trigger but the study did not differentiate as grass fed milk. I haven't found any studies specific to grassmilk. The study does not differentiate alpha or beta cassein. Google says: some clinicians speculate that grain-based proteins could potentially pass into the milk, though scientific studies typically find no detectable gluten or gliadin fragments in bovine milk regardless of the cow's diet. So given alpha cassein as the trigger, grass fed A2 cassein; thought to be easier to digest and less likely to trigger the specific inflammatory pathways associated with standard commercial dairy; plus the omega 6:3 ratio of grain fed milk is 5.8:1 vs grass fed ratio of 1:1, grass fed milk is less inflammatory.
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