Grain fed cow milk vs 100% Grass fed cow milk

[Pxidis]

As someone with Celiac, recently I have had symptoms and could not figure out what I was consuming that contained gluten. I began taking note of everything I ate, including areas in which there could be cross contamination. After searching, “light-bulb!” MILK! Of course! I had been drinking a lot if milk and other dairy products. I wondered why the lactose free milk gave me lactose intolerance symptoms, but the grass milk or milk coming from cows fed only 100% grass did not bother me at all. I did some research and found a peer reviewed article about milk and gluten, stating that yes, grain fed cows that produce milk will produce milk that contains gluten; however, cows that are 100% grass fed produce gluten free milk. Duh. Everything we eat goes into our milk when nursing our babies, why would it be different for cows? Has anyone out there experienced this? https://www.schaer.com/en-us/a/is-milk-gluten-free#:~:text=As a final note%2C if,milk from grass-fed cows

[Pxidis]

4 minutes ago, Pxidis said:

As someone with Celiac, recently I have had symptoms and could not figure out what I was consuming that contained gluten. I began taking note of everything I ate, including areas in which there could be cross contamination. After searching, “light-bulb!” MILK! Of course! I had been drinking a lot if milk and other dairy products. I wondered why the lactose free milk gave me lactose intolerance symptoms, but the grass milk or milk coming from cows fed only 100% grass did not bother me at all. I did some research and found a peer reviewed article about milk and gluten, stating that yes, grain fed cows that produce milk will produce milk that contains gluten; however, cows that are 100% grass fed produce gluten free milk. Duh. Everything we eat goes into our milk when nursing our babies, why would it be different for cows? Has anyone out there experienced this? https://www.schaer.com/en-us/a/is-milk-gluten-free#:~:text=As a final note%2C if,milk from grass-fed cows

“As a final note, if you are extremely sensitive to gluten, you may want to avoid milk that comes from cows fed on gluten grains – cows are often fed barley. Unless you’re lactose intolerant, however, you should be fine drinking milk from grass-fed cows”https://www.schaer.com/en-us/a/is-milk-gluten-free#:~:text=As a final note%2C if,milk from grass-fed cows

[Pxidis]

24 minutes ago, Pxidis said:

As someone with Celiac, recently I have had symptoms and could not figure out what I was consuming that contained gluten. I began taking note of everything I ate, including areas in which there could be cross contamination. After searching, “light-bulb!” MILK! Of course! I had been drinking a lot if milk and other dairy products. I wondered why the lactose free milk gave me lactose intolerance symptoms, but the grass milk or milk coming from cows fed only 100% grass did not bother me at all. I did some research and found a peer reviewed article about milk and gluten, stating that yes, grain fed cows that produce milk will produce milk that contains gluten; however, cows that are 100% grass fed produce gluten free milk. Duh. Everything we eat goes into our milk when nursing our babies, why would it be different for cows? Has anyone out there experienced this? https://www.schaer.com/en-us/a/is-milk-gluten-free#:~:text=As a final note%2C if,milk from grass-fed cows

Hmmm, that was not the article I found and cannot find the one I did find, however I came across this one stating that there is no gluten in any cow milk. https://www.glutenfreedietitian.com/gluten-peptides-in-human-breast-milk-implications-for-cows-milk/
if there is no gluten in cows milk, what in lactose free cow milk would make me break out, swell up, and have the runs? And why would 100% grass fed cow milk not do this to me? Hmmm.  

[trents]

The idea that grain fed cows produce milk with gluten does not have a scientific basis. Gluten is a protein. The digestive process of the cow breaks down the proteins in the grain into constituent amino acids which are then broken down even further into smaller biochemical compounds before they enter the cows blood stream.  Then those biochemicals are used to build the proteins that make up milk. However, there are other biochemical differences between grain fed cows milk and grass fed cows milk that could be causing your issues. Forum member Wheatwacked is up on this.

[Celiacmanbill]

it could be the milk itself i switched to a "plant based" milk and i feel alot better dairy seems to give me bad inflammation  but it took a long time to feel better almost a month but my life is also high stress, I also think most dairy products probably is not good for the microbiome but we need future research to confirm that i didnt have much issues when i had feta made from sheep milk

[knitty kitty]

@Pxidis,

LactOse is the milk sugar in cow's milk.  LactAse is the digestive enzyme needed to break down LactOse.  

LactAse is produced in the tips of the villi in the small intestine.  The villi absorb vitamins and minerals from the small intestine, kinda like an anemone filtering seawater in the ocean.  In celiac disease, the immune system attacks our bodies, damaging the villi so that they can no longer produce LactAse.  

On the gluten free diet, our villi can heal over months and start producing LactAse again.  

Some people with celiac disease react to Casein, the protein in dairy. Casein has a similar shape as gluten, the protein in wheat, barley and rye.  Our bodies can have the same autoimmune response to Casein as it does to Gluten.  

Cows fed grains have higher levels of histamine in their bodies.  Cows fed on pasture grass have lower levels of histamine.  

High levels of histamine cause high homocysteine, an inflammatory marker of stress.  Diets containing high histamine foods increase our body's histamine levels.  High histamine levels are pro-inflammatory.  

Eating a Low Histamine Paleo Diet for a couple of months will help reduce histamine levels and help heal the digestive system.  After healing, dairy may be better tolerated.

I am a teapot.  

Mucosal reactivity to cow's milk protein in coeliac disease

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1810502/

[Scott Adams]

Cow's milk is naturally gluten-free, even if the cows are fed gluten containing grains.

[gfreenc]

I had the same epiphany several years ago while traveling in Iceland.  I normally try to limit, but not completely cut out, dairy.   However, in Iceland if you want to eat fresh, local food, that means fish, red meat, and dairy.  All of their dairy and livestock are pasture raised by small family farms.  I thought that my guts would be angry from all that dairy but I felt just fine.  Similarly I noticed that I can eat Jeni’s ice cream here in the states without any issue.  Their ice cream is all famously from grass-fed milk.

While I haven’t done a rigorous study or trial, I have anecdotally noticed a difference when I eat grass-fed vs regular dairy.  If some babies react to gluten in their mom’s breast milk, why wouldn’t we celiacs react to cow’s milk after they eat gluten?

I don’t think it’s just about general inflammation or that eating “paleo” is the answer (for anything, ever.). There may also be something to the A1 vs A2 cow debate, also.  Either way, whenever possible I buy grass-fed dairy (and meat- it’s good!)

[trents]

@gfreenc, there is no gluten in milk, whether human or bovine. Gluten is a protein in certain grains but it is broken down into various amino acids during digestion before it gets into the bloodstream and thus it will not wind up in milk. 

[Russ H]

Small amounts of gliadin are detectable in some samples of human breast milk but these are at too low a level to cause symptoms. No gliadin has been detected in the beef of grain-fed cattle.

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5622696/

[trents]

Russ, can you link an article supporting your assertion that small amounts of gliadin are detectable in human breast milk? Not doubting you but it would be nice to have the whole text for reference.