abnormal weight loss

[glucel]

I lost 36 pounds (180 to 144) over several months after bypass surgery in sept 2022. I bottomed out at 144 pounds early july this year. Since then slowly gained 5 pounds to 149 but have stalled ther for last few weeks.

I read that surgeries can instigate celiac disease in older adults and endoscopy confirmed it april 30. But the weight loss bothers me. Has anybody had similar experience or have any ideas how to gain some weight? I have been taking all the common recommended supplements plus enzymes and probiotics.

[Scott Adams]

Are you eating enough protein, fat and carbohydrates? Healthy carbs like corn tortillas, rice and beans can help you gain weight.

Increasing the fat content in meals can help individuals with celiac disease feel less hungry by providing longer-lasting satiety, since fats digest more slowly than carbohydrates and proteins.

This article may be helpful:

 

 

[glucel]

I had a triple bypass so do not eat cheese or butter but I use avocado oil freely. Do not eat potato chips etc every night anymore instead fruit and or bowl of cereal with nut milk. Diet is much cleaner now but qty remains the same. My diet seems nutritional enough and pretty much follows:

breakfast- hard boiled egg, 1/2 oz beef liver, cereal: flax, milk thistle pumpkin seed and oatmeal mixed together

Lunch/dinner-  meat, chicken or salmon with potato or rice or quinoa and veggies no oil sometimes salad with dressing. Bread if needed.

supper- 3 slice bread peanut or cashew butter or 5 grain cereal with nut milk, or soup loaded with rice or whatever

evening- fruit maybe potato chips or cookies when I just have to do it. Ordinarily try not to keep them in house.

I put on a pound or so when potato chips are eaten for couple days. I use to eat much more fat but am more careful now after bypass so suppose that makes a difference. I think small intestine might have something to do with it but was looking for confirmation.

[knitty kitty]

Hello, @glucel,

Unintended weight loss is symptomatic of Thiamine deficiency.  Our bodies use more Thiamine when we are ill and stressed.  Switching to a gluten free diet can also result in a lower intake of Thiamine.  

Interesting Reading:

Coronary Artery Bypass Graft (CABG) surgery depletes plasma thiamine levels

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874825/

Gluten-free diet intervention reduces thiamine intake in two weeks...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34583628/

This study found normal people, without Celiac Disease and malabsorption concerns, had a drop in Thiamine after starting a gluten free diet.  They went back to eating a gluten containing diet.  We don't get that option.  Gluten free processed foods are not enriched with vitamins like gluten containing counterparts.  Supplementing helps boost your absorption of essential vitamins and minerals.

[glucel]

Thanks @knitty kitty,

I read your v b info with much interest for last few months. Here is my weight per event:

sept 8, 2022- 181 lbs

june 1, 2024 gluten free

july 4- 143.5 lbs

july31- changed from regular b to methyl folate and b12.

oct 8- 150 lbs

So weight hopefully coming back albeit very slowly. So probably my villi may be healing and methyl helping although also eating potato chips every few days so that is probably helping too. 

Taking 100 mg of b1 along with complex. I took all thiamine maybe 100 or so tablets. Brain fog diminished some and it seems swallowing trouble also diminished. Stopped taking it couple months or so ago and did not notice any reversals. I think I will finally look into bentofothiamine.

Also eat 1/2 ounce liver every morning for additional v b support.

[Scott Adams]

On 9/23/2024 at 12:44 PM, glucel said:

I had a triple bypass so do not eat cheese or butter but I use avocado oil freely. Do not eat potato chips etc every night anymore instead fruit and or bowl of cereal with nut milk. Diet is much cleaner now but qty remains the same. My diet seems nutritional enough and pretty much follows:

breakfast- hard boiled egg, 1/2 oz beef liver, cereal: flax, milk thistle pumpkin seed and oatmeal mixed together

Lunch/dinner-  meat, chicken or salmon with potato or rice or quinoa and veggies no oil sometimes salad with dressing. Bread if needed.

supper- 3 slice bread peanut or cashew butter or 5 grain cereal with nut milk, or soup loaded with rice or whatever

evening- fruit maybe potato chips or cookies when I just have to do it. Ordinarily try not to keep them in house.

I put on a pound or so when potato chips are eaten for couple days. I use to eat much more fat but am more careful now after bypass so suppose that makes a difference. I think small intestine might have something to do with it but was looking for confirmation.

I think potato chips can be fine depending on the oil used and the amount of salt on them, so if they help you gain weight you may want to keep them in your routine.

[knitty kitty]

Hello, @glucel,

I lost sixty pounds in six weeks.  It was shocking.  Fat loss as well as muscle wasting.  

Thiamine is needed to turn carbohydrates, fats, and protein into energy.  With insufficient Thiamine, the body uses a shortcut to save thiamine.  The body stores carbohydrates as fat, and later burns the stored fat for energy, a process which uses less thiamine.  Unfortunately, this leads to fatty weight gain seen in obesity, NAFLD, POTS, and metabolic syndrome.  With a diet high in carbohydrates, but low in Thiamine, High Calorie Malnutrition is the result.  The more carbohydrates you eat, the more Thiamine is needed.  

One of the most important concepts to keep in mind about Thiamine is that high doses are required to correct Thiamine deficiency disorders.  The body responds amazingly when high doses of Thiamine are taken.  There are changes seen in high dose Thiamine not seen at lower doses.  The best results are obtained by taking more than 500 mg/day of Thiamine Hydrochloride or Benfotiamine.  

I had taken a multivitamin for years, but it wasn't until I started taking high dose Thiamine that improvements were seen.  More than 100 mgs are needed.  I took 300 mg of Benfotiamine with each meal.  Our bodies can absorb about 300 mgs every three hours.   If all the extra energy keeps you awake at bedtime, take the last dose in the early afternoon. Thiamine supplementation should be continued for three months minimum.  Subtle health improvements continue to surface with continued thiamine supplimentation.  

Thiamine interacts with all the B vitamins, so taking a B Complex in addition is important.  Thiamine needs magnesium to make enzymes, so take a magnesium supplement as well.  (Magnesium Glycinate or Magnesium chelate, or Magnesium Threonate are great.  Avoid magnesium oxide as it pulls water into the intestines, relieving constipation, but is not absorbed well.)

Dr. Derrick Lonsdale and Dr. Chandler Marrs on their website hormonesmatter.com have been sharing information about Thiamine for years.  

 

Cheers to you for eating liver!  My favorite food!  

Do keep us posted on your progress!  I'm excited to hear about your progress!

[glucel]

hi @knitty kitty

I knew there had to be somebody else that liked liver.

Hearing of your weight loss/recovery and seeing another half pound gain this morning helps relieve some of the anxieties associated with celiac disease. I never thought that I would get excited about weight gain. 

I am going to add a 100 g thiamine tablet at noon time and will add the Benfotiamine for a few months.