Pea Protein

[HawkFire]

I'm concerned about MSG and all of it's relatives. I was on my new favorite site, Open Original Shared Link

and saw that Pea Protein is another way of saying MSG. I know I've seen pea protein in my home. So, I looked around. I found my KINNIKINNICK products!!!! have Pea protein. I emailed them and asked directly. No response. Anyone know? I'd hate to lose my Kinnikinnick, but happy to lose it if they've poisoning my family all this time. I'm kind of steamed, but am trying to wait for that response from them.

Edit- I've been looking around my cupboards. Seems there's a lot of pea protein in kinnkinnick's products. Could be that "GLUTEN FREE NEVER TASTED SO GOOD" because it's loaded with MSG like proteins? I'm going to be breadless if this is true. I'm so sick of bothering with the msg and it's evil relatives. They're everywhere.

[AndreaB]

I think I've seen that. I have pea fibre flour in my freezer from gluten-free Pantry I think. I haven't used it (not sure about intolerances) and don't know whether that would be included with that or not.

[Mango04]

I don't know but kinnickinnick makes me so sick! If people who feel great all the time eat it and still feel great, well that's awesome I know there are a lot of people here though trying to determine the cause of severe, mysterious reactions and some of those people eat kinnikinnik daily. I think there's something in it that's not good for some people.

My local health food store refuses to carry kinnikinnick because the ingredients are not natural enough....so...you might be onto something

[HawkFire]

I don't feel badly after eating Kinnkinnick. I am trying to avoid Neurotoxins! It's so frustrating to be lied to at every meal. I'm so close to going vegan and raw. I do it a bit, then I eat cooked again and use breads. I am angry thinking that my children have been being fed Neurotoxins at nearly $5.00 a loaf! Who do these people think they are?

[RiceGuy]

When I was looking up non-dairy cheeses, I saw some products with a yeast of sorts on the list of ingredients. We know what that means...So I emailed the company, and asked them point blank. Their response was something like two months later, and they basically said "well, yeah it's MSG, but it's not much"! Who defines "not much"? It doesn't take much to be toxic.

These companies know exactly what they're doing. I've been wondering why those who love kinnikinnick LOVE kinnikinnick

[AndreaB]

Hawkfire,

We buy our meat from US Wellness meats. It is 100% grass fed, naturally fed beef and poultry, lamb. It's the best meat we've ever had and the chicken has a normal color, not yellow skin. They are organic but aren't labeled organic due to the regulation hassles and expense.

Considering that they ship overnight, there prices are very good.

Check them out and see what you think.

Open Original Shared Link

[AndreaB]

Their response was something like two months later, and they basically said "well, yeah it's MSG, but it's not much"! Who defines "not much"? It doesn't take much to be toxic.

I'm surprised they even acknowledged it.

[RiceGuy]

I'm surprised they even acknowledged it.

So am I. But what's not a surprise is that they've changed how they list the ingredients, at least on the site (I don't buy their stuff).

[bluejeangirl]

I had no idea that was in their bread although I have maybe buy one loaf a year. I did make their chocolate cake for a birthday about a month ago. I didn't feel good during the night, I remember feeling hot and unable to sleep well.

I guess I must of thought it was a pea starch or flour but I googled pea protein and it is a concentrated protein usually added to boost nutrition and protein content. Then your right it becomes a freed glutamate which I have to avoid being very sensitive to MSG. You can buy it in a can like whey protein powder to put in protein drinks.

Well thanks for the heads up I'll never buy it again.

Gail

[HawkFire]

I just threw out nearly $200. worth of MSG bread products from Kinnkinnick. I'm so mad. Bluejeangirl, the cake has pea protein *MSG*. I didn't see any MSG in the pizza crusts. I'm sooooo mad. I feel jerked around and lied to. I will spend twice as much energy warning people about the hidden MSG in Kinnkinnick than I ever spent touting the product- which was a lot.

[tarnalberry]

I would expect that most starchy substances, in our body, are going to release free glutamate, as glutamate is naturally generated from glutamine in the body, and is necessary in the urea cycle. While I haven't done all the research you have, I'm pretty positive that all glutamate isn't equal.

[RiceGuy]

I just threw out nearly $200. worth of MSG bread products from Kinnkinnick. I'm so mad. Bluejeangirl, the cake has pea protein *MSG*. I didn't see any MSG in the pizza crusts. I'm sooooo mad. I feel jerked around and lied to. I will spend twice as much energy warning people about the hidden MSG in Kinnkinnick than I ever spent touting the product- which was a lot.

You've got every right to be blistering mad. I think we all do in a way, even if we've never purchased anything from them. Trading one set of health problems for another isn't what any of us want or need. It is not in the interest of the consumer for the company to do what they are obviously doing. Worse part is: They know it. They do it purposely. They intensionally obscure this fact in order to profit at the expense of our health.

We should be able to have confidence in any company which offers consumer products. Government oversight such as the FDA is supposed to help ensure these companies don't deceive or harm us, whether intentioned or not.

That saying "Buyer Beware" comes to mind.

[RiceGuy]

I would expect that most starchy substances, in our body, are going to release free glutamate, as glutamate is naturally generated from glutamine in the body, and is necessary in the urea cycle. While I haven't done all the research you have, I'm pretty positive that all glutamate isn't equal.

Right. The problem is when the glutamate enters the body in the free, unbound form. Because instead of a slow release as the food is digested, there's a whole bunch of the stuff surging into the brain. It's like a river; it can take a certain amount of water in a given period of time, but when there's a lot going in all at once, the river tends to rise above normal levels, and can overflow its banks, causing damage to surrounding areas.

[AndreaB]

Riceguy,

I like that analogy.

I looked at my pea protein and it is from Kinnickinick not Gluten Free Pantry. I haven't used it, but had bought it to add some nutrition to our bread.

[RiceGuy]

I looked at my pea protein and it is from Kinnickinick not Gluten Free Pantry. I haven't used it, but had bought it to add some nutrition to our bread.

I checked the kinnikinnick site, and I didn't see pea protein among their products. However, they do list "Pea Hull Fibre". Is that what you have?

If it's fiber you want, I believe Coconut Flour has about the most fiber of any flour I've seen. Green Pea Flour does have a lot of protein and fiber though, with Fava Bean Flour as a close second. Soy flour has almost as much protein as Fava, but less fiber.

Flax is a good source of both fiber and protein (and of course omega-3s), but I doubt it can make a decent flour in most cases.

[AndreaB]

I checked the kinnikinnick site, and I didn't see pea protein among their products. However, they do list "Pea Hull Fibre". Is that what you have?

Yep, it's pea hull fibre. We do use ground flax in our bread. Lorka150's recipe.

[HawkFire]

I am only going on what that truthinlabelingsite says. I had no idea that "Pea Protein" would be a hidden source of MSG. There seems to me, no reasonable expectation that a diligent consumer will be able to avoid exposure to a neurotoxin if this continues. I have no confirmation from Kinnkinnick, because they aren't responding to my question about pea protein. I also gave them the site info at truthinlabeling.com. I'm not one to promote lawsuits, but I feel that this is an industry that needs to have mulitple lawsuits filed against it in order to get this neurotoxin bull%$^% stopped.

[Gentleheart]

I wonder if we are interpreting this all correctly. I thought pea protein was merely another alternative type of convenient protein powder made out of ground peas that could be used by people with a lot of other protein allergies like soy, egg, whey, etc. Kirkman is a respected vitamin company for serious allergy people and they sell pea protein powder. Are you sure we aren't jumping the gun here? This kinda sounds like one term being used for two entirely different things.

[Rachel--24]

I wonder if we are interpreting this all correctly. I thought pea protein was merely another alternative type of convenient protein powder that could be used by people with a lot of other protein allergies like soy, egg, whey, etc.

Nope..."pea protein" is just another way to get MSG into a product without labeling it as such.

Recently, hydrolyzed proteins have been labeled as pea protein, whey protein, corn protein, wheat protein, soy protein, etc. If a pea, for example, were whole, it would be labeled as a pea. Calling an ingredient a pea protein, for example, indicates the pea has been hydrolyzed and processed free glutamic acid (MSG) is present.

For a more extensive list of ingredients which contain "hidden" MSG look here...

Open Original Shared Link

[Gentleheart]

Nope..."pea protein" is just another way to get MSG into a product without labeling it as such.

For a more extensive list of ingredients which contain "hidden" MSG look here...

Open Original Shared Link

Interesting deception. Is there no way then to fortify things with protein safely if you can't tolerate eggs or dairy or soybeans? It sounds like all protein powders no matter what they were made of would have this MSG issue. Thanks for the information.

I have become increasingly convinced that completely natural, vine ripened, raw or lightly cooked by ME in my own kitchen, organic, grassfed, plain and simple is the way it's eventually going to have to be. You can't trust anybody.

[Gentleheart]

Interesting deception. Is there no way then to fortify things with protein safely if you can't tolerate eggs or dairy or soybeans? It sounds like all protein powders no matter what they were made of would have this MSG issue. Thanks for the information.

I have become increasingly convinced that completely natural, vine ripened, raw or lightly cooked by ME in my own kitchen, organic, grassfed, plain and simple is the way it's eventually going to have to be. You can't trust anybody.

One more question.... I just purchased NOW bulk plain beef gelatin online to use in natural desserts and as a binder to replace eggs. I don't use Knox because of the pork. The label says nothing about being hydrolyzed. Did I waste my money? Is there free glutamate in this product?

[AndreaB]

Thanks for the link Rachel.

[HawkFire]

The silence from Kinnikinnick is overwhelming. I guess this is it for them. They're no better than serving your children processed junk food. Msg laden, gluten free bread products. Thanks, Kinnikinnick, for all the poison.

[Michi8]

The silence from Kinnikinnick is overwhelming. I guess this is it for them. They're no better than serving your children processed junk food. Msg laden, gluten free bread products. Thanks, Kinnikinnick, for all the poison.

Since this is so important, have you considered phoning them directly? Perhaps they didn't receive the email, or haven't been responding over the long weekend. Your original post was on Saturday (I'm not sure when you sent the email to them), and it's entirely possible that they have been closed until today.

Michelle

Edit: These are the company's hours (they likely would have been closed Good Friday & Easter Monday as well):

Administration Hours: (MST)

Monday...........9am-4:30pm

Tuesday..........9am-4:30pm

Wednesday........9am-4:30pm

Thursday.........9am-4:30pm

Friday...........9am-4:30pm

Saturday.........Closed

Sunday...........Closed

Retail Store Hours: (MST)

Tuesday..........9:30am-5pm

Wednesday........9:30am-5pm

Thursday.........9:30am-6pm

Friday...........9:30am-5pm

Saturday.........9:30am-5pm

Sunday...........Closed

Monday...........Closed

[RiceGuy]

Yep, it's pea hull fibre. We do use ground flax in our bread. Lorka150's recipe.

Well, if it's fiber you want, you might try coconut flour. It appears to have more fiber than flaxseed meal according to the info I've seen. IMHO coconut does go well in breads and such.