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Question About Vaccinations

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just out of curiosity, have vaccines changed since people who are now adults recieved them? One would think they would have become "safer", or is it the same ol stuff that kids are getting now? thoughts?

One that I know of has changed since we were kids. I don't know how old you are so I can't verify that. I do know that the old DTP is now DTaP.

As far as them being safer, nope. They may have had most of the thimerosal removed but they still have other harmful adjuvants which harm many children. They were made more potent than a lot of children can handle due to trying to get them to take in the 5% of the children that didn't respond to them.

The sheer quantity is another problem. Many problems have been linked to vaccines although I don't believe they are the whole problem, they are a part of it. SIDS, Shaken Baby Syndrome, Autism Spectrum Disorders have all been linked to vaccines. Then you also have intolerances/sensitivities which I believe can be linked. I haven't researched any of that though, my baby is the one who led me to that conclusion.

A good site to look into if you are interested is www.nvic.org

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One that I know of has changed since we were kids. I don't know how old you are so I can't verify that. I do know that the old DTP is now DTaP.

As far as them being safer, nope. They may have had most of the thimerosal removed but they still have other harmful adjuvants which harm many children. They were made more potent than a lot of children can handle due to trying to get them to take in the 5% of the children that didn't respond to them.

The sheer quantity is another problem. Many problems have been linked to vaccines although I don't believe they are the whole problem, they are a part of it. SIDS, Shaken Baby Syndrome, Autism Spectrum Disorders have all been linked to vaccines. Then you also have intolerances/sensitivities which I believe can be linked. I haven't researched any of that though, my baby is the one who led me to that conclusion.

A good site to look into if you are interested is www.nvic.org

thanks! honestly, i really had never heard any of this and I find it really interesting to think about for my future kids! I've heard of people not vacinating children but never have heard any real reason to think about that untill now!

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just out of curiosity, have vaccines changed since people who are now adults recieved them? One would think they would have become "safer", or is it the same ol stuff that kids are getting now? thoughts?

and, can kids get into school without any vaccinations or real religious cause to not recieve them?

(I don't have children yet, but am curious for when I do)

thanks in advance =D

There are many more vaccinations given now. At the time I was an infant and child the smallpox vaccine was given and probably diptheria, tetanus and polio vaccines as well. I contracted chicken pox when I was about 6 yo. MMR vaccine didn't exist, and I contracted both red measles and rubella in the same spring/summer, and now I have full immunity against both. I didn't receive the pertussis vaccine either, and have never contracted the disease, though my brother did.

In Alberta you don't need more than to say no to vaccines. I was a little worried about how the school and health nurses would react, but they were actually respectful and have marked down not to contact me with vaccination reminders (my eldest is fully vaccinated, my second partially vaccinated and my youngest not vaccinated at all.) :)

Mcihelle

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OK. Both of our children got all the vaccinations (pre-chicken pox, and they both came down with chicken pox) and neither one had any negative reactions of any sort that we could determine. Just like the vast majority of kids.

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just out of curiosity, have vaccines changed since people who are now adults recieved them? One would think they would have become "safer", or is it the same ol stuff that kids are getting now? thoughts?

and, can kids get into school without any vaccinations or real religious cause to not recieve them?

(I don't have children yet, but am curious for when I do)

thanks in advance =D

There are two MAJOR changes since we were kids.

One is the use of "multiple" vaccines, where there are 3 or more vaccines together in one shot. There has been NO long-term research on the safety of this.

The other, as mentioned above, is the sheer number of vaccines given. In the late 90's, the recommended vaccine schedule included 26 vaccines by the age of 18 months. Again, no long-term research exists proving the safety of this schedule. And, as far as I know, they have introduced more and more vaccines since the late 90's, so there may be even more required now.

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OK. Both of our children got all the vaccinations (pre-chicken pox, and they both came down with chicken pox) and neither one had any negative reactions of any sort that we could determine. Just like the vast majority of kids.

richard

Where do you get the "vast majority" of kids?

I do not intend to be argumentative here. It's just that all three of my kids reacted--but only one reaction got reported. The pediatrician at the time didn't know about the other two because the nurse who spoke to me on the phone didn't consider their reactions to be reactions. The pediatrician said later--years later--that they were indeed reactions.

Many of us don't get as far as the pediatrician when our children have reactions. We have to go through the nurse on the phone, and my understanding from one of them is that they consider their job on the phone to be that of making the load lighter on the pediatrician and warding off the "non-serious" cases.

I know MANY parents of autistic kids. Not all of them had discernable reactions, of course. But most of the ones I know had the same--and far worse--experiences as I did, where they were told that their child was fine, they were imagining things, there was no way int could be a reaction to the vaccine, etc. (Rather similar to what many of us here have been told about gluten, wouldn't you say?)

And I know one family who had video footage of their child, the day before the vaccine, and the day after. And the difference is truly shocking. In the first, the child appears normal, happy, and is both verbally and visually responsive to his parents. In the second, he appears SEVERELY autistic.

I agree that many children are not affected by the vaccines. But so many have been affected, and so many of us have been blown off by the medical community, that I can't help feeling dissed when you say that the vast majority is not affected. I really believe that there are many, many more affected than what's been reported by the physicians.

My parents never knew ANY other parents of severely autistic children.

I know 12--10 of them in Pittsburgh, most of those in our school district. And that's not counting the high-functioning/Asperger's Syndrome/PDD kids. I can't even count how many I know. And I don't go to any of the support groups, so it's not like I met them there--these are families I met at the doctor's office, at school, at playgrounds, at the synagogue, etc.

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And I know one family who had video footage of their child, the day before the vaccine, and the day after. And the difference is truly shocking. In the first, the child appears normal, happy, and is both verbally and visually responsive to his parents. In the second, he appears SEVERELY autistic.

There's a family in my community who has similar video footage of their son's fourth birthday party, where he's perfectly normal, then one week later (after vaccination) he's clearly autistic.

It's scary that the medical community is in the dark about this. When I saw my daughter's abnormal reaction to vaccines during her baby years, our school nurse chewed me out about buying into society's fear frenzy, and she made me cry. I knew something wasn't right, and I thank God I went with my own maternal instincts and postponed vaccination until later, when we discovered she was a celiac; we didn't vaccinate until even later still when she was a healthy celiac.

Whenever I see our school nurse, I can't even look at her without thinking "you idiot"!

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