Die-off Effect

[trcn]

Is there a sort of "die-off" when one goes casein and soy free, as happens with candida when one goes yeast free? I'm 5 days off casein and soy and feel terrible. I have headaches and extreme fatigue. I've been gluten-free for 4 months.

Thanks

Tracy

[Rachel--24]

Is there a sort of "die-off" when one goes casein and soy free, as happens with candida when one goes yeast free? I'm 5 days off casein and soy and feel terrible. I have headaches and extreme fatigue. I've been gluten-free for 4 months.

Thanks

Tracy

There can be withdrawl symptoms....particularly with casein. This is very common in autistic children when first removing gluten and casein from the diet. The symptoms are caused by the sudden decrease in opiates. If you are addicted to these foods you can go through a withdrawl period. Its not "die-off" as that would involve some type of treatment which is targeting yeast, bacteria or some other pathogenic organism.

Also, if you're adding new foods into your diet as replacements for casein and soy...it could be that you are reacting negatively to those foods. I actually had more problems with some of the new "additions" such as buckwheat, amaranth, quinoa, etc....then I ever had with gluten. I also had more problems with milk substitutes.....such as almond milk, rice milk and soy milk. I guess I'm kind of backwards but thats the way it went for me. Some of those things were worse for me than gluten and casein.

Soy is something that I dont tolerate at all.

[trcn]

There can be withdrawl symptoms....particularly with casein. This is very common in autistic children when first removing gluten and casein from the diet. The symptoms are caused by the sudden decrease in opiates. If you are addicted to these foods you can go through a withdrawl period. Its not "die-off" as that would involve some type of treatment which is targeting yeast, bacteria or some other pathogenic organism.

Also, if you're adding new foods into your diet as replacements for casein and soy...it could be that you are reacting negatively to those foods. I actually had more problems with some of the new "additions" such as buckwheat, amaranth, quinoa, etc....then I ever had with gluten. I also had more problems with milk substitutes.....such as almond milk, rice milk and soy milk. I guess I'm kind of backwards but thats the way it went for me. Some of those things were worse for me than gluten and casein.

Soy is something that I dont tolerate at all.

Interesting, Rachel, as Sorghum was definitely not something I tolerated well when I went gluten free. I had worse GI symptoms with that as compared to anything else. I am substituting Rice milk for creamer and cereal milk...so that is new. Wonder if rice is an issue for me. I'll try Hemp tomorrow and see if I feel the same...

Withdrawal is a good description. I am wiped out and really feel terrible. I wasn't expecting that so I had been wondering if I got glutened. Also, was wondering if eliminating casein and soy but leaving yeast (level was 10 with normal being <10) to hang out there in my system might magnify it's effects??

Thank you again for your knowledge.

Tracy

[aikiducky]

You probably know but just in case.. are you sure the rice milk is gluten free? Some of them are processed with barley.

Otherwise it could just be the withdrawal.

As to yeast... you'll probably know after you've been everything else free for a while, since it will be easier to notice the symptoms then.

Pauliina

[trcn]

You probably know but just in case.. are you sure the rice milk is gluten free? Some of them are processed with barley.

Otherwise it could just be the withdrawal.

As to yeast... you'll probably know after you've been everything else free for a while, since it will be easier to notice the symptoms then.

Pauliina

I am drinking Pacific Low Fat Rice Milk and Low Fat Vanilla Rice Milk. Their website states they are gluten free. Does anyone know otherwise? I do feel like I'm being glutened (heavy head and arms in morning, extreme fatigue, sinus pressure, but my classic gluten symptom is severe itching of scalp, face and arms and that's not happening now).

I'm going to chalk it up to withdrawal and check very carefully for possible gluten sources with new foods I have purchased for GFCFSF recipes. I tried searching this topic on the board, but didn't have much luck. If anyone else had withdrawal from casein and soy, would you share?

Thank you.

Tracy

[Wonka]

There can be withdrawl symptoms....particularly with casein. This is very common in autistic children when first removing gluten and casein from the diet. The symptoms are caused by the sudden decrease in opiates. If you are addicted to these foods you can go through a withdrawl period. Its not "die-off" as that would involve some type of treatment which is targeting yeast, bacteria or some other pathogenic organism.

Also, if you're adding new foods into your diet as replacements for casein and soy...it could be that you are reacting negatively to those foods. I actually had more problems with some of the new "additions" such as buckwheat, amaranth, quinoa, etc....then I ever had with gluten. I also had more problems with milk substitutes.....such as almond milk, rice milk and soy milk. I guess I'm kind of backwards but thats the way it went for me. Some of those things were worse for me than gluten and casein.

Soy is something that I dont tolerate at all.

I can't tolerate rice,soy or almond milks either (as well as most commercial icecreams). For me it turned out to be a sensitivity to carrageenan. If I buy rice milk without it, or Haagen Dazs icecream, I'm fine.

[trcn]

I can't tolerate rice,soy or almond milks either (as well as most commercial icecreams). For me it turned out to be a sensitivity to carrageenan. If I buy rice milk without it, or Haagen Dazs icecream, I'm fine.

After a few more days of posting the question about die-off effect I woke up refreshed and ready to go... what a difference. I did find much anecdotal confirmation of the withdrawal and some objective reports of the opiate release that occurs with casein and the withdrawal that happens when it is removed from the diet.

I am reacting now to even small amounts of caffeine (yes, coffee is still on my menu), so here comes the next intolerance.

Tracy