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Should I Detox?

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Did anybody do a detox at the start of this and do you think it would be beneficial to the system?

I'm new at this :unsure: and would love to hear your experience...

Thanks.

Sandi

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There have been long discussions about detox products, and the general consensus seems to be that it's probably not a good idea. Some do feel it helps though, so you may want to try searching the board and see what you find.

I think it's better to just give the gut a rest, give it plenty of nutrients, easy to digest, natural foods, and time to heal.

ang1e0251 Contributor
ang1e0251
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If your problems are strongly digestive, it might be too harsh for your damaged system. I wouldn't have done it the way I felt but you must decide for yourself.

YoloGx Rookie
YoloGx
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Depends on what you mean by detox. I have found a gentle herbal detox does help a lot as well as things like marshmallow root and slippery elm plus the usual enzymes, probiotics, minerals, b vitamins, D, E etc. The herbs I have used are dandelion root alternated with milk thistle for detoxing. Just use the caps or make a brew say with licorice root if you have low blood pressure. I find these two detox herbs very helpful for the liver which often suffers due to likely leaky gut caused by too long exposure to gluten. Don't take continuously however and don't take if you have D. Other helpful herbs can be Oregon Grape Root alternated with Yellow Dock. Both systemics which do help heal the gut. Again don't take if you have D however... An occasional sauna can only help as long as you don't stay in too long, daily walks, eating lots of greens, doing some kind of exercise that gets your heart going aerobically all make a huge difference. This is a gradual detox rather than going off all food etc. Though as many here have suggested if you just go on the cave man diet and avoid all grains as well as sugar and most dairy and fried anything at first also really helps heal the digestive system as well as a lot else. This too could constitute a "detox" in some eyes...

Nevertheless I agree a strenuous detox with a complete fast might be too much...esp. at first.

Bea

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Depends on what you mean by detox. I have found a gentle herbal detox does help a lot as well as things like marshmallow root and slippery elm plus the usual enzymes, probiotics, minerals, b vitamins, D, E etc. The herbs I have used are dandelion root alternated with milk thistle for detoxing. Just use the caps or make a brew say with licorice root if you have low blood pressure. I find these two detox herbs very helpful for the liver which often suffers due to likely leaky gut caused by too long exposure to gluten. Don't take continuously however and don't take if you have D. Other helpful herbs can be Oregon Grape Root alternated with Yellow Dock. Both systemics which do help heal the gut. Again don't take if you have D however... An occasional sauna can only help as long as you don't stay in too long, daily walks, eating lots of greens, doing some kind of exercise that gets your heart going aerobically all make a huge difference. This is a gradual detox rather than going off all food etc. Though as many here have suggested if you just go on the cave man diet and avoid all grains as well as sugar and most dairy and fried anything at first also really helps heal the digestive system as well as a lot else. This too could constitute a "detox" in some eyes...

Nevertheless I agree a strenuous detox with a complete fast might be too much...esp. at first.

Bea

Thank you so much for the comments. I wasn't planning a strenuous detox (I did that a few years ago and will NEVER do that again - Ouch!). I'm going to look for the herbs you mentioned - you gave me exactly what I was looking for.

Today makes a full week eating gluten free and I can say I feel a little better. The bloating and stomach aches are not nearly as bad and I've noticed I haven't had any D for a week (oops TMI). :P . I know it takes time and I'm definitely looking forward to getting rid of the brain fog, muscle pain, major fatigue, malaise, and just plain feeling lousy.

Thanks again! I really appreciate this forum. It's amazing how many people are suffering with this easily fixable problem - if they just knew how...

YoloGx Rookie
YoloGx
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Am glad my comments helped. Ive learned a lot from herbals. You might want to check some out. Try to stay away from anything that is a stimulant since celiac indicates one already has an overactive immune system.

Actually its one reason I question using caffeine and chocolate. Certainly they don't work for me, however they seem to be fine for many here in the forums.

Good luck!

Bea

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