Interesting Article

[Bette]

Here is a link to an article that I found interesting. It is written by a veterinarian who suffers from Celiac disease (I believe he has even written some articles for the newsletter).

The article is long, but he has an amazing message he is trying to get out

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If link does not work, the website is dogtorJ.com, the article is under the link food intolerance -new ,Food Intolerance- Man and Animals versus Gluten, Casein, Soy, and Corn

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[Guest BellyTimber]

Thank you for reminding me of the newsletters. One of the main reasons the Amazon forest - the world's lung - is being cleared is to plant soya which this author says is not a normal part of the oriental diet except as a condiment.

Clearance proceeds by an area the size of Belgium or Wales each decade - or was it each year (from a newspaper item I don't have any more). You folks have flagged up lots of alternative flours and ingredients I could use and enjoy (I don't happen to get on with soy as it happens).

[lotusgem]

Hi Bette,

it was rather a long article and I confess that I just skimmed it. I believe that he felt that he was delivering a hopeful message, but to be honest, I found it to be depressing. I already have to do without gluten and casein, and to cut out soy and corn as well would double the restrictiveness of my already restrictive diet. My family has, so far been very supportive in that they eat the same way that I do, but if I were to omit the additional food products containing soy and corn, I'm afraid that the atmosphere here would become mutinous!

Paula

[Guest BellyTimber]

Paula,

We need to listen to our bodies. I'm grateful for my corn! The forest clearance is not our doing! I don't refrain from using soy when it is a minor ingredient but just don't like it as a main one, and don't add it to anything when cooking.

I think the article is right except for a tendency to not differentiate how individuals should strategise their individual recoveries.

We all vary immensely in the different areas in which we are "not too far gone" and where we can therefore capitalise on them.

[lotusgem]

Thanks, Michael for the kind words. We don't eat beef, so maybe in our own little way we are helping preserve the rain forest?

Paula

[John B. Symes, D.V.M.]

Hi Y'all,

Sorry if you found the paper you mentioned above "depressing". It IS meant to be a hopeful message, of course. But, limiting ones diet to reach optimal wellness can be TOUGH, as we have all experienced as celiacs. The good news is that more people can tolerate corn than they can gluten. Its all about the strength of the "glue", the way I see it now. They can put metal together with gluten, casein, and soy but the best corn can do is hold cardboard boxes together. BUT, if you put "corn gluten meal" in your serach engine, you will see how they use it to KILL other plants. Yes, corn gluten meal is a "natural" herbicide. Oh oh. What else do we eat that kills other living things. Hmmm...

I first contacted Scott here at Celiac.com to share my first year of frenetic medical research following my diagnosis and subsequent research and recovery. But, I got weary of hearing about celiacs who were beating their heads against the wall by being totally gluten free but not knowing that casein, soy and corn can all do the same thing. Granted, not everyone is afflicted with all four intolerances. BUT, you could be or any combination thereof. We KNOW that at least 50% of celiacs are also casein intolerant. I could easily believe itr is much higher, since cow milk is the number one human, dog, and cat allergen. Wheat is "only" number two.

But soy??? My advice to anyone...anyone...is to RUN from soy, especially women. I'm not sure how they can tell you in one breath that HRT is bad (finally!!!) but then turn around and tell you that one of the richest sources of estrogen from food is GOOD for you. The epidemiological data of what soy is doing to us, especially our young children, is very obvious. So, please keep reading about soy. Dr. Mercola has covered that well on his site (www.mercola.com).

I write a lot on other celiac forums and it is amazing how many celiac people have recovered when they stopped eating corn. It has been a HUGE problem in pets, especially what we have done to corn over the past 10 years.

So far, I have been able to only find 4 "foods" that induce villous atrophy (FIVE if you include CHICKEN. Yes, chicken has now shown up on a few lists. Guess we made a big mistake pouring the wheat to chickens in the factory farms. ERRRRH) The big 4 (or the "four horsemen of the apocalypse" as I lovingly call them) are gluten, casein, soy, and corn. Amazingly simple...until you try to get rid of them from your diet, eh?

Keep fighting the good fight!

John

PS. Seriously, if you are still having gluten reactions and can't figure out why, pay attention to how chicken makes you feel. We have demonstrated on the Brain Talk Communities site (Mass General) that chicken does affect some celiacs...the "worst of the worst"... quite negatively. Turkey would be the same as they are now both fed LOTS of wheat. The good news is that (I certainly believe) if you are eliminating as many of the "big four" that YOU personally need to eliminate then these traces in chicken and turkey are not so critical. But, if you are casein, soy, or corn intolerant or a mix of the three and you haven't addressed THOSE issues, then you are destined to continue to overtly react to these small traces of gluten. (Our immune system has its thresholds that must be exceeded, otherwise we'd be sick with things like allergic reactions ALL of the time.) So, I would consider the other three food intolerances before I would settle for a less than perfect response to a valiant attempt at the gluten-free diet.

[Guest BellyTimber]

I've noticed for many years now, chicken and turkey are things I don't get on with, interesting that "you are what you eat" even applies to them!!!

[Jnkmnky]

Ok. I read the first link and followed by reading "The Answer". I liked what I read and appreciated all the research that guy must have had to do in order to back up what he thinks is going on in our diets. Personally, I preferred "The Answer". I'm thinking this all through and may decide to eliminate dairy altogether in the future. I have that feeling when you just get handed a truck full of information and you have to take a moment to decide what you're going to do with this new info.... It's a lot to think about.

[Guest nini]

I cannot tolerate commercially raised chicken or turkey. I have violent reactions to it. However, I switched to only eating "clean" meat... Organic Free Range Chicken and Turkey with nothing added... I have NO reactions from them and SURPRISE SURPRISE, They actually taste BETTER!!!!

[Jnkmnky]

I really liked the articles, especially The Answer. It was compelling reading for anyone, not just Celiacs. Anyway, I'm curious why there are no credentials listed for the Dogtor. He mentioned having attended a good college and assured the reader that he is a professional. I'm just feeling the lack of specifics in THAT area.

[cornbread]

Sorry to bump this - I found it a very interesting post, particularly as I have noticed my own food intolerances develop in exactly the same order and with matching severity as he details: gluten (most severe reaction) --> casein --> soy --> corn (least severe reaction).

I read the 'gluten intolerance and your pet' and 'Food Intolerance- Man and Animal versus Gluten, Casein, Soy and Corn' papers and am now reading the other one ('The Answer'). Does anyone know if he's published any of this stuff in book form? I would love to send it to relatives who won't get tested for gluten issues.

[Bette]

[Rachel--24]

I didnt read the article...just skimmed through this thread.

I already dont eat gluten...obviously.

I dont eat casien for now and I hardly eat soy since I have thyroid disease which makes soy bad for me anyways.

I just recently started noticing when I eat corn tortillas I dont feel too great...I think its hard for me to digest right now? I'm hardly eating corn now too...but lots of stuff I eat contains corn syrup. Is this the same as eating corn?

I dont show up with intolerances to anything but gluten in tests but I just try to listen to my body.

[cornbread]

He now has contact info on his site, and reveals his identitiy in full It won't let me post a direct link to the page because his new site has t-r-i-p-o-d in the address! But there is a link from the site mentioned above.

So have you completely eliminated corn, or just cut back on its use?

I had kept 'testing' myself with corn, but every time I got instant bloating and intestinal discomfort (followed by a massive appetite and cravings for more corn!!). I would look like a stick figure drawing of a pregnant person! I used to just think this was something to deal with if I wanted to eat corn badly enough, but now I'm beginning to understand that this is my body warning me about something, so I don't want to push it. I only get this problem if I eat something that is predominantly corn, ie: corn tortilla, corn chips, or gluten-free cookies made with a lot of corn syrup. So right now I'm cutting those kind of items out so that I can still eat things that have a little bit of corn syrup in. I'm hoping if I don't overdo it I won't get too allergic. I don't want to have to look for corn as a cross-contamination problem the way I have to with gluten. Right now it's a sensitivity rather than an intolerance, which is good. I am also in a similar position with soy - if I eat something majorly soy I get sick (GI for a couple of days), but I can still handle a little dark chocolate with soy lethicin every now and then.

[Bette]

Rachel

Heres a couple of links about corn syrup ,doesn't sound too healthy after you read it

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Hope that helps

Cornbread

I always thought having to unbutton my pants after eating popcorn was okay (ha -ha),

I honestly tried to rationalize this by believing it was all the fiber in the popcorn. I am seriously addicted to it, too. I literally crave, corn on the cob, popcorn, tortillas etc.

[cornbread]

I hear ya... that's why my name is cornbread after all!