Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

New Diagnosis: Dh Without Celiacs, After Being Diagnosed With Both For 20 Years


33 in Ca Celiacs and DH

Recommended Posts

33 in Ca Celiacs and DH Rookie

Does anyone else have DH and negative for Celiacs? I was diagnosed With Celiacs and DH for the last 20 years.. Although I do have the bloating, constipation, achy joints, iron deficient.. I am not/have not been gluten-free since 2000 (for 6 months).

A new Dr recently suggested that I have the blood work to see if I truly do have Celiacs, and to our suprise, the test came back negative.

I do, however, absolutely have DH. I take 100 mg of Dapsone daily and if I miss a dose by just a few hours, I get blisters on my face, shoulders and under my butt. :(

I am having a gastro-intestinal biopsy Monday.

Does anyone else have DH but not Celiacs? My Dr said it is possible but that goes against everything any other Dr. Has told me?!?!

Please help clarify... Deeply confused!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Jestgar Rising Star

DH IS a diagnoses of celiac disease. Your doctor is misinformed.

Bubba's Mom Enthusiast

I have Celiac and my blood test was negative. My diagnoses was done via biopsy, just as yours was diagnosed by your DH. The thought that you can eat gluten is very harmful! :o

sreese68 Enthusiast

Unfortunately, the false negative rate for bloodwork is much higher than what a lot of doctors think. My own GI said it had an accuracy rate of 98%! (which is quite wrong! And he was wrong about other details of celiac.) Good thing my neurologist said that he sees false negatives all the time and to pursue things further. Anyway, I had negative bloodwork, but I definitely have celiacs.

eatmeat4good Enthusiast

Peter Green wrote Celiac A Hidden Epidemic and in it he says DH patients often test negative for Celiac, however they are often the most sensitive to cross contamination and have a higher incidence of lymphomas and other cancers secondary to Celiac. I wouldn't believe your Dr. on that one. A negative blood test does not mean you don't have Celiac. A diagnosis of DH DOES mean that you have Celiac.

Roda Rising Star

I agree with the other posters. If you have a diagnosis of DH then it is a diagnosis of celiac.

JoshB Apprentice

"Accurate" isn't very well defined. Let's say the "blood test" in this case maybe EMA-IgG is very specific but not very sensitive. If it says you have celiac then you have it. Unfortunately there's a 10% or so chance that if you have celiac disease it might not tell you about it.

In any case, it's all the same in the end, right? You can't eat gluten. What's the point in arguing with your doc? Is there something riding on the celiac disease diagnosis over the DH diagnosis?


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



kareng Grand Master

Have you thought about eating gluten-free to clear the DH up? It usually gets rid of the DH. No reason to take that medicine. Seems irresponsible of the docs to keep prescribing medication all these years.

33 in Ca Celiacs and DH Rookie

Thank you for all of the insight.. I was hopeful that I didn't have Celiacs as I have never been very good about sticking to the diet and more importantly, it seems there is so much more at risk with Celiacs (specifically Cancer, miscarriages (I've had 1) and/or fertility). I am not symptomatic other than bloated belly/gas and constipation. I do get blisters within 30 minutes of not taking Dapsone at my normal time... So it seems it's a no- brainer that I have DH.

I was thinking (probably not smart), that there was a possibility that I wouldn't have to watch what I eat as long as I continue to take the dapsone.

On another note, does anyone else take Dapsone for DH? I haven't found much research on the risk/harm that Dapsone causes after long periods of time. Any insight on this would be great!

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - Hmart replied to Hmart's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      11

      Is this celiac?

    2. - knitty kitty replied to Trish G's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      7

      Fiber Supplement

    3. - knitty kitty replied to kpf's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      14

      ttg iga high (646 mg/dl) other results are normal

    4. - Trish G replied to Trish G's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      7

      Fiber Supplement

    5. - Wheatwacked replied to Larzipan's topic in Related Issues & Disorders
      36

      Has anyone had terrible TMJ/ Jaw Pain from undiagnosed Celiac?


  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):



  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,345
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    GFBB95
    Newest Member
    GFBB95
    Joined

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):


  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):





  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):



  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Hmart
      Hello again. Thank you for the responses to date. I have had several follow-ups and wanted to share what I’ve learned. About a month after my initial blood test and going gluten free, my TtG went from 8.1 to 1.8. I have learned that my copper is low and my B6 is high. My other vitamins and nutrients are more or less in range. After I glutened myself on 10/24, I have been strict about being gluten free - so about a month. I have been eating dairy free and low FODMAP as well because it’s what my stomach allows. Baked fish, potatoes, rice, etc. Whole foods and limited Whole foods. I have continued to lose weight but it has slowed down, but a total of about 15 pounds since I went gluten free. Along with stomach pain, my symptoms included nausea, body and joint pain, a burning sensation throughout my body and heart rate spikes. I still have them but I have them less now. These are the symptoms that led to my doctor appointments and subsequent diagnosis. I also did the DNA screening and was positive. So, at this point, the answer is yes, I have celiac. I have two questions for this group. Any ideas on why my enteropathy was so severe (marsh 3B) and my TtG was so minimal? Is that common? Or are there other things to consider with that combo? And this recovery, still having pain and other symptoms a month later (7 weeks gluten free and 4 weeks after the glutening) normal? I’m going to continue down this path of bland foods and trying to heal but would love to understand the reasons for the long journey. I read so much about people who stop eating gluten and feel amazing. I wish that was my experience but it certainly hasn’t been. Thank you again!
    • knitty kitty
      @Trish G,  I like dates, they have lots if fiber as well.  But what I found helped most was taking Thiamine (in the form Benfotiamine which helps promote intestinal healing), Pyridoxine B 6, Riboflavin B 2, and magnesium, and Omega Three fats. The absorption of nutrients is affected by Celiac disease which damages the intestinal lining of the small intestines where our nutrients are absorbed.  If you have constipation, where your body is rather pushing your food away and not interacting with it, the nutrients in the food are not being released and absorbed.  You can develop deficiencies in all the vitamins and minerals necessary for the body to function properly.   The B vitamins cannot be stored for long, so they must be replenished daily.  Thiamine B 1 stores can run out in as little as three days.  Constipation (or diarrhea or alternating) is one of the first symptoms of thiamine deficiency.  Thiamine needs magnesium, Pyridoxine B 6, and Riboflavin B 2 to make the intestinal tract function.  Thiamine and Niacin make digestive enzymes.  Thiamine provides the energy for nerve impulses to carry messages to the brain and back about digestion.  Thiamine provides the energy for the muscle contractions which move your food through the digestive tract. High calorie meals containing lots of starches and sugars can deplete thiamine stores quickly because more thiamine is required to turn them into energy.   Are you taking any vitamin and mineral supplements?  Correction of malnutrition is very important in Celiac disease.  Thiamine, the other B vitamins and magnesium will help with constipation better than adding more fiber.  What did your nutritionist recommend you take, besides just the fiber? The association between dietary vitamin B1 intake and constipation: a population-based study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11100033/ Thiamine, gastrointestinal beriberi and acetylcholine signaling https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12014454/ Association between dietary vitamin B6 intake and constipation: a population-based study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11584952/
    • knitty kitty
      @kpf, Were you eating ten grams or more of gluten daily in the month preceding your antibody blood tests? TTg IgA antibodies are made in the intestines.  Ten grams of gluten per day for several weeks before testing is required to provoke sufficient antibody production for the antibodies to leave the intestines and enter the blood stream and be measured in blood tests. If you had already gone gluten free or if you had lowered your consumption of gluten before testing, your results will be inaccurate and inconclusive.   See link below on gluten challenge guidelines. Have you had any genetic testing done to see if you carry genes for Celiac disease?  If you don't have genes for Celiac, look elsewhere for a diagnosis.  But if you have Celiac genes, you cannot rule out Celiac disease. You mentioned in another post that you are vegetarian.  Have you been checked for nutritional deficiencies?  The best sources of the eight essential B vitamins are found in meats.  Do you supplement any of the B vitamins as a vegetarian? Deficiency in Thiamine Vitamin B 1 is strongly associated with anemia which can cause false negatives on antibody tests.  Fatigue, numbness or tingling in extremities, difficulty with coordination, headaches and anemia are strongly associated with thiamine deficiency.  Other B vitamins that contribute to those symptoms are Riboflavin B 2, Pyridoxine B 6, Folate B 9 and B12 Cobalamine.  The eight B vitamins all work together with minerals like magnesium and iron.  So your symptoms are indicative of B vitamin deficiencies.  You can develop vitamin and mineral deficiencies just being a vegetarian and not eating good sources of B vitamins like meat.  B vitamin deficiencies are found in Celiac due to the malabsorption of nutrients because the lining of the intestines gets damaged by the antibodies produced in response to gluten.    
    • Trish G
      Thanks, I'm not a big fan of prunes but did add them back after stopping the Benefiber. Hoping for the best while I wait to hear back from Nutritionist for a different fiber supplement.  Thanks again
    • Wheatwacked
      If you were wondering why milk protein bothers you with Celiac Disease.  Commercial dairies supplement the cow feed with wheat, which becomes incorporated in the milk protein. Milk omega 6 to omega 3 ratio: Commercial Dairies: 5:1 Organic Milk: 3:1 Grass fed milk: 1:1
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.