Jump to content

  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.



  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):

    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Help With Cd Link To Schizophrenia

PsyDbound

By PsyDbound
in Related Issues & Disorders

Recommended Posts

PsyDbound Newbie
PsyDbound
Posted

I am currently doing reserch on gut permibility and shizophrenia.I don't quite understand the celular process after penetration of the mucosa. I would appriciate any help in getting a clear picture of the transition from anti-gliden to abnormality of the t-cell and the brain connection. Please keep in mind that I am Psych trained and not medical.

Thanks for you time,

Christina

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


MySuicidalTurtle Enthusiast
MySuicidalTurtle
Posted

I hate to seem daft, but I think you would get more help by explaining what you need in other words.

PsyDbound Newbie
PsyDbound
Posted
  • Author

Sorry, my bad. Im just having a hard time with the physiology of celiac disease after it has damaged the villi. I know that malabsorbtion is a problem but I don't understand what is being tranfered past the gut wall to the t-cells and what they have to do with schizophrenia. I am sorry if this isn't clear but I really dont understand it myself. Also, if I have misunderstood the whole villi breaking part please correct me.

Thanks,

Christina

Carriefaith Enthusiast
Carriefaith
Posted

I have read in the book Wheat Free Worry free: The Art of Happy, Healthy Gluten-Free Living by Danna Korn that celiac and schizophrenia may be related. I believe that there is a section in the book on this topic.

MySuicidalTurtle Enthusiast
MySuicidalTurtle
Posted

I never thought about the two being connected but I can see how they could be, along with other disorders. Very interesting stuff.

FaithInScienceToo Contributor
FaithInScienceToo
Posted

Quick reply...

Here is a link for a the discussion of this topic - There are numerous references contained in it - perhaps there is something there for you?

Open Original Shared Link

Good luck,

Gina

PsyDbound Newbie
PsyDbound
Posted
  • Author

Thanks for the info, its great and coincides with what I have been researching. I think I may need to confer with a physiologist because I still don't understand what happens on a cellular level. Is seems quite confusing.

Thanks again,

Christina

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):

Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):


Maggie1956 Rookie
Maggie1956
Posted

Hmmmm, very interesting. <_< My sister is a schizophrenic, and she also has trouble in her gut. She recently tested negative to celiac, but I still think she may be gluten intolerant. I'm not sure how accurate the test was either.

Give us an update when you find out more.

mommida Enthusiast
mommida
Posted

Have you looked into the studies that show calcifications of the brain in Celiac patients?

  • 2 weeks later...
Guest BellyTimber
Guest BellyTimber
Posted

As a parallel to this may I suggest Paul Shattock, Paul Whiteley and Dawn Savery who have published the following titles about their work at the Autism Research Unit, School of Health Sciences, University of Sunderland, Sunderland, SR2 7EE, U.K.:

- Autism as a metabolic disorder: guidelines for gluten and casein free dietary intervention

- Autism as a metabolic disorder

- Guidelines for the implementation of a gluten and/or casein free diet with people with autism or associated spectrum disorders

I would be surprised if you didn't find the biochemistry mentioned in these of some interest.

Let us know how you get on - we'll try to follow your terminology!

Michael

Ruth UK Newbie
Ruth UK
Posted

Michael,

I am honestly NOT stalking you. It's just that it's great to have someone from the UK here who is obviously very well read! May I be cheeky enough to enquire what your profession is? (Obviously, don't reply to this if you don't wish to.)

I may have already mentioned this in another post to you, but my lad has ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome and dyspraxia, and in connection with this I would agree with you that the work taking place at the ARU is VERY interesting. My son tested +ve on their tests for 'gluten and casein insensitivity'.

No doubt will speak to you again:)

LUAP Newbie
LUAP
Posted

THE ANSWER FOR THE GUT PERMEABILITY IS GIVEN BY DOUG KAUFMANN IN THE FUNGUS LINK.

I HAVE'NT READ ANYWHERE THAT THERE WAS ABNORMALITY WITH T CELLS...T CELLS ARE PRESENT WHEN SOMETHING DANGEROUS IS PRESENT...

LET TALK ABOUT GLIADIN (MEMBER OF THE GLUTEN GROUP).

THE PEPTID THEORY SAYS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH GLUTEN IS THE SIZE OF THE PROTEIN. THE VERY LONG AMINO ACID CHAIN. RESEARCH ARE CONDUCT ON ENZYMES THAT COULD HELP BREAK THAT HEAVY AMINO ACID CHAIN.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE LONG CHAIN...THE LONGEST IT IS, THE MORE THERE IS GLUTAMIC ACID.

GLUTAMINE, MSG, GLUTAMIC ACID...NATURALY PRESENT IN FOOD. GRAINS CONTAINS ALOT OF IT, ALONG WITH TOMATOES, BEETS, AND OTHERS.

REFERS TO THE BOOK: EXCITOTOXINS, THE TASTE THAT KILLS.

IN THOSES 2 BOOKS, YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWER YOU NEED...IN MY OPINION.

PAUL

PsyDbound Newbie
PsyDbound
Posted
  • Author

Thank you so much for all of your help and support. I am now completing my research and will post a link to my findings. Again, you have all been so helpful.

FYI I have a Mom, 3 sisters and a brother all with celiac disease (thats out of 12 kids and not all have been tested yet). After writing this research I am convinced testing for celiac disease should be universially accepted and preformed before age five.

Thanks,

Christina

PsyDbound Newbie
PsyDbound
Posted
  • Author

I finished my research and would be happy to e-mail my findings and refrences. Below is a link to a very significant study by William Eaton for the British Medical Journal.

Thanks again for all the great ideas!

Christina

Open Original Shared Link

Guest BellyTimber
Guest BellyTimber
Posted

Ruth

Didn't think you were.

Not working in any related field.

Over the decades my body has talked to me bit by bit about neurology and metabolism leading me to other sources of information. The spirit leading through the body. Making better sense of my life history (so far).

I get little pieces or batches of thoughts together & can express them all in one but the general skill of information organising comes very difficult to me, a kind of dyslexia I think. My having hyperfocussed on words since an early age and excellent spelling and handwriting masked that to "experts"!

Despite so much of my life being behind me fortunately I still have my life ahead of me in some tantalisingly unknown ways...

Michael

:P

Guest BellyTimber
Guest BellyTimber
Posted

Paul,

The various causes and effects of diseases are like one of those gangs that put forward a different "suspect" every time one goes to pursue ones "enquiries" among them.

(probably not a good metaphor)

Regards

Michael

judy05 Apprentice
judy05
Posted

Michael,

When you mentioned "dyslexia" a little "bell" went off in my head. In preparing for

my thyroidectomy my endo doc gave me a book to read about endocrine diseases in which the author, a doctor from New York City, explained about a syndrome, group of diseases, which seem to occur in many individuals. It seems when one organ fails, such as the pancreas, diabetes occur. This in turn leads to another endocrine failure, such as thyroiditis or Grave's disease. His point was that these diseases are all related. Some other related diseases were Celiac, Dyslexia, and

prematurely gray hair?? I wish I could remember the title or the author, I lent it to

someone and never got it back. It seems to be true because my family has each

examples of each one of these.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):



    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):



  • Recent Activity

    1. Aretaeus Cappadocia
      - Aretaeus Cappadocia posted a topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      0

      Brown Rice Vinegar (organic) from Eden Foods is likely gluten free

      Traditional brown rice vinegars are made by fermenting brown rice and water with koji (Kōji 麹). The gluten risk comes from the method of preparing the koji: rice, wheat or barley may be used. Regardless of the starting grain, "koji" typically will be listed as an ingredient, and that term alone does not indicate gluten status. I called Eden Foods re...
    2. Scott Adams
      - Scott Adams replied to wellthatsfun's topic in Gluten-Free Recipes & Cooking Tips
      1

      heaps of hope!

      Your post nails the practical reality of living well with a celiac diagnosis. The shift from feeling restricted to discovering a new world of cooking—whether through a supportive partner making gluten-free spanakopita and gravy, or learning to cook for yourself—is exactly how many people find their footing. It turns a medical necessity into a chance to bui...
    3. Scott Adams
      - Scott Adams replied to Jordan Carlson's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      2

      Fruits & Veggies

      You are experiencing a remarkable recovery by addressing core nutrient deficiencies, yet you've uncovered a deeper, lifelong intolerance to fruits and vegetables that appears to be a distinct issue from celiac disease. Your experience points strongly toward a separate condition, likely Oral Allergy Syndrome (OAS) or a non-IgE food intolerance, such as salicylate...
    4. Scott Adams
      - Scott Adams replied to yellowstone's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Cold/flu or gluten poisoning?

      Your satiation is challenging and a common dilemma for those with celiac disease or non-celiac gluten sensitivity: distinguishing between a routine viral illness and a reaction to gluten exposure. The overlap in symptoms—fatigue, malaise, body aches, and general inflammation—makes it nearly impossible to tell them apart in the moment, especially with a h...
    5. Scott Adams
      - Scott Adams replied to hjayne19's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      1

      Celiac Screening

      Your situation highlights a difficult but critical crossroads in celiac diagnosis. While your positive blood test (a high TTG-IgA of 66.6) and dramatic improvement on a gluten-free diet strongly point to celiac disease, the gastroenterologist is following the formal protocol which requires an endoscopy/biopsy for official confirmation. This confirmation is...
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):

  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,091
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748
    Condon
    Newest Member
    Condon
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):

  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • Aretaeus Cappadocia
      Brown Rice Vinegar (organic) from Eden Foods is likely gluten free

      By Aretaeus Cappadocia · Posted

      Traditional brown rice vinegars are made by fermenting brown rice and water with koji (Kōji 麹). The gluten risk comes from the method of preparing the koji: rice, wheat or barley may be used. Regardless of the starting grain, "koji" typically will be listed as an ingredient, and that term alone does not indicate gluten status. I called Eden Foods regarding their product "Organic Brown Rice Vinegar" (product of Japan) to ask how their product is made. They gave me a clear answer that they >do< use rice and they >do not< use wheat or barley in preparing their koji. FWIW, the product itself does not contain any labeling about gluten, gluten risk, or gluten safety. Based on Eden's statement, I am going to trust that this product is gluten safe and use it.
    • Scott Adams
      heaps of hope!

      By Scott Adams · Posted

      Your post nails the practical reality of living well with a celiac diagnosis. The shift from feeling restricted to discovering a new world of cooking—whether through a supportive partner making gluten-free spanakopita and gravy, or learning to cook for yourself—is exactly how many people find their footing. It turns a medical necessity into a chance to build kitchen skills, eat more whole foods, and actually enjoy the process. Your point that the basics—knife skills, food safety, and experimenting with spices—are all you really need is solid, helpful advice. It’s a good reminder that the diagnosis, while a pain, doesn’t have to stop you from eating well or having fun with food.
    • Scott Adams
      Fruits & Veggies

      By Scott Adams · Posted

      You are experiencing a remarkable recovery by addressing core nutrient deficiencies, yet you've uncovered a deeper, lifelong intolerance to fruits and vegetables that appears to be a distinct issue from celiac disease. Your experience points strongly toward a separate condition, likely Oral Allergy Syndrome (OAS) or a non-IgE food intolerance, such as salicylate or histamine intolerance. The instant burning, heart palpitations, and anxiety you describe are classic systemic reactions to food chemicals, not typical celiac reactions. It makes perfect sense that your body rejected these foods from birth; the gagging was likely a neurological reflex to a perceived toxin. Now that your gut has healed, you're feeling the inflammatory response internally instead. The path forward involves targeted elimination: try cooking fruits and vegetables (which often breaks down the problematic proteins/chemicals), focus on low-histamine and low-salicylate options (e.g., peeled pears, zucchini), and consider working with an allergist or dietitian specializing in food chemical intolerances. 
    • Scott Adams
      Cold/flu or gluten poisoning?

      By Scott Adams · Posted

      Your satiation is challenging and a common dilemma for those with celiac disease or non-celiac gluten sensitivity: distinguishing between a routine viral illness and a reaction to gluten exposure. The overlap in symptoms—fatigue, malaise, body aches, and general inflammation—makes it nearly impossible to tell them apart in the moment, especially with a hypersensitive system. This ambiguity is a significant source of anxiety. The key differentiator often lies in the symptom pattern and accompanying signs: gluten reactions frequently include distinct digestive upset (bloating, diarrhea), neurological symptoms like "brain fog," or a specific rash (dermatitis herpetiformis), and they persist without the respiratory symptoms (runny nose, sore throat) typical of a cold. Tracking your symptoms meticulously after any exposure and during illnesses can help identify your personal patterns. Ultimately, your experience underscores the reality that for a sensitive body, any immune stressor—be it gluten or a virus—can trigger a severe and similar inflammatory cascade, making vigilant management of your diet all the more critical. Have you had a blood panel done for celiac disease? This article might be helpful. It breaks down each type of test, and what a positive results means in terms of the probability that you might have celiac disease. One test that always needs to be done is the IgA Levels/Deficiency Test (often called "Total IGA") because some people are naturally IGA deficient, and if this is the case, then certain blood tests for celiac disease might be false-negative, and other types of tests need to be done to make an accurate diagnosis. The article includes the "Mayo Clinic Protocol," which is the best overall protocol for results to be ~98% accurate.    
    • Scott Adams
      Celiac Screening

      By Scott Adams · Posted

      Your situation highlights a difficult but critical crossroads in celiac diagnosis. While your positive blood test (a high TTG-IgA of 66.6) and dramatic improvement on a gluten-free diet strongly point to celiac disease, the gastroenterologist is following the formal protocol which requires an endoscopy/biopsy for official confirmation. This confirmation is important for your lifelong medical record, can rule out other issues, and is often needed for family screening eligibility. The conflicting advice from your doctors creates understandable anxiety. The challenge, of course, is the "gluten challenge"—reintroducing gluten for 4-6 weeks to make the biopsy accurate. Since your symptoms resolved, this will likely make you feel unwell again. You must weigh the short-term hardship against the long-term certainty of a concrete diagnosis. A key discussion to have with your GI doctor is whether, given your clear serology and clinical response, would be getting a diagnosis without the biopsy.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.