Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Neurological Connections To Celiac


gemerald

Recommended Posts

gemerald Newbie

Hello. I'm a new poster in the forums, but I've read lots of comments in this forum before through Google searches and found the information here to be really helpful.

 

I was diagnosed with celiac about two and a half years ago. I'm 100% gluten free, and have been since my diagnosis (with a handful of unintentional exceptions, mainly early on).

 

As soon as I started the gluten-free diet I began feeling so much better. Within a month my migraines with aura and chronic diarrhea went away completely. I thought this was finally the answer to everything! But about a year ago I started to get new symptoms, including numbness, weakness, blurry vision, poor balance (I've fallen to the floor a couple of times), memory problems, speech problems, and extreme fatigue. They didn't all start at once, but progressed gradually one at a time. My doctor ruled out several things, including vitamin deficiencies (a few levels were borderline, but that was fixed with supplements), thyroid issues, and diabetes.

 

I'm now seeing a neurologist because my doctor suspects something neurological. I've had a clear brain MRI, but the neuro hasn't ruled out MS yet. I'm waiting on results on a spinal MRI, and blood work for lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and a specific type of cancer.

 

I have a couple of questions.

Could these symptoms possibly be related to celiac, and is it even possible to develop new symptoms of celiac after going gluten free? Also, the neuro might want to do a spinal tap. I've read that celiac can cause the same banding signs in spinal fluid as MS, but is that only for people who aren't strictly following a gluten-free diet?

 

The neuro also suggested anxiety as a cause, but he's focusing less on that now that I've had some physical tests that point towards something neurological. When I was still eating gluten I got frequent anxiety and occasional panic attacks, but I haven't had any of that since a few months after going gluten free. Could years of gluten-related anxiety, and also migraines, cause permanent neurological damage? I doubt it, but thought it was worth asking.

 

Thanks in advance for any answers. I'm a little impatient waiting for these test results, and my neuro is admittedly not an expert in celiac.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



nvsmom Community Regular

I would doubt that celiac disease is causing new symptoms after two and a half years gluten-free but there could be ongoing problems from damage done to the body by celiac disease that is not going to get better.  Neurological issues seem to be the ones that often linger after someone has gone gluten-free, that and pains.  There are some issues that just don't heal (darn-it) and they could be manifesting in new ways for you.

 

I know that celiacs can get the "white spots" on the brain that is seen in MS. I know brain injuries do not always heal... it could be celiac disease related.

 

Then again, celiac disease is an autoimmune disorder and once you have one, you are more likely to get another so it is possible that something else is going on.  :(

 

I'm sorry that I'm of little help.  I do understand your frustration of not knowing and waiting. I too have other issues that crop up and it's pretty maddening trying to figure out what is being caused by what. I have lingering issues with fatigue and arthritis that tend to drive me a bit batty. I know that after I put the effort into being gluten-free for long, it's frustrating when it only fixes some of the problems.

 

I'm sure others will chime in here...

 

Let us know how it goes, and welcome to the board.  :)

notme Experienced

yes, neuro problems seem to be the last to leave the party.  it's also one of my first symptoms of being glutened:  things get louder, i lose co-ordination, etc..  have you changed something in the past year that could have you getting glutened ?  new job, new sig other, new roommate, etc?  have you been re-tested to see what your antibodies are doing?

ravenwoodglass Mentor

Sorry you are having such a rough time right now. 

I had severe neuro impact before I was diagnosed and it did take a long time to resolve. However those symptoms were present before diagnosis and then slowly resolved with the help of a physical therapist. It concerns me that these issues have appeared for you after you had good resolution of your celiac related symptoms for so long. I am not a medical professional so I can't say one way or the other but in my opinion you are being wise to have these problems throughly checked out with your doctors. Unless you are getting glutened regularly I don't think celiac neuro symptoms would be appearing after you had been gluten free for so long. 

I hope the doctors are able to figure things out for you soon. 

gemerald Newbie

Thanks for the responses.

 

Apparently my lab work and MRI came back clear, so I don't know where to go from here. It feels like celiac all over again - a bunch of non-specific symptoms with no clear diagnosis. It took years for me to get a diagnosis of celiac because every doctor I saw told me it was all in my head. I'm so afraid that it's going to happen again, and I'm going to have to go through this for years, getting worse, with no answers.

 

I haven't made any changes, and I'm very strict with the gluten-free diet, so I know this isn't because of getting glutened. The few times I have been glutened I know about it within an hour.

treesahope Newbie

Thanks for the responses.

 

Apparently my lab work and MRI came back clear, so I don't know where to go from here. It feels like celiac all over again - a bunch of non-specific symptoms with no clear diagnosis. It took years for me to get a diagnosis of celiac because every doctor I saw told me it was all in my head. I'm so afraid that it's going to happen again, and I'm going to have to go through this for years, getting worse, with no answers.

 

I haven't made any changes, and I'm very strict with the gluten-free diet, so I know this isn't because of getting glutened. The few times I have been glutened I know about it within an hour.

I had lactose intolerance early in 1996, and was diagnosed in 2009 Celiac.  Now Gluten free, Diagnosed in 2012 with MS.  With MS, symptoms vary person to person.  I for example had symptoms of MS as early as 2003 yet had a clear brain MRI but no spinal test.  My suggestion is continue as Gluten free as you are, watch this  http://paleozonenutrition.com/2011/12/05/dr-terry-wahls-reverses-her-own-multiple-sclerosis-with-hunter-gatherer-nutrition/.%C2'> Eat healthy.  As healthy as you can.  Dr's are terrific helpers but nutrition is our own way of nurturing ourselves and our bodies.  I was a lucky one, where my symptoms were so severe and gone so long undiagnosed, it was very apparent when testing was done.  I am sorry you had to take so long for your Celiac diagnosis.

cristiana Veteran

I'm just wondering if some of your new symptoms could be down to your developing a new type of migraine. There are so many different types of migraine out there.


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      19

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

    2. - xxnonamexx replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      19

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

    3. - olivia11 replied to olivia11's topic in Gluten-Free Foods, Products, Shopping & Medications
      2

      suggest gluten free food

    4. - knitty kitty replied to Roses8721's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      16

      GI DX celiac despite neg serology and no biopsy

    5. - knitty kitty replied to xxnonamexx's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      19

      My journey is it gluten or fiber?

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      132,756
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    vickie343
    Newest Member
    vickie343
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      Yes, do take your B Complex with Benfotiamine or Thiamax.  Thiamine interacts with each of the other B vitamins in the B Complex to make energy and enzymes, so best to take them together earlier in your day.  Taking them too close to bedtime can keep you too energetic to go to sleep.   The Life Extension Benfotiamine with Thiamine is Benfotiamine and Thiamine Hydrochloride, another form of thiamine the body likes.  The Thiamine HCl just helps the Benfotiamine work better.   Read the label for how many milligrams are in them.  The Mega Benfotiamine is 250 mgs.  Another Benfothiamine has 100 mgs.  You might want to start with the 100 mg.    I like to take Thiamax in the morning with a B Complex at breakfast.  I take the Benfotiamine with another meal.  You can take your multivitamin with Benfotiamine at lunch.   Add a magnesium supplement, too.  Thiamine needs magnesium to make some important enzymes.  Life Extension makes Neuro-Mag, Magnesium Threonate, which is really beneficial.  (Don't take Magnesium Oxide.  It's not absorbed well, instead it pulls water into the digestive tract and is used to relieve constipation.)  I'm not a big fan of multivitamins because they don't always dissolve well in our intestines, and give people a false sense of security.  (There's videos on how to test how well your multivitamin dissolves.).  Multivitamins don't prevent deficiencies and aren't strong enough to correct deficiencies.   I'm happy you are trying Thiamax and Benfotiamine!  Keep us posted on your progress!  I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.  
    • xxnonamexx
      I looked further into Thiamax Vitamin B1 by objective nutrients and read all the great reviews. I think I will give this a try. I noticed only possible side affect is possibly the first week so body adjusts. Life Extensions carries Benfotiamine with Thiamine and the mega one you mentioned. Not sure if both in one is better or seperate. some reviews state a laxative affect as side affect. SHould I take with my super B complex or just these 2 and multivitamin? I will do further research but I appreciate the wonderful explanation you provided on Thiamine.
    • olivia11
      Thanks I am mostly looking for everyday staples and easy meal ideas nothing too specialty if possible.
    • knitty kitty
      There are other Celiac genes. HLA DQ 2 and HLA DQ 8 show up in people from Northern European descent.   People of Mediterranean descent have HLA DQ 7.  People of Asian descent have HLA DQ 9.   There's other Indigenous populations that have other HLA genes that code for Celiac disease.   Are you still having symptoms?   What do you include in your diet?  Are you vegetarian? Are you taking any prescription medication?  Omeprazole?  Metformin?   Do you have anemia?  Thyroid problems? Are you taking any vitamins or herbal supplements?  
    • knitty kitty
      There are eight essential B vitamins.  They are all water soluble.  Any excess of B vitamins is easily excreted by the kidneys.   Thiamine is Vitamin B 1.  Thiamine is safe and nontoxic even in high doses.  Benfotiamine and TTFD are forms of Thiamine that the body can utilize very easily.   The form of Thiamine in the supplements you mentioned is Thiamine Mononitrate, a form that the body does not absorb well and does not utilize well.  Only about thirty percent of the amount on the label is actually absorbed in the small intestine.  Less than that can actually be used by the body.  Manufacturers add thiamine mononitrate to their products because it's cheap and shelf-stable.  Thiamine and other B vitamins break down when exposed to light and heat and over time.  Thiamine Mononitrate is a form that does not break down over time sitting on a shelf waiting for someone to buy them.  What makes Thiamine Mononitrate shelf stable makes it difficult for the body to turn into a useable form.  In fact, it takes more thiamine to turn it into a useable form.   Gastrointestinal Beriberi is a localized shortage of Thiamine in the gastrointestinal tract.  High carbohydrate meals can result in gastrointestinal symptoms of Gastric Beriberi.  Fiber is a type of carbohydrate.  So, high fiber/carbohydrate snacks could trigger Gastric Beriberi.   Since blood tests for Thiamine and other B vitamins are so inaccurate, the World Health Organization recommends trying Thiamine and looking for health improvement because it's safe and nontoxic.  
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.