Jump to content
  • Welcome to Celiac.com!

    You have found your celiac tribe! Join us and ask questions in our forum, share your story, and connect with others.




  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A1):



    Celiac.com Sponsor (A1-M):


  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Our Content
    eNewsletter
    Donate

Deamidated Gliadin Igg Question


appletree729

Recommended Posts

appletree729 Apprentice

My 8 year old daughter's bloodwork indicated a high deamidated gliadin (IgG) result last fall (21 - positive was anything > or = to 20).  Her doctor suggested we retest after several months since the result was only slightly positive - thinking that perhaps it was the beginning of celiac?  Or maybe nothing or something else besides celiac.

 

Anyway - before we test again, I was wondering if anyone might mind catching me up on the latest as far as testing.  My daughter has a very high level of anxiety about needles and I want to make sure we get all of the appropriate tests and won't have to go back!

 

Here is what has been ordered:

 

DGP - IgA & IgG

 

IgA, Quant, Serum

 

T-Transglutaminase IgA

 

Endomysial Ab IgA w/rfx - LC

 

Our doctor is a pediatric GI who specializes in celiac disease, so I'm guessing that's a good selection of tests to order!  I'm still curious though, as to why the positive test earlier wasn't treated with more concern…  I'm also curious to know whether or not there are any additional tests that are recommended.

 

Also - is it still thought that a biopsy is needed for a diagnosis?  Or are there any tests or combination of positive tests that are now considered sufficient to diagnose without a biopsy?

 

thanks so much for any advice!


Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):
Celiac.com Sponsor (A8):



Celiac.com Sponsor (A8-M):



RMJ Mentor

That is a very low positive. With this type of test, the values can vary about 5% if you run the same blood sample several times. It could easily be 19 (negative) or 20 next time.

That does look like a good list of tests to run. The "w/rfx" (with reflex) might mean they will only run it if the Ttg is positive. That is what my doctor's lab does. You might want to check that and ask to have it run no matter what. Or it might mean they will do an EMA titer only if the EMA is positive.

nvsmom Community Regular

Looks good to me too.  You may want to request the tTG IgG (Tissue transglutaminase IgG) if you can.  It's not the best test for celiac disease out there but it can occasionally catch a celiac that the other tests miss.  If you can't get it, you are well covered.

 

My labs also do not run the EMA IgA unless the tTG IgA was positive.  The EMA IgA is very similar to the tTG IgA but it tends to detect more advanced disease. It is pretty unusual for the EMA IgA to be positive when the tTG IgA is not.

 

Most doctors like to use a biopsy still but not all do.  Some doctors will diagnose celiac disease with a single blood test, but most won't.  The DGP IgG and EMA IgA are the most specific celiac disease tests out there.  I think they both are 98-100% specific to celiac disease which means 0-2% of positive results are caused by something other than celiac disease.

 

Your daughter has a positive DGP IgG so I suspect that she has celiac disease, or early celiac disease which may be hard to detect with other tests.  If no other blood tests support that diagnosis, i would suggest having her go gluten-free for at least 6 months and then retest to see if her number comes down.  The DGP tests tend to respond quickly to a change in diet so if it is celiac disease, a period of eating gluten-free for 6 months should make a difference.

 

She could also have the genetic tests done (DQ2 and DQ8).  97% of celiacs have those genes, so it is unlikley that she has celiac disease if both are negative.

 

Dr Fasano, a leading celiac disease researcher suggests that celiacs should have 4 of the following 5 criteria to be diagnosed with celiac disease:

  1. celiac symptoms
  2. positive blood test(s)
  3. positive biopsy
  4. positive genetic tests
  5. positive response to the gluten-free diet

One doesn't need the biopsy for a diagnosis... Some doctors don't require many criteria be met.  I was diagnosed with celiac disease with numbers 1, 2, and 5.

 

Best wishes.

appletree729 Apprentice

Thank you both so very much for your responses!  I really appreciate it - looking forward to hopefully getting some answers.  I'm quite sure she has the gene - she specifically has not been tested, but others in our family have.  I have two copies, my other daughter has two copies, my husband has one copy but celiac runs in his family and although all of his testing came back negative, he was so sick he went gluten free anyway and is doing *much* better.  He is pushing a bit to get the kids gluten free as well, but I really want a diagnosis for them before we go that route.  

 

Anyway - hope everybody has a good day - thanks again for taking the time to respond.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Get Celiac.com Updates:
    Support Celiac.com:
    Join eNewsletter
    Donate

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):
    Celiac.com Sponsor (A17):





    Celiac.com Sponsors (A17-M):




  • Recent Activity

    1. - knitty kitty replied to pothosqueen's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      16

      Positive biopsy

    2. - knitty kitty replied to Jordan Carlson's topic in Post Diagnosis, Recovery & Treatment of Celiac Disease
      1

      Fruits & Veggies

    3. - knitty kitty replied to pothosqueen's topic in Celiac Disease Pre-Diagnosis, Testing & Symptoms
      16

      Positive biopsy

  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A19):
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      133,041
    • Most Online (within 30 mins)
      7,748

    Vfoley422
    Newest Member
    Vfoley422
    Joined
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A20):
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A22):
  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      121.5k
    • Total Posts
      1m
  • Celiac.com Sponsor (A21):
  • Who's Online (See full list)

    • There are no registered users currently online
  • Upcoming Events

  • Posts

    • knitty kitty
      In the study linked above, the little girl switched to a gluten free diet and gained enough weight that that fat pad was replenished and surgery was not needed.   Here's the full article link... Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome in a 6-Year-Old Girl with Final Diagnosis of Celiac Disease https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6476019/
    • knitty kitty
      Hello, @Jordan Carlson, So glad you're feeling better.   Tecta is a proton pump inhibitor.  PPI's also interfere with the production of the intrinsic factor needed to absorb Vitamin B12.  Increasing the amount of B12 you supplement has helped overcome the lack of intrinsic factor needed to absorb B12. Proton pump inhibitors also reduce the production of digestive juices (stomach acids).  This results in foods not being digested thoroughly.  If foods are not digested sufficiently, the vitamins and other nutrients aren't released from the food, and the body cannot absorb them.  This sets up a vicious cycle. Acid reflux and Gerd are actually symptoms of producing too little stomach acid.  Insufficient stomach acid production is seen with Thiamine and Niacin deficiencies.  PPI's like Tecta also block the transporters that pull Thiamine into cells, preventing absorption of thiamine.  Other symptoms of Thiamine deficiency are difficulty swallowing, gagging, problems with food texture, dysphagia. Other symptoms of Thiamine deficiency are symptoms of ADHD and anxiety.  Vyvanse also blocks thiamine transporters contributing further to Thiamine deficiency.  Pristiq has been shown to work better if thiamine is supplemented at the same time because thiamine is needed to make serotonin.  Doctors don't recognize anxiety and depression and adult onset ADHD as early symptoms of Thiamine deficiency. Stomach acid is needed to digest Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) in fruits and vegetables.  Ascorbic acid left undigested can cause intestinal upsets, anxiety, and heart palpitations.   Yes, a child can be born with nutritional deficiencies if the parents were deficient.  Parents who are thiamine deficient have offspring with fewer thiamine transporters on cell surfaces, making thiamine deficiency easier to develop in the children.  A person can struggle along for years with subclinical vitamin deficiencies.  Been here, done this.  Please consider supplementing with Thiamine in the form TTFD (tetrahydrofurfuryl disulfide) which helps immensely with dysphagia and neurological symptoms like anxiety, depression, and ADHD symptoms.  Benfotiamine helps with improving intestinal health.  A B Complex and NeuroMag (a magnesium supplement), and Vitamin D are needed also.
    • knitty kitty
      @pothosqueen, Welcome to the tribe! You'll want to get checked for nutritional deficiencies and start on supplementation of B vitamins, especially Thiamine Vitamin B 1.   There's some scientific evidence that the fat pad that buffers the aorta which disappears in SMA is caused by deficiency in Thiamine.   In Thiamine deficiency, the body burns its stored fat as a source of fuel.  That fat pad between the aorta and digestive system gets used as fuel, too. Ask for an Erythrocyte Transketolace Activity test to look for thiamine deficiency.  Correction of thiamine deficiency can help restore that fat pad.   Best wishes for your recovery!   Interesting Reading: Superior Mesenteric Artery Syndrome in a 6-Year-Old Girl with Final Diagnosis of Celiac Disease https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31089433/#:~:text=Affiliations,tissue and results in SMAS.  
    • trents
      Wow! You're pretty young to have a diagnosis of SMA syndrome. But youth also has its advantages when it comes to healing, without a doubt. You might be surprised to find out how your health improves and how much better you feel once you eliminate gluten from your diet. Celiac disease is an autoimmune disorder that, when gluten is consumed, triggers an attack on the villous lining of the small bowel. This is the section of the intestines where all our nutrition is absorbed. It is made up of billions of tiny finger-like projections that create a tremendous surface area for absorbing nutrients. For the person with celiac disease, unchecked gluten consumption generates inflammation that wears down these fingers and, over time, greatly reduces the nutrient absorbing efficiency of the small bowel lining. This can generate a whole host of other nutrient deficiency related medical problems. We also now know that the autoimmune reaction to gluten is not necessarily limited to the lining of the small bowel such that celiac disease can damage other body systems and organs such as the liver and the joints and cause neurological problems.  It can take around two years for the villous lining to completely heal but most people start feeling better well before then. It's also important to realize that celiac disease can cause intolerance to some other foods whose protein structures are similar to gluten. Chief among them are dairy and oats but also eggs, corn and soy. Just keep that in mind.
    • pothosqueen
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

NOTICE: This site places This site places cookies on your device (Cookie settings). on your device. Continued use is acceptance of our Terms of Use, and Privacy Policy.