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Hi everybody.......well here we go being gross again lol, but I just got another yeast infection and it's my fourth in like the past 6 months! I also just finished a lot of testing and I am starting gluten free again today.........THANK GOD!

Anyway, have any of you had this problem with reaccurent yeast infections? The back of the package said if this happens, you could have diabetes (or HIV, which I've been tested for and don't have).......and I'm wondering if it could be related to this whole gluten intolerence thing.......?

Thanks! :)

-Danielle

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I also want to add that I am having really bad back pains that come and go and I'm also having some abdominal pains........could that be part of a yeast infection or something more? :unsure:

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I also want to add that I am having really bad back pains that come and go and I'm also having some abdominal pains........could that be part of a yeast infection or something more?  :unsure:

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Yes, I think so. I've experienced all sorts of body aches, and they even seem to travel around. One week it's here, the next it's shifted to there... after a few months it's traveled half way down my body...I do think it's part of the whole gluten thing, since the gut has taken quite a beating. You already have my input on the yeast thread, so I won't go into all that stuff here.

I hope you get to the bottom of your problems soon. It can really take awhile to recover even after you pinpoint things.

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Yes I had this experience too> I can't stress it enough, watch what you eat and use a quality probiotic, daily. Once you are gluten-free for awhile... and are eating and drinking right you should begin to get better. But I found that the probiotic, acidophilus is very, important especially for women.

GOOD LUCK!

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With that frequency, I would encourage you to find out the answers to the following questions:

* Are there other medications you're taking that predispose you to yeast infections? (Antibiotics and corticosteroids being two common ones.)

* Are you actually clearing the yeast infection with the treatments you're using?

* Do you have a strain of yeast that is treatable by the common treatments or do you need something more specific?

* Is it actually a yeast infection - has yeast been identified, under the microscope?

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I had yeastie-beastie issues until my Nurse Practioner prescribed me three concurrent doses of Diflucan. I took one dose, waited three days, took the second dose, waited three days... took the third dose. Killed that beast dead. :D I got another YF three years later and took two doses in a row. None since. Also, never, ever wear pants twice. Seriously. Never. If you're prone to the yeast-beast...never wear your pants twice. Not even for a few minutes. Just go necked, if you must. :blink:

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Tiffany had some good questions for you... If it is a yeast infection...I recommend acidophilus. I had a bout of reoccurent infections a while back, and had a heck of time getting rid of them. Acidophilus was a huge help and if I am ever on an antibiotic, am getting sick or feel like I am getting a yeast infection, I start taking it again....it helps replace good bacteria that help control yeast. Make sure you get one that is gluten-free and has lactob. in it.

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I am guessing that you have not had four yeast infections but one infection that has shown itself four different times. I recommend you try a product called ThreeLac (I first learned about it on this site). You can learn about it at candidafree.oom. The people that run the site are SO HELPFUL. They have both had serious yeast infections and tell their story on the website. They also email you back almost immediately (they are committed to email you within24 hours and they always have!). Diflucan can help but it often is only a temporary solution. ThreeLac is touted as a permanent solution. Anyway, look at the website and decide for yourself.

fritzicurls

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Nystatin is an antifungal than can be used long term, no liver damage, inexpensive.

Yeasties produce mycotoxins that give you some of those symptoms, headache, body pains, joint inflammation, etc. When you take an antifungal, the big die-off makes those symptoms worse. Sometimes 1/2 to 1 teaspone baking soda in water can help, but I like to stick it out as long as I can.

One thing that helps me fast is powdered probiotics or a capsule opened into warm water for a d%$#@#$. I don't think it's healthy to d%$#@#$ constantly, but it's good emergency relief for me.

I had massive yeast colonies in my gut diagnosed with lab tests, but when it's in one place, it's also in the other. Antifungals, probiotics, gluten free, and sugar free are the way to go for the gut.

Yeast can be passed between partners, even if one doesn't have symptoms. I dose my husband with herbal antifungals (olive leave extract, grapefruit seed extract, etc.) and probiotics when I flare up. And it's good to rotate those antifungals. The monsters can get used to it, I think. ;)

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While I don't suffer from celiac disease, I had this problem after my first daughter was born.

Definately go to the dr- your 'girlie' dr, not primary care. And tell them Monistat isn't working. Ask for Diflucan! You can't go wrong, it's amazing.

Ditto on the pants thing. My dr even told me not to wear any panties that weren't 100% cotton- all the time. Occasionally, if the need calls for something sexier (catch the hint?? :) ) you can wear whatever, just get clean and then back into cotton panties. She also told me to switch to a bar soap, if only for 'that region' and to cleanse well daily.

Whole foods and places like that carry Acidolphilus (I had the best luck with the refrigerated ones) and the chewables taste great!!

Good luck

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I have had recurrent yeast infections for 16 months straight - every single month :( I am profoundly saddened by this but don't know what to do anymore. I've done everything - every natural treatment (boric acid, probiotics, tea tree oil, grapefruit seed extract, anti-yeast combos, etc.) and a number of prescription methods too. Once I did Diflucan every third day for 6 weeks, and then every single day for 11 days then another on the 13th day. My (newest) doctor is now trying Lamisil because it's an anti-fungal that isn't completely absorbed and so a part of it goes through the intestines. But, after 3 weeks on that I've seen no change. Then he prescribed a gentamycin (an antibiotic) that I shoot into my mouth rather than inject (as was once done before horrible side effects showed up in a lot of people: "This medication may cause deafness. Deafness may not occur until after the medication is stopped :blink: ) - anyway, I'm doing that now - with Lamisil - AND I just finished (this morning) a potent course of prescription anti-parasite drugs (Tinidazole & Mebendazole). But - nothing is working :(

He put me on a diet of: poultry, fish, nuts, vegetables & fruits - nothing else. No grains, artificial sweetners, sugar, etc. Plus, I'm taking a ton of supplements. I've been on this diet since Oct. 18th (and the first few weeks I wasn't allowed fruit). I've questioned him on the fruit but he says it's fine - and when I searched peer reviewed nutritional articles, I found nothing associating fruit & candida. In fact, I even found one that showed that *sugar* had a negligible effect on intestinal candida. (The sample size was small though & on the research was on animals but..?)

So... *sigh* :(

I so often wish I could just get a hysterectomy or something to just take all of these infected organs out. Anyone know of a yeast-ectomy doctor?

Good luck with yours! And if anyone knows of anything that DOES work on *serious* yeast infections, please let me know :(

- Michelle

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...if anyone knows of anything that DOES work on *serious* yeast infections, please let me know :(

Since you didn't mention ThreeLac, I'd point that out as was noted earlier in the thread. I've no personal experience with it, but there are others who seem to have had success using it. I only used Caprylic acid, which seemed to do the job quite well, especially considering I had been unknowingly drowning in yeast for years. And yes, no sugars of any kind, even fruits. I can tolerate some fruits on occation, but I have to be careful. However, since going gluten-free, that seems to be getting better as my gut heals.

Thank goodness for this site :)

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Since you didn't mention ThreeLac, I'd point that out as was noted earlier in the thread. I've no personal experience with it, but there are others who seem to have had success using it. I only used Caprylic acid, which seemed to do the job quite well, especially considering I had been unknowingly drowning in yeast for years. And yes, no sugars of any kind, even fruits. I can tolerate some fruits on occation, but I have to be careful. However, since going gluten-free, that seems to be getting better as my gut heals.

Thank goodness for this site :)

Funny this subject just came up. I don't have yeast infections, but I have been dealing with cronic sinus problems for years. Recently my ENT doc said the dreaded work "perhaps you will need a porcedure.." I decided to start doing some of my own research to see if I could find a natural cure. Yesterday, after many hours on the internet I found "Candida" and how many links it has with celiac disease. I ordered the Threelac and am going to give that a try. I will let you all know if it helps at all.

Denice

and, yes, I love this site too!

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I have had recurrent yeast infections for 16 months straight - every single month :( I am profoundly saddened by this but don't know what to do anymore.

Bean,

Sorry you are having to deal with that. :(

Did you ever try Nystatin oral powder? It tastes really bad (like cardboard) but for me I think it works better than Diflucin.

I actually havent had a single "girlie" yeast infection the whole time I've been sick but I have a mess of other symptoms and my tongue is white near the back. It *seems* like I have intestinal candida overgrowth but my stool test was normal so I'm not too sure.

I was on a serious candida diet for 4 months and did alot of research. Everything I had read said NO fruits...except maybe granny smith apples. Some books say fruits can be added after a few weeks but its based on improvement of symptoms. I think if your case is severe maybe fruits should be left out awhile longer??

Do you feel worse when you start taking the antifungals (die-off)? I get worse when I go back on the Nystatin after stopping it for awhile....this is why I think I have candida. I need to find a good doctor too. :(

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I have had recurrent yeast infections for 16 months straight - every single month :( I am profoundly saddened by this but don't know what to do anymore. I've done everything - every natural treatment (boric acid, probiotics, tea tree oil, grapefruit seed extract, anti-yeast combos, etc.) and a number of prescription methods too. Once I did Diflucan every third day for 6 weeks, and then every single day for 11 days then another on the 13th day. My (newest) doctor is now trying Lamisil because it's an anti-fungal that isn't completely absorbed and so a part of it goes through the intestines.

Have you had the yeast cultured? There are a few strains that are resistant to most of the common antifungals, and require alternative treatment. Also, have you tried gentian violet? (Old, well respected remedy that went out of favor with the development of oral/topical antifungals - particularly since it can stain anything it touches quite purple.)

If the yeast hasn't been cultured recently, are you sure it's actually yeast? There are conditions that can mimic a yeast infection, but yeast medications won't do a darn thing for them.

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I have not tried gentian violet or three-lac. So, I guess I haven't tried *everything* - It just seems that way!

Tiffany - no, I haven't had it cultured recently - but I'm sure it's yeast. (This is gross but) There's a certain smell to yeast and I know it's still that.

I have another appointment with my doctor on Thursday so I will see if he has any *other* suggestions & ask him about these.

I forgot to add that he also has me "painting" myself internally with iodine swabs and then sticking in an acidophilus capsule. It's great fun. I never expected to have such enjoyable experiences in my lifetime :rolleyes:

Anyway - I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks for the suggestions.

- Michelle

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I have not tried gentian violet or three-lac. So, I guess I haven't tried *everything* - It just seems that way!

Tiffany - no, I haven't had it cultured recently - but I'm sure it's yeast. (This is gross but) There's a certain smell to yeast and I know it's still that.

I have another appointment with my doctor on Thursday so I will see if he has any *other* suggestions & ask him about these.

I forgot to add that he also has me "painting" myself internally with iodine swabs and then sticking in an acidophilus capsule. It's great fun. I never expected to have such enjoyable experiences in my lifetime :rolleyes:

Anyway - I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks for the suggestions.

- Michelle

Do get it cultured. Not only are there things that really do seem like yeast that aren't (or rather, there may be yeast, but it's not the primary problem) (I've dealt with this before, I know what you mean about the smell and whatnot), but if it's one of the more difficult to treat strains, you absolutely have to find out which one it is.

(I have vulvar vestibulitis, and it's often mistaken for yeast infections. I'm not suggesting that's what you have (it's possible, but I wouldn't say the most likely answer), but it led me to learning more than I wanted to know about identifying and treating yeast infections... primarily because of lot of people with this have gone down the "I've been treating yeast for 2 years, and nothing's working" route when it wasn't yeast for them.)

Good luck. (BTW, did you try garlic? the "cut a clove open, wrap in guaze, use as a suppository" thing?)

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BTW, did you try garlic?

That reminds me. I found eating garlic to be good for combatting yeast, and for colds/flu too. It works much better when it's raw and fresh. Avoid buying bulbs that are too large. I'd toast some bread until dry/crispy, mash up the garlic with olive oil or margarine, and spread generously on the bread. The crispy bread can feel scratchy going down, which is on purpose to enhance the effectiveness, especially if you have a cold/flu/sore throat. Stings like mad sometimes but it really can help.

I don't know if the above can help our poor friend bean though.

Here's some signs of yeast infection I've learned of:

If garlic stings/burns near the back of the tongue and/or going down your throat

If slicing an onion makes your eyes water a lot

If the smell of chlorine bleach gives you an ill feeling/upset stomach/sinus reaction

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Do get it cultured. Not only are there things that really do seem like yeast that aren't (or rather, there may be yeast, but it's not the primary problem) (I've dealt with this before, I know what you mean about the smell and whatnot), but if it's one of the more difficult to treat strains, you absolutely have to find out which one it is.

(I have vulvar vestibulitis, and it's often mistaken for yeast infections. I'm not suggesting that's what you have (it's possible, but I wouldn't say the most likely answer), but it led me to learning more than I wanted to know about identifying and treating yeast infections... primarily because of lot of people with this have gone down the "I've been treating yeast for 2 years, and nothing's working" route when it wasn't yeast for them.)

Good luck. (BTW, did you try garlic? the "cut a clove open, wrap in guaze, use as a suppository" thing?)

The only thing about getting it cultured is that I don't know what else they could try..?

One doctor did suggest (in April) that I have "vaginal eczema" - but I don't know that I believe this because A- I don't have eczema anywhere else on my body, and B- why would it suddenly show up *just in my vagina* when I'm 32 years old? I mean... what the hell?? Regardless, his belief was that I should use steroidal suppositories - for the rest of my life, I suppose. This does *not* seem like a good idea to me. Not only that - but it didn't work :(

That's what led me to find out all of my food allergies in the first place (since eczema is commonly associated with a food allergy). But - after cutting everything I'm allergic to - no dice.

So... damn it, I'll probably have to give up fruits. Which would be fine if there was really anything else in my diet I could enjoy - but since I have celiac disease, am allergic to dairy, beef, sesame, eggs, and have been told not to eat pork, grains of any sort, artificial sweetners, and some other things I'll probably think of as soon as I end this post... Well, it's pretty limited. And not in a happy "oh this is so focused & simple" sort of way - more of an "I'd rather die than eat another vegetable or chicken" sort of way.

I can't help but feel terribly hopeless & sad at this point. Fruit is the only thing left that I truly enjoy. Nuts are good - but if I ate nuts all day my caloric intake would vastly overdo the caloric output. Plus, I'd end up with a seriously broken out face (don't ask how I know this ;)).

I would really, really, really love to be intimate with my boyfriend but yeast infections don't exactly attract men. (Repulse maybe - attract, no.) He has been incredibly supportive but still...

I've taken tons of garlic, and recently read that it can actually be *bad* for yeast infections because it may kill the good bacteria along with the bad. But, it doesn't really matter for me since I've already tried it.

So... anyway... that's where I am now.

- Michelle

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So... damn it, I'll probably have to give up fruits. Which would be fine if there was really anything else in my diet I could enjoy - but since I have celiac disease, am allergic to dairy, beef, sesame, eggs, and have been told not to eat pork, grains of any sort, artificial sweetners, and some other things I'll probably think of as soon as I end this post... Well, it's pretty limited. And not in a happy "oh this is so focused & simple" sort of way - more of an "I'd rather die than eat another vegetable or chicken" sort of way.

I do know the feeling, as I'm sure others do. I'm just now trying a few new kinds of things, after years of the same food every day. If I can actually find enough meals without rice for more than one day it will be a miracle. Between Celiac and yeast/sugar, etc, I haven't had much to choose from until just recently. I could only have one piece of fruit in any given week. That now seems to be getting better, so I'm looking forward to having stuff that would be sweetened with fresh fruit now and then. However, I am still getting reactions from something, and I think it's either soy, casein, or both. I haven't eaten any meat whatsoever in years. No dairy, no eggs, nothing with any refined sugars. Nothing with ANY form of yeast, including dried/hydrolized/extracts/etc. That alone rules out sooo many products I quit trying to find safe stuff and just make my own everything.

Having found this site, and subsequently reading about other flours and such, I've got hopes of something resembling a pizza someday. Though if I can't eat cheese, well, then I guess spinach pizza will have to do. Thank goodness for Tinkyada, but it's still rice, and expensive enough to make it only a special treat for me.

Unfortunately, I didn't know about the gluten intolerance until about a year ago, so I have years of damage to recover from. Having always been ill as long as I can remember, I'm being very cautious now.

So, hopefully this helps you feel better in some small way. At least take comfort in knowing you're not alone when it comes to a limited diet.

I don't have anything else to suggest for you, except to avoid all fruits if you haven't already done that while employing other obvious measures. Just remember the restrictions are not perminent. The more you can do to help the recovery, the more quickly you can start enjoying variety again.

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I've been thinking about the fruit thing..

My doctor allows "grains" at the very last stage of his nutritional plan. Sugar is never included, but I'm okay with that. (He teaches nutrition at the U of U Med School, so hopefully he knows what the hell he's talking about ;))

When I asked him about fruits *last* time I saw him, he said not to worry about them because the sugar in fruits wont hurt me (whole fruits, not fructose).

Recently I've been doing some research on fruit & glycemic index and came across this:

TABLE 2 Glycemic indexes and glycemic loads of various food groups

Glycemic index Glycemic load

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Grain products

Rice Krispies cereal 82 72

Cornflakes 81 70.1

Rice cakes 78 63.6

Shredded wheat cereal 75 62.0

Graham wafers 74 56.8

Cheerios cereal 74 54.2

Rye crisp bread 64 52.6

Vanilla wafers 77 49.7

Stoned Wheat thins 67 41.9

Corn chips 63 39.9

Muesli bar 61 39.3

Bagel 72 38.4

Doughnuts 76 37.8

White bread 70 34.7

Whole-wheat bread 71 32.7

All-bran cereal 42 32.5

Sugar, sweets

Jelly beans 78 72.6

Lifesavers 70 67.9

Table sugar (sucrose) 65 64.9

Mars bar 65 40.4

Vegetables

Baked potato 85 21.4

Sweet potato 61 14.8

Yam 37 8.4

Rutabaga 72 6.3

Beets 64 6.3

Carrots 47 4.7

Fruit

Banana 52 11.9

Grapes 46 8.2

Kiwi fruit 53 7.5

Pineapple 59 7.3

Apple 38 5.8

Pear 38 5.7

Watermelon 72 5.2

Orange 42 5.0

Notice how even the lowest of the grains (all bran cereal) has a glycemic load of 20+ points above the highest fruit (banana). Perhaps this has an effect..?

Anyone know how glycemic load relates to Candida?

Thoughts are always appreciated :)

- Michelle :wub:

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Hmmm. lots of good info here... relating to yeast in bowel, good to have tested - I not only had yeast, but staph! So hard to medicate until MD knows exactly what is in there...

My MD relates high glycemic index to yeast - I can have raspberries, green apples & grapefruit, but only after a year of rotation & no gluten. I'm okay with stevia, and the Sweet Leaf one with filler is a good filler that feeds good flora only, as I understand it.

Re beef, can't do grocery store beef, but grass fed, no antibiotics, no growth hormones from health food store is ok for me. Maybe it's the grain they eat that makes us sensitive. There's an internet supplier grassfedbeef or something like that, the Slanker family, that is good. And bison seems fine once I got over the mental block.

I'm ok with quinoa as an option instead of rice. Good with a little garlic powder & onion powder (mcCormick's) Doc was worried about developing rice allergy if that's all I was getting (rice milk, rice protein powder, rice, rice, rice) grin And a dash of wild rice helps for variety.

Just a few dribbles! I'm learning, too!

Kathy

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I've been thinking about the fruit thing..

.............

Recently I've been doing some research on fruit & glycemic index and came across this:

............

Anyone know how glycemic load relates to Candida?

Thoughts are always appreciated :)

- Michelle :wub:

well you did say thoughts are appreciated so some of mine are that i got rid of candida (difficult) despite continuing to eat fruit and carbs - posted how on the night sweats/sleep issues thread.

i believe the key to eating fruit without feeding the candida is to digest the fruit well before the candida/yeast can get at it. This is part of the food combining method. I'm feeling lazy so just going to paste some email correspondence i've recently had which touches on the subject but plenty of info out there so can stick "food combing" into the search engine and get back more in depth info.

as a summary eat the juicy fruits on an empty stomach, don't mix with other food and never eat fruit after a meal. correspondence below

cheers,

Mr J

=========================================================

hello Ms S, i had my food combing running quite

nicely with no effort, its when i added Gluten-free Casein-free plus food

rotating that it got horribly complicated.

i'll give you more info when i get the time, but for

now I will add something about fruit:

1. sour fruits eg. kiwi, strawberries, oranges - eat

only on empty stomach - will be able to eat a proper

meal 1/2 hr after ingesting these - on empty stomach

they pass quickly into small intestine and won't

interfere with meal.

2. sweet fruits eg. banana, durian, sweet apples can

be eaten with starch eg. banana sandwich.

3. Fat and starch go ok. so if you spread a bit of

marge on your banana sandwich thats ok. a little bit

of peanut butter wouldn't hurt either (got a bit of

protein but not much).

cheers,

Mr J

--- Ms S wrote:

> ..that is interesting about veggies and fruits, he

> didnt go into that, it sounds complex

> you must go to sleep dreaming about yr food plan the

> nextday..

> so tell me how you deal with it all

> Ms S

>

> Mr J wrote:

> hello Ms S, the separation of protein from carbs

> is

> called the food combining diet, I posted on the

> zyme/autism board on this round about when i posted

> on

> sticky rice. I've been using it for years out of

> necessity. As the pharmacist prolly told you its a

> bit

> more complicated than veggies with anything - some

> are

> hi in carbs. Plus fruit can be categorised into

> acid/sweet and require different treatment.

>

> coincidentally my last mail to you on the way i

> ingested vinegar is based on food combining reasons.

> To take it after a meal or with a meal would be bad

> for digestion which can be bad for things like

> candida/yeast is my belief.

>

> cheers,

>

> Mr J

>

> --- Ms S wrote:

>

.........He gave me enzymes

> > and a probiotic, and a diet based on my body type

> > which is basically not mixing carbs and protein

> > together. I have to eat either carbs and veg, or

> > protein and veg. that I shd start the day with a

> > protein breakfast.........

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Thanks Mike! I appreciate your encouragement & the food combining notes you offered :)

I have been trying to eat fruits alone, but haven't been too diligent :rolleyes: Thanks for noting that it's important to not eat them after a meal. They have been my dessert more than once ;)

How long do I need to wait after eating other foods? :unsure: Hmm... I'll have to track down your other posts!

Thanks again :)

- Michelle :wub:

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